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Questions about memory and a few other things for the AMD/Asus system I am building (long)
HI I am going to be putting together a system with the following:
AthlonXP 3200+ 400FSB 512K Barton Asus A7N8X-DX v.2 nForce2 the main problem I need help with is memory, some things that come to mind (err...umm no pun intended): 1) do I have to worry about the CAS latencey? I know latency is a delay of sorts but what I dont know is what the different numbers mean ie 3-4-4-8, 2-3-2-6-T1, etc. 2) What is a good brand? I am currently looking at these: http://www.corsairmicro.com/xms/xms_modules.html 2a) on that site I see two that appear to be what i need, either the TWINX512-3200C2 or the TWINX512-3200LL both have similar CAS Latency except for one number 2-3-3-6-T1 vs. 2-3-2-6-T1 what is the difference betwen the C2 and LL? And what is the difference in the 1 number off on the CAS? 2b) their datasheet pdfs have the following TWINX512-3200LL Tested at ultra-low latency settings (2-3-2-6), command rate of 1T TWINX512-3200C2 Tested at ultra-low latency settings 2-3-3 latency settings, two modules installed 2.5-3-3 latency settings, four modules installed I was hopeing to get 3 (1 & a half gig) do I have to just get a 1 matched pair (1 gig)? The MB only has 3 memory slots. If I can put 3 in do I have to somehow match the 3rd one or are they just using matched meaning two c2 versions as opposed to one c2 and one LL. I am currently assuming matched means that even though the have a rated speed, CAS, etc there is some variance (tolerance) and the two matched ones are very close. 2c) there are modules that are higher speed then the FSB of 400 specifically 467 and 500MHz can I use them? Will they be faster? Was I wrong in assuming the 400MHz memory was matched to the FSB speed of the cpu? 3) should I get heat sinks for the memory or are they only necessary for overclocking 4) Can I use watercooling instead of just a heatsink/fan for an AthlonXP 3200? I plan to do some sound recording and want the pc to be as silent as can be. Or is thIs again something that is only necessary for overclocking? Basically I am trying to get the most powerful system I can since I want to do music and video editing. That is why I want more then a gig system memory so the editing is smooth and not choppy. I don't mean ripping cd/dvd and burning I mean actually making and editing songs (Acid, Cakewalk) and video (Adobe Premere/photoshop). which brings us to some less important questions (Sarcasmbut feel free to answer them/Sarcasm). Video Captu 1) Has anyone had any experence with video capture cards that they can share with me? I figure anything I shoot with a dv cam will come in over firewire or usb but I also have some old video tapes I wanna record and It would be cool to record shows off of cable digitally instead of to a vcr but of course the main concern is editing my own stuff so that performance cannot be sacraficed to use the computer as a vcr. (not that I think a video capture card would impead the system that much but I haven't used one so I just though I would mention it.) Case/PS: 1) as for the case and power supply. Is there anything specific I should look out for? I don't need any of them windows/neon bulb dealies since the computer will be under the desk no one is going to see it. 2) Do I need one that is like 400 Watt or what (again no pun hehe)? Built in graphics vs a card: 1) will the built in graphics of the Asus A7N8X-DX v.2 nForce2 be sufficient for high end games (artists need to play too)? I would like to run the games at like 1024x768 if possible. Will I need perhaps a GForce with alot of memory? How does the nForce compare with a GForce (I have a GForce2 GTS in this system). btw I know they are both by nvida I am wondering the difference in performance. I am assuming the nForce is somewhat scalled down to be just a bit above average. 2) If I do get a GForce (or other brand) can I use the built in one to 1 monitor and the card to another? My current MB does not allow this and I am assuming it is one or the other in this case too. 3) I have seen that there is a cable to run from a gforce cards lcd port (DVI to VGA cable) to a second monitor will that work for the on board one as well? (I'm assuming no.) As far as price I'm not too worried as long as it is for good parts however I don't wanna just drop $$s for the sake of having the best of the best. As for putting it togter I have newer totally made a new system from new parts but I have canabalized old systems and made new ones from them, however we are talking back when 486 was top of the line. I have done all upgrades (Harddrives, more memory, cdr, dvdr, sound/video cards etc) on my current system i-P3 750Mhz myself. I feel more then confident that I can pull it off. And on that note I just wanna say upgrading was so much easier back with the C64 throw it out and get a 128...ok I'm a bit old. Thanks in advance Jim remove -worstispever for my email if you need it for some reason. |
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Built in graphics vs a card: Ok it seams the Asus A7N8X-DX v.2 nForce2 does not have built in video even though their website seams to talk about video. So ignore that whole topic since I was planning on getting a card anyway as was probably obvious from my original post. But instead lets add this question (it never ends). Can I run a normal ata ide harddrive as a main dive with the OS etc and still also at the same time have a Sata Raid for the video data drive? Jim |
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Jim wrote:
HI I am going to be putting together a system with the following: AthlonXP 3200+ 400FSB 512K Barton Why? These are still stupid expencive and a P4 3.0/800 is faster and cheaper.. Combine it with an ASUS P4P800 and you'll be way better off. Basically I am trying to get the most powerful system I can since I want to do music and video editing. That is why I want more then a gig system memory so the editing is smooth and not choppy. I don't mean ripping cd/dvd and burning I mean actually making and editing songs (Acid, Cakewalk) and video (Adobe Premere/photoshop). If you're going to use premier for video editing DON'T use an AMD over a P4. These apps use SSE2 code (which AMD doesn't) and this makes the P4 MUCH faster in this app. I've tested both platforms and for video editing a P4 is almost twice as fast in use i.e. render times for effects etc not just mpeg encoding benchmarks on the web.. Another thing you'll want is 2 hard drives or at least a 7200RPM 8 meg cache drive. You don't need to set it up as a raid but use one for the OS and the other for storage/capture. If you don't believe me, go ask this question in the video newsgroups like rec.video.______ . Maybe when the AMD64 comes out with SSE2 support (and 64 bit version of premier) this will change but for now a P4 is what you want for editing video. Video Captu 1) Has anyone had any experence with video capture cards that they can share with me? I figure anything I shoot with a dv cam will come in over firewire or usb but I also have some old video tapes I wanna record You don't move DV via USB, it's done with firewire. The USB link is for stills or LOW quality video. Most cameras have a "pass through" which converts analog to DV. Read the manual and you may not need anything to do what you're talking about. On my camera you turn it on with no tape in it, conect the analog to the input jack and turn on "DV out" in a menu. If you haven't bought a camera yet make sure it will do this. Built in graphics vs a card: 1) will the built in graphics of the Asus A7N8X-DX v.2 nForce2 be sufficient for high end games (artists need to play too)? No and will use main memory as well. ATI is the best card right now. 2) If I do get a GForce (or other brand) can I use the built in one to 1 monitor and the card to another? Not ussually. Almost any good card now supports dual monitors (which you will =NEED= for video editing) so that isn't an issue. As far as price I'm not too worried as long as it is for good parts however I don't wanna just drop $$s for the sake of having the best of the best. Then don't go with an AMD for this use. I might sound like a Intel zealot but I got accused of being an AMD salesman yesterday for sugesting someone NOT use a P4 but buy AMD's for their office computers. Even for a gaming system AMD's work fine (but those XP3200 are still too expencive for their performance) but for video editing they are the wrong choice. -- Stacey |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:28:31 -0400, Stacey wrote:
Jim wrote: HI I am going to be putting together a system with the following: AthlonXP 3200+ 400FSB 512K Barton Why? These are still stupid expencive and a P4 3.0/800 is faster and cheaper.. Combine it with an ASUS P4P800 and you'll be way better off. SNIP Then don't go with an AMD for this use. I might sound like a Intel zealot but I got accused of being an AMD salesman yesterday for sugesting someone NOT use a P4 but buy AMD's for their office computers. Even for a gaming system AMD's work fine (but those XP3200 are still too expencive for their performance) but for video editing they are the wrong choice. -- Stacey I'm called AMD "fanatic" by at least one person, I freely admit to being biased, and I still agree with everything Stacey said. I have just a couple more comments. You might be interested in moving down to P4 2.8GHz@800 for even cheaper cpu. (I was a bit unsure about ASUS P4P800 as a stable board, but I should think Stacey knows this much better than me.) And 'financing' an expensive CPU with savings on the videocard, as you were looking to do, is not generally a good idea, for a non-server type of machine. ancra |
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