Interesting read about upcoming K9 processors

"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
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Bill Todd wrote:
"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
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I thought the point was getting a working 64-bit Microsoft system? That
would mean not just the OS, but also the apps and drivers. If it's just
the
OS, then Microsoft is already done, the OS is already ready for Opteron.
But
Microsoft has said that the only thing holding them back from releasing
the
OS is the drivers, and a few apps which might do things and get away with
in
the 32-bit OS which they won't be allowed to get away with in 64-bit.

Doesn't Advanced Server 2003 do 64-bit? As in Itanium?

"Judd" wrote in message
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Doesn't Advanced Server 2003 do 64-bit? As in Itanium?


Of course. But, it isn't a 'desktop OS' and many people don't count
anything Itanium as being real... that gives it two strikes. Since it
doesn't run on Opteron, that makes three. ;-).

Regards,
Dean

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Bill Todd wrote:
IMHO, 64-bits is much harder considering the Win32 API.

Considering that they had a beta 64-bit version out in the field on
Alpha 5 years ago, I'd suspect that they had that pretty well under
control by now.

They may have had an OS in 64-bit for Alpha 5 years ago, but did
they have any applications or drivers?

Who cares (at least in the current discussion context)? The point
was that they had the API worked out sufficiently back in 1999 to
give it to outside developers.

I thought the point was getting a working 64-bit Microsoft system?

Then you failed to pay attention to the context you were responding to.

- bill

Ed wrote:
Hey, is Windows "Longhorn" gonna be for x86-64 CPU?
Ed

Current rumours are that, that's all it's going to be for. You won't be able
to run it on anything less than a 64-bit machine.

Yousuf Khan

Judd wrote:
Doesn't Advanced Server 2003 do 64-bit? As in Itanium?

The number of apps and the number of drivers supported on Opteron is
supposed to be much higher than on Itanium.

Yousuf Khan

"Bill Todd" writes:
Since Windows XP code is largely Win2K code underneath, and since 64-bit
Win2K was developed on Alpha, a large percentage of the 64-bit code in
current 64-bit Windows products almost certainly originated with the 64-bit
Alpha version.

One would in fact presume that the 32 and 64-bit code bases are now
essentially identical.

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David Gay

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"Bill Todd" writes:
Since Windows XP code is largely Win2K code underneath, and since 64-bit
Win2K was developed on Alpha, a large percentage of the 64-bit code in
current 64-bit Windows products almost certainly originated with the
64-bit
Alpha version.

One would in fact presume that the 32 and 64-bit code bases are now
essentially identical.

IIRC that was significantly the case (and definitely the goal) back in 1999.
Yet another reason to doubt that very much code was changed in the
transition to Itanic.

- bill

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:32:22 -0600, Judd wrote:

Doesn't Advanced Server 2003 do 64-bit? As in Itanium?

There's also an IA64 version of XP Pro.

Cheers
Anton

"George Macdonald" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:14:25 +0100, Rupert Pigott
wrote:

George Macdonald wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:19:18 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"
wrote:

[SNIP]


True but those people are among the most arrogant on the planet. They
think they can get away with it and maybe they can. There are signs that
AMD64 supply is tightening up and prices are staying relatively high.
It's
probable that the bottom line is that M$ figures AMD64 volume can never
reach what they call "volume".


Interesting, because I was just reading an article from yesterday saying AMD
just dropped the price of the A64 by up to 30% (depending on the model).

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/26/amd_prices/

"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
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Judd wrote:
Doesn't Advanced Server 2003 do 64-bit? As in Itanium?

The number of apps and the number of drivers supported on Opteron is
supposed to be much higher than on Itanium.


Huh? If Windows Server 2003 is running and selling for Itanium, then it
probably has the drivers for the architecture and applications as well. If
you mean 3rd party, then that's a different issue altogether but I'm sure
3rd party high end server vendors do have the drivers. Intel site has a
long list of apps that run on Itanium. Itanium also runs 32-bit software,
but only like a mid level P4.