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So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its
memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? You mean Microsoft disk management? Use a real partitioning utility. I got a free one several years ago downloaded from Amazon that works... Partition Master Technician 13.0 Portable. See if it's still available. If you make Windows backups (like everybody should), you don't even need to keep it on your system, just don't re-install it after the next restore. |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan There are a lot of partition manipulations that the Disk Manager in Windows won't do. You need to use a 3rd party partition manager. There are lots of free ones. I use Easeus Partition Master, but there are lots of others. You might want to investigate overprovisioning for SSDs. It prolongs the lifespan of SSDs by giving them more room for remapping bad blocks. SSDs are self-destructive: they have a maximum number of writes. They will fail depending on the volume of writes you impinge on the SSD. The SSD will likely come with a preset of 7% to 10% of its capacity to use for overprovisioning. You can increase that. A tool might've come with the drive, or be available from the SSD maker. However, a contiguous span of unallocated space will increase the overprovisioning space, and you can use a 3rd party partition manager for that, too. You could expand the primary partition to occupy all of the unallocated space, or you could enlarge it just shy of how much unallocated space you want to leave to increase overprovisioning. |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan It's GPT and you need to find a utility that does a better job of showing the partitions. The Microsoft Reserved partition has no recognizable file system inside, and the information I can find suggests it is used as a space when something needs to be adjusted. It is a tiny supply of "slack". But, it might also function as a "blocker" when Disk Management is at work. And then, not every utility lists it properly. Some utilities try to "hide" things like this, and only show data partitions. Try Linux GDisk or Linux GParted, and see if you can spot the blocker there. The disktype utility might work, but the only edition available there is the Cygwin one. disktype.exe /dev/sda --- /dev/sda Block device, size 2.729 TiB (3000592982016 bytes) DOS/MBR partition map Partition 1: 2.000 TiB (2199023255040 bytes, 4294967295 sectors from 1) Type 0xEE (EFI GPT protective) GPT partition map, 128 entries Disk size 2.729 TiB (3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors) Disk GUID EE053214-E191-B343-A670-D3A712F353DB Partition 1: 512 MiB (536870912 bytes, 1048576 sectors from 2048) Type EFI System (FAT) (GUID 28732AC1-1FF8-D211-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B) Partition Name "EFI System Partition" Partition GUID 0CF3D241-6DA1-764C-AE0F-559E55314B8C FAT32 file system (hints score 5 of 5) Volume size 511.0 MiB (535805952 bytes, 130812 clusters of 4 KiB) Partition 2: 20 GiB (21474836480 bytes, 41943040 sectors from 1050624) Type Unknown (GUID AF3DC60F-8384-7247-8E79-3D69D8477DE4) Partition Name "MINT193" Partition GUID 0647492B-0C78-DC4E-914C-E210AB6FF5A5 Ext3 file system Volume name "MINT193" UUID E96B501E-23B5-4F80-A41C-CEE6A5E1D59C (DCE, v4) Last mounted at "/media/bullwinkle/MINT193" Volume size 20 GiB (21474836480 bytes, 5242880 blocks of 4 KiB) Partition 3: 16 MiB (16777216 bytes, 32768 sectors from 123930624) === not visible, Type MS Reserved (GUID 16E3C9E3-5C0B-B84D-817D-F92DF00215AE) diskmgmt.msc Partition Name "Microsoft reserved partition" Partition GUID 0C569E59-E917-AC40-B336-E7B2527D77AD Blank disk/medium Partition 4: 300.4 GiB (322502360576 bytes, 629887423 sectors from 123963392) Type Basic Data (GUID A2A0D0EB-E5B9-3344-87C0-68B6B72699C7) Partition Name "Basic data partition" === actually, Partition GUID 65A1A4E6-4F11-7944-874A-B3A515F131DE "WIN10" NTFS file system Volume size 300.4 GiB (322502360064 bytes, 629887422 sectors) Partition 5: 514 MiB (538968064 bytes, 1052672 sectors from 753854464) Type Unknown (GUID A4BB94DE-D106-404D-A16A-BFD50179D6AC) Partition Name "" Partition GUID 99242951-459E-1144-BF88-61517A280CCA === recovery NTFS file system partition Volume size 514.0 MiB (538967552 bytes, 1052671 sectors) HTH, Paul |
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On 3/24/2021 12:14 AM, Paul wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote: So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Â*Â*Â* Yousuf Khan It's GPT and you need to find a utility that does a better job of showing the partitions. The Microsoft Reserved partition has no recognizable file system inside, and the information I can find suggests it is used as a space when something needs to be adjusted. It is a tiny supply of "slack". But, it might also function as a "blocker" when Disk Management is at work. And then, not every utility lists it properly. Some utilities try to "hide" things like this, and only show data partitions. Try Linux GDisk or Linux GParted, and see if you can spot the blocker there. The disktype utility might work, but the only edition available there is the Cygwin one. disktype.exe /dev/sda --- /dev/sda Block device, size 2.729 TiB (3000592982016 bytes) DOS/MBR partition map Partition 1: 2.000 TiB (2199023255040 bytes, 4294967295 sectors from 1) Â* Type 0xEE (EFI GPT protective) GPT partition map, 128 entries Â* Disk size 2.729 TiB (3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors) Â* Disk GUID EE053214-E191-B343-A670-D3A712F353DB Partition 1: 512 MiB (536870912 bytes, 1048576 sectors from 2048) Â* Type EFI System (FAT) (GUID 28732AC1-1FF8-D211-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B) Â* Partition Name "EFI System Partition" Â* Partition GUID 0CF3D241-6DA1-764C-AE0F-559E55314B8C Â* FAT32 file system (hints score 5 of 5) Â*Â*Â* Volume size 511.0 MiB (535805952 bytes, 130812 clusters of 4 KiB) Partition 2: 20 GiB (21474836480 bytes, 41943040 sectors from 1050624) Â* Type Unknown (GUID AF3DC60F-8384-7247-8E79-3D69D8477DE4) Â* Partition Name "MINT193" Â* Partition GUID 0647492B-0C78-DC4E-914C-E210AB6FF5A5 Â* Ext3 file system Â*Â*Â* Volume name "MINT193" Â*Â*Â* UUID E96B501E-23B5-4F80-A41C-CEE6A5E1D59C (DCE, v4) Â*Â*Â* Last mounted at "/media/bullwinkle/MINT193" Â*Â*Â* Volume size 20 GiB (21474836480 bytes, 5242880 blocks of 4 KiB) Partition 3: 16 MiB (16777216 bytes, 32768 sectors from 123930624) === not visible, Â* Type MS Reserved (GUID 16E3C9E3-5C0B-B84D-817D-F92DF00215AE)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* diskmgmt.msc Â* Partition Name "Microsoft reserved partition" Â* Partition GUID 0C569E59-E917-AC40-B336-E7B2527D77AD Â* Blank disk/medium Partition 4: 300.4 GiB (322502360576 bytes, 629887423 sectors from 123963392) Â* Type Basic Data (GUID A2A0D0EB-E5B9-3344-87C0-68B6B72699C7) Â* Partition Name "Basic data partition" === actually, Â* Partition GUID 65A1A4E6-4F11-7944-874A-B3A515F131DEÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â* "WIN10" Â* NTFS file system Â*Â*Â* Volume size 300.4 GiB (322502360064 bytes, 629887422 sectors) Partition 5: 514 MiB (538968064 bytes, 1052672 sectors from 753854464) Â* Type Unknown (GUID A4BB94DE-D106-404D-A16A-BFD50179D6AC) Â* Partition Name "" Â* Partition GUID 99242951-459E-1144-BF88-61517A280CCA === recovery Â* NTFS file systemÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* partition Â*Â*Â* Volume size 514.0 MiB (538967552 bytes, 1052671 sectors) HTH, Â*Â* Paul There may be another issue. I'm thinking of Samsung over provisioning (or is over something else?) where about 10% of disk free space is used by the disk firmware to shuffle blocks in use in order to level wear. If I wanted to change my SSD, I'd probably need to use the Samsung Magician to first undo that block; then I could do my partition management; then use Samsung again to enable the wear leveling. I presume that that more than Samsung implements such a scheme. This is not my area of expertise and I'm generalizing from my limited experience using a few Samsung SSD on my systems. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can either poo poo my observation or, if it sounds right, flesh out what is going on. -- Jeff Barnett |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 23:25:49, VanguardLH wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised): Yousuf Khan wrote: [] drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan There are a lot of partition manipulations that the Disk Manager in Windows won't do. You need to use a 3rd party partition manager. There are lots of free ones. I use Easeus Partition Master, but there are lots of others. (I use that one too. It was the first one I tried and does what I want, so I haven't tried any others, so can't say if it's better or worse than any. The UI is similar to the Windows one - but then maybe they all are.) You might want to investigate overprovisioning for SSDs. It prolongs the lifespan of SSDs by giving them more room for remapping bad blocks. SSDs are self-destructive: they have a maximum number of writes. They will fail depending on the volume of writes you impinge on the SSD. The SSD will likely come with a preset of 7% to 10% of its capacity to use for overprovisioning. You can increase that. A tool might've come with the drive, or be available from the SSD maker. However, a contiguous span of unallocated space will increase the overprovisioning space, and you can use a 3rd party partition manager for that, too. You could expand the primary partition to occupy all of the unallocated space, or you could enlarge it just shy of how much unallocated space you want to leave to increase overprovisioning. How does the firmware (or whatever) in the SSD _know_ how much space you've left unallocated, if you use any partitioning utility other than one from the SSD maker (which presumably has some way of "telling" the firmware)? If, after some while using an SSD, it has used up some of the slack, because of some cells having been worn out, does the apparent total size of the SSD - including unallocated space - appear (either in manufacturer's own or some third-party partitioning utility) smaller than when that utility is run on it when nearly new? If - assuming you _can_ - you reduce the space for overprovisioning to zero (obviously unwise), will the SSD "brick" either immediately, or very shortly afterwards (i. e. as soon as another cell fails)? If, once an SSD _has_ "bricked" [and is one of the ones that goes to read-only rather than truly bricking], can you - obviously in a dock on a different machine - change (increase) its overprovisioning allowance and bring it back to life, at least temporarily? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" - Jean Kerr |
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Jeff Barnett wrote:
On 3/24/2021 12:14 AM, Paul wrote: Yousuf Khan wrote: So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan It's GPT and you need to find a utility that does a better job of showing the partitions. The Microsoft Reserved partition has no recognizable file system inside, and the information I can find suggests it is used as a space when something needs to be adjusted. It is a tiny supply of "slack". But, it might also function as a "blocker" when Disk Management is at work. And then, not every utility lists it properly. Some utilities try to "hide" things like this, and only show data partitions. Try Linux GDisk or Linux GParted, and see if you can spot the blocker there. The disktype utility might work, but the only edition available there is the Cygwin one. disktype.exe /dev/sda --- /dev/sda Block device, size 2.729 TiB (3000592982016 bytes) DOS/MBR partition map Partition 1: 2.000 TiB (2199023255040 bytes, 4294967295 sectors from 1) Type 0xEE (EFI GPT protective) GPT partition map, 128 entries Disk size 2.729 TiB (3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors) Disk GUID EE053214-E191-B343-A670-D3A712F353DB Partition 1: 512 MiB (536870912 bytes, 1048576 sectors from 2048) Type EFI System (FAT) (GUID 28732AC1-1FF8-D211-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B) Partition Name "EFI System Partition" Partition GUID 0CF3D241-6DA1-764C-AE0F-559E55314B8C FAT32 file system (hints score 5 of 5) Volume size 511.0 MiB (535805952 bytes, 130812 clusters of 4 KiB) Partition 2: 20 GiB (21474836480 bytes, 41943040 sectors from 1050624) Type Unknown (GUID AF3DC60F-8384-7247-8E79-3D69D8477DE4) Partition Name "MINT193" Partition GUID 0647492B-0C78-DC4E-914C-E210AB6FF5A5 Ext3 file system Volume name "MINT193" UUID E96B501E-23B5-4F80-A41C-CEE6A5E1D59C (DCE, v4) Last mounted at "/media/bullwinkle/MINT193" Volume size 20 GiB (21474836480 bytes, 5242880 blocks of 4 KiB) Partition 3: 16 MiB (16777216 bytes, 32768 sectors from 123930624) === not visible, Type MS Reserved (GUID 16E3C9E3-5C0B-B84D-817D-F92DF00215AE) diskmgmt.msc Partition Name "Microsoft reserved partition" Partition GUID 0C569E59-E917-AC40-B336-E7B2527D77AD Blank disk/medium Partition 4: 300.4 GiB (322502360576 bytes, 629887423 sectors from 123963392) Type Basic Data (GUID A2A0D0EB-E5B9-3344-87C0-68B6B72699C7) Partition Name "Basic data partition" === actually, Partition GUID 65A1A4E6-4F11-7944-874A-B3A515F131DE "WIN10" NTFS file system Volume size 300.4 GiB (322502360064 bytes, 629887422 sectors) Partition 5: 514 MiB (538968064 bytes, 1052672 sectors from 753854464) Type Unknown (GUID A4BB94DE-D106-404D-A16A-BFD50179D6AC) Partition Name "" Partition GUID 99242951-459E-1144-BF88-61517A280CCA === recovery NTFS file system partition Volume size 514.0 MiB (538967552 bytes, 1052671 sectors) HTH, Paul There may be another issue. I'm thinking of Samsung over provisioning (or is over something else?) where about 10% of disk free space is used by the disk firmware to shuffle blocks in use in order to level wear. If I wanted to change my SSD, I'd probably need to use the Samsung Magician to first undo that block; then I could do my partition management; then use Samsung again to enable the wear leveling. I presume that that more than Samsung implements such a scheme. This is not my area of expertise and I'm generalizing from my limited experience using a few Samsung SSD on my systems. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can either poo poo my observation or, if it sounds right, flesh out what is going on. Wear leveling is done in the virtual to physical translation inside the drive. Sector 1 is not stored in offset 1 of the flash. Your data is "sprayed" all over the place in there. If you lose the virtual to physical map inside the SSD, the data recovery specialist will not be able to "put the blocks back in order". The drive declares a capacity. It's a call in the ATA/ATAPI protocol. The sizing was settled in a law suit long ago, which penalized a company for attempting to lie about the capacity. The capacity on a 1TB drive, will be some number of cylinders larger than 1e12 bytes. The size is an odd number, so some CHS habits of yore, continue to work. The size is not actually a rounded number that customers would enjoy, it's a number used to keep snotty softwares happy. Any spares pool, and spares management for wear leveling, is behind the scenes and does not influence drive operation. The spares pool means the physical surface inside the drive, is somewhat larger than the virtual presentation to the outside world. We can Secure Erase the drive. All this does, is remove memory of what was there previously (Secure Erase being suitable before selling on the drive). We can TRIM a drive, and this is an opportunity for the OS, to deliver a "hint" to the drive, as to what virtual areas of the 1TB, are not actually in usage by the OS. If you've removed the partition table from the drive, then the OS during TRIM, could tell the drive that the entire surface is unused, then all LBAs are put in the spares, ready to be used on the next write(s). You might be able to deliver this news from the ToolKit software, if the GUI in the OS had no mechanism for it. (Maybe you can do it from Diskpart, but I haven't checked.) The SMART table gives information about Reallocations, which are permanently spared out blocks. As the drive gets older, the controller may mark portions of it as unusable. But, because there is virtual to physical translation, as long as there are sufficient blocks to present a 1TB surface, we can't tell from the outside, it's in trouble. However, if you have the ToolKit for the drive installed, it can take a reading every day, and extrapolate remaining life (using either the number of writes to cells, or, using the reallocation total to predict the drive is in trouble). A drive can die before the warranty period is up, or before the wear life has expired. SMART allows this to be tracked. There is a "critical data" storage area, which may receive a lot more writes than the average cell. Perhaps it's constructed from SLC cells. If this is damaged, that can lead to instant drive death, because the drive has lost its spares table, its map of virtual to physical and so on. Some drives may have sufficient wear life, but a failure to record critical data, means they poop out early. And maybe this isn't covered all that well from a SMART perspective. But generally, all corner cases ignored, you just use SSDs in the same way you'd use an HDD. You don't need to pamper them. The ToolKit will tell you if your pattern is abusive, and with any luck, warn you before the drive takes a dive. But like any device, you should have backups for any eventuality. Regular hard drives can die instantly, if the power (like +12V), rises above +15V or so. So if someone tells me they have a 33TB array and no backups, all I have to do is warn them that the ATX PSU is a liability and could, if it chose to, ruin the entire array (redundancy and all) in one fell swoop. We had a server at work, providing licensed software to 500 engineers. One day, at 2PM in the afternoon, the controller firmware in the RAID controller card, wrote zeros across the array, down low. Wiping out some critical structure for the file system. Instantly, 500 engineers had no software. Most went home for the day :-) Paid of course. Costing the company a lost-work fortune. While RAIDs are nice and all, they do have some (rather unfortunate) common mode failure modes. A second RAID controller of the same model, did the same thing to its RAID array. Nobody went home for that one, and at least then they were thinking it was a firmware bug in the RAID card. Summary - No, the SSD has no excuses. It's either ready for service, or its not. There are no in-between states where a partition boundary cannot move. The ToolKit software each brand provides, will have rudimentary extrapolation of life-remaining. As long as some life remains, you can move partition boundaries or do anything else involving writes. Paul |
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On 24/03/2021 03:20 am, Yousuf Khan wrote:
So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan Without a current layout diagram it's impossible to say what's wrong. Is the free space into which you want to expand the partition contiguous with the partition you want to expand? Is it the partition you wish to expand the boot partition? See he https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...b-2462a09bf629 -- Chris Elvidge England |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
If, after some while using an SSD, it has used up some of the slack, because of some cells having been worn out, does the apparent total size of the SSD - including unallocated space - appear (either in manufacturer's own or some third-party partitioning utility) smaller than when that utility is run on it when nearly new? The declared size of an SSD does not change. The declared size of an HDD does not change. What happens under the covers, is not on display. The reason you cannot arbitrarily move the end of a drive, is because some structures are up there, which don't appear in diagrams. This too is a secret. Any time something under the covers breaks, the storage device will say "I cannot perform my function, therefore I will brick". That is preferable to moving the end of the drive and damaging the backup GPT partition, the RAID metadata, or the Dynamic Disk declaration. Paul |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
So one of my oldest SSD's just finally had a bad misfire. One of its memory cells seems to have gone bad, and it happened to be my boot drive, so I had to restore to a new SSD from backups. That took a fair bit of time to restore, but the new drive is twice as large as the old one, but it created a partition that is the same size as the original. I expected that, but I also expected that I should be able to extend the partition after the restore to fill the new drive's size. However going into disk management it doesn't allow me to fill up that entire drive. Any idea what's going on here? Yousuf Khan One thing you can try. Boot from your Linux LiveDVD USB stick. Attempt to mount the partitions on the disk. Then cat /etc/mtab Look at the mount points. Are any "ro" for read-only, instead of "rw" for read-write ? It's possible to mark a storage device as read-only, but I've not been able to find sufficient diagrams of the details. It may be a flag located next to the VolumeID 32 bit number in the MBR. The partition headers may have a similar mechanism, but I got no hints at all there. https://linux.die.net/man/8/hdparm https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/hdparm...with-examples/ sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda # Dump info sudo hdparm -r0 /dev/sda # set ReadOnly flag to zero, make drive ReadWrite. # reboot recommended, as Ripley would say. Diskpart in Windows likely has a similar function, but we're not sure it works. The threads I could find were not conclusive. Otherwise I would have done a Windows one for you. In any case, the *boot* drive, should not be the same drive you experiment with. On Windows, maybe C: is on /dev/sda, whereas /dev/sdb is the "broken" drive needing modification. And a reboot maybe. No OS need behave well when it comes to corner conditions. F5 (refresh) doesn't work at all levels. Paul |
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