need 3 drive ribbon cable

On Sun, 9 May 2004 06:24:54 -0400, "HH" wrote:

Uh, an IDE card will not allow 3 drives on a cable any more than your
onboard IDE controller will, so in actuality, it is not an answer either.
Also, many PCs and their OSs react strangely to any more than 4 IDE devices
total.

Not quite. With a second IDE card, you could add 4 more devices.
I've done this before with Win 3.1 and a pile of 120MB hard drives.
As long as the correct drivers are used, no odd behavior should
happen. It's not common though as for most people, 2 ports and 4
drives are usually enough.

The only possible issues with multiple IDE cards is the boot order.
Onboard IDE generally have boot drives only but if there's no onboard
IDE or if it's been disabled and you have 2 or more IDE cards,
figuring which card get sthe boot priority would require a bit of
trial and error.

Dale was politely making a good point.

Yes he was. There is simply no way to get 3 or more IDE devices on
the same IDE port. The OP was being a jerk for insisting the
impossible was possible without closely checking for what it really
was. (SCSI? Or 2 separate cables held together so it appears as one
cable?)
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Uh, I was referring to non-ancient OSs. I've seen the squirrelly behavior
with more than 4 IDE devices in Win 95, 98, Me and even 2000 and XP. Raid
controllers are another matter. A standard dual channel IDe controller and a
raid controller often can co-exist peacefully.
HH

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 06:24:54 -0400, "HH" wrote:

Uh, an IDE card will not allow 3 drives on a cable any more than your
onboard IDE controller will, so in actuality, it is not an answer either.
Also, many PCs and their OSs react strangely to any more than 4 IDE
devices
total.

Not quite. With a second IDE card, you could add 4 more devices.
I've done this before with Win 3.1 and a pile of 120MB hard drives.
As long as the correct drivers are used, no odd behavior should
happen. It's not common though as for most people, 2 ports and 4
drives are usually enough.

The only possible issues with multiple IDE cards is the boot order.
Onboard IDE generally have boot drives only but if there's no onboard
IDE or if it's been disabled and you have 2 or more IDE cards,
figuring which card get sthe boot priority would require a bit of
trial and error.

Dale was politely making a good point.

Yes he was. There is simply no way to get 3 or more IDE devices on
the same IDE port. The OP was being a jerk for insisting the
impossible was possible without closely checking for what it really
was. (SCSI? Or 2 separate cables held together so it appears as one
cable?)
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 06:13:36 -0400, "HH" wrote:

Uh, I was referring to non-ancient OSs. I've seen the squirrelly behavior
with more than 4 IDE devices in Win 95, 98, Me and even 2000 and XP. Raid
controllers are another matter. A standard dual channel IDe controller and a
raid controller often can co-exist peacefully.

Funny I don't have any problem with my current system: onboard IDE
with 80GB primary, 60GB slave (boot drive), DVD-ROM and DVD burner and
I have a plain vanilla ATA133 card added with 3x 200GB hard drives.
The only odd problem I had in the past 6 months was that one of the
200GB hard drive mysteriously unformatted itself but that was probably
because the file table was being written when a power failure happened
and corrupted the partition data.

Oh yeah I have XP with SP1, older XP can't handle 200GB drives anyway.
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tele64 wrote:
This group has tried to answer my question but can not....

The group has consistently and correctly answered your question, you simply
refuse to accept the reply you've received!

Regards,

James

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First, the other postings are correct. A standard IDE channel handles two, and
no more than two, devices. I have been in this business for many many years,
and I have torn apart, serviced, or built thousands of computers. NEVER have I
seen a 3-device 40-pin IDE cable. If it does exist, it also requires a
non-standard IDE controller of some sort. IDE drives have exactly two device
settings: master & slave. So no more than two devices per cable. SCSI
controllers support up to 7, or even 15, devices depending on the type of SCSI
you have. But SCSI uses 50-pin or 68-pin cables, not 40-pin.

Second, you can add PCI IDE controller cards to a system to expand the number of
IDE channels beyond the usual primary and secondary. I have seen systems with
four IDE channels, two devices each, for a total of eight IDE devices. Even
more are possible.

Third, especially if the system is a Compaq, there is the possibility that the
"floppy" drive is/was an LS120 drive with an IDE connector. LS120 reads and
writes both its own 120MB disk and standard 1.44MB floppy diskettes. A system
with three IDE devices would customarily use two IDE channels and have two
cables.

Rather than simply denying responses, as in the past, how about identifying the
IDE controller card (manufacturer and model) which uses a 3-device cable and
allows 3 devices to be attached? Thanks... Ben Myers

On Mon, 3 May 2004 21:36:19 -0400, "tele64" wrote:

Where can I buy a 3 drive (plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin ribbon cable?

thanks in advance,

tele64

You're a n00b. It's not nOOb. It's n00b. Sorry. I just had to say it.
"Impmon" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:19:47 -0400, "tele64"
wrote:

you're wrong.

Are you sure? Unless your son uses SCSI setup and has SCSI disk drive
(is there such thing as internal SCSI floppy drive??), there is no way
a floppy drive and hard drive can be on the same cable. Take another
look, maybe it only appeared to be one cable is in fact 2 cables
positioned close together so to fool some nOObs like you.

Better yet, prove you're right by taking picture oif his computer and
posting it so we could look for ourselves.
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You sure that nOOb isn't just an overweight n00b?
"Ryan 8088" wrote in message
m...
You're a n00b. It's not nOOb. It's n00b. Sorry. I just had to say it.
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:19:47 -0400, "tele64"
wrote:

you're wrong.

Are you sure? Unless your son uses SCSI setup and has SCSI disk drive
(is there such thing as internal SCSI floppy drive??), there is no way
a floppy drive and hard drive can be on the same cable. Take another
look, maybe it only appeared to be one cable is in fact 2 cables
positioned close together so to fool some nOObs like you.

Better yet, prove you're right by taking picture oif his computer and
posting it so we could look for ourselves.
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Good point. He's prolly fat as a telly.
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| You sure that nOOb isn't just an
overweight n00b?
| "Ryan 8088"
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| You're a n00b. It's not nOOb. It's
n00b. Sorry. I just had to say it.
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news | On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:19:47 -0400,
"tele64"
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| you're wrong.
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| Are you sure? Unless your son
uses SCSI setup and has SCSI disk drive
| (is there such thing as internal
SCSI floppy drive??), there is no way
| a floppy drive and hard drive can
be on the same cable. Take another
| look, maybe it only appeared to be
one cable is in fact 2 cables
| positioned close together so to
fool some nOObs like you.
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| Better yet, prove you're right by
taking picture oif his computer and
| posting it so we could look for
ourselves.
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you're wrong
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| "tele64"
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| HH, I don't get it....my nephew
has 3 drives connected; 2 CDRW drives
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| one floppy.....all with one ribbon
cable!
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| "HH" wrote
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| You cannot. Only 2 drives per
IDE controller.
| HH
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| "tele64"
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| Where can I buy a 3 drive
(plus the motherboard connect) 40Pin
| ribbon
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"Ryan 8088" wrote in message
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Good point. He's prolly fat as a telly.
"Tom Scales" wrote
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| You sure that nOOb isn't just an
overweight n00b?
| "Ryan 8088"
wrote in message
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m...
| You're a n00b. It's not nOOb. It's
n00b. Sorry. I just had to say it.
| "Impmon" wrote in
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news | On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:19:47 -0400,
"tele64"
| wrote:
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| you're wrong.
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| Are you sure? Unless your son
uses SCSI setup and has SCSI disk drive
| (is there such thing as internal
SCSI floppy drive??), there is no way

Well, there is such a device as an internal SCSI floppy
but I've only seen them in older Sun Sparc hardware.
I'd be very surprised to see one in a Compaq consumer
product.

| a floppy drive and hard drive can
be on the same cable. Take another
| look, maybe it only appeared to be
one cable is in fact 2 cables
| positioned close together so to
fool some nOObs like you.

I'd go with this poster. You in fact have two cables
which can be hard to see when they're jammed in
to tight areas.

| Better yet, prove you're right by
taking picture oif his computer and
| posting it so we could look for
ourselves.
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