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the 4-8 ohm load from the speakers could've cooked the output
double click the volume icon, maybe wave ouput is low? "sesz" wrote in message ink.net... philo wrote: I'm not using amplifide speakers, and the speakers previously with the old board worked fine. Also, I get the same result with earphones - very faint sound.. What's my next step? You need to get speakers with a built in amplifier...(they can be had for very little money) Your old sound card evidently had built-in amplification which is not terribly common any more. Shouldn't he at least get adequate sound with headphones though? |
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- Paul L -
the 4-8 ohm load from the speakers could've cooked the output double click the volume icon, maybe wave ouput is low? - Nehmo - I tried that already. Everything is up, and nothing is muted. So how do I tell if this mo'bo normally takes an add-on amplifier? My searches don't seem to turn up right info; maybe I'm not searching with the right terms. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Get the correct drivers for your board from he
http://www.biostar.com.tw/support/dr...hp3?name=M6TWG Also, YOU WILL NEED AMPLIFIED SPEAKERS. You can also download a manual for the board from that URL as well. John S. "Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote in message ... I have Windows XP Home (SP1) Because I ruined my old mo'bo by spilling a cup of tea on it, I now have a new old 533 MHz board installed using the old HD. (This is temporary so don't criticize me for having such a slow machine. :-) ) But I can't get the sound to work right. It's very faint.[1] All the regular stuff tests out okay, nothing is muted, and the devices test as working. So I'm thinking since Windows XP wasn't around when this board was made, maybe I need the new audio driver. A friend gave me a CD with some drivers on it, one of which is SoundMax2. But when I try to install, the setup stops and produces an error window: An error occurred during the move data process: -113 Component: System files File Group: System files File : E\sound\2ndGenDrv\S11th32dll How do I determine if I need a new driver? And how do I find it? Or if this file is all I need, how do I find that? Using AIDA32 Personal http://www.aida32.hu/aida32.php , I got this info about the mo'bo, which contains the sound components: Motherboard Properties Motherboard Name Biostar M6TWG Chipset Properties Motherboard Chipset Intel Whitney i810 In-Order Queue Depth 4 CAS Latency 3T RAS To CAS Delay 3T RAS Precharge 3T RAS Active Time 6T Integrated Graphics Controller Graphics Controller Type Intel i752 Graphics Controller Status Enabled Shared Memory Size 1 MB AC'97 Audio Controller Audio Controller Type Intel 82801AA ICH Codec Name Cirrus Logic CS4299 Codec ID 43525934h Chipset Manufacturer Company Name Intel Corporation Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/chipsets.htm Driver Download http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/index.htm AC'97 Audio Controller Audio Controller Type Intel 82801AA ICH [1] Actually, there might be a problem with the connection jack. I have to wiggle it to get both right and left channels to play. But in any case, the sound is _very_ faint. To hear, you have to hold the speaker right up to your ear at full volume. Naturally, my goal is to get the sound to work. Does anybody have any suggestions? ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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- Nehmo -
That's the first thing I tried. Double click on the speaker icon in the system tray window titled Master Volume everything all the way up and no mute box checked. - Alan - you evidently need to use amplified speakers - Nehmo - I suppose that would work, but I don't have any handy right now. I'm wondering if this behavior is normal for this m'board (I'm trying that abbreviation now). I found this stuff on it. Biostar M6TWG. There's nothing about an off-board amplifier, but maybe that's understood. http://www.asipartner.com/asisku/8714.htm I'm going to try to email Biostar to see what they have to say. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:04:10 -0600, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: - Paul L - the 4-8 ohm load from the speakers could've cooked the output double click the volume icon, maybe wave ouput is low? - Nehmo - I tried that already. Everything is up, and nothing is muted. So how do I tell if this mo'bo normally takes an add-on amplifier? My searches don't seem to turn up right info; maybe I'm not searching with the right terms. Have never seen a motherboard with integrated audio that had a built in amplifier. AC97 is relatively recent. Have never seen a motherboard with a low end, AC97 audio like the I810 chipset with an onboard amplifier. Odds are 99.99999% that you will need amplified speakers. That has been standard for the last few years. JT |
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Borrow some speakers from a friend to see if that fixes your problem
before you buy new speakers. Joe |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:12:34 -0600, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: Naturally, my goal is to get the sound to work. Does anybody have any suggestions? As has already been suggested, you might need amplified speakers. A similar problem was discussed he http://www.computer-chat.com/homebui...nd_292425.html HTH Geo |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:02:42 -0600, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: I suppose that would work, but I don't have any handy right now. I'm wondering if this behavior is normal for this m'board (I'm trying that abbreviation now). I found this stuff on it. Biostar M6TWG. There's nothing about an off-board amplifier, but maybe that's understood. http://www.asipartner.com/asisku/8714.htm I'm going to try to email Biostar to see what they have to say. Let's clarify this situation... It is abnormal/atypical/etc, for a motherboard to NOT need the amplifier. Any motherboard you buy, and "almost" all from the past, needed an amplifier, because the audio output is only a pre-amp signal. You would not see anything in the manual about needing the amp, because it is implied, you ALWAYS need the amp, for most motherboards, unless it's explicitly stated otherwise. However, there's more to your situation than just this, because that line-level signal should easily power a set of headphones. Of course I mean "normal" headphones like around 32 ohm, not something very old and exceptionally low impedance. Try going to Biostar's website, they likely have at least a Windows 2K driver, try the newest version of that. Physically look at the motherboard, note the audio chip, write down the text on it. I doubt it's an Aureal chipset, especially based on ADIA's report, though Biostar offers that for download too. With more information you can use the process of elimination. You might do a Google search for the Soundmax AD1881 and/or Cirrus Logic CS4299, sound driver. If this is an OEM motherboard, you might also try that OEM. The likes of HP, Compaq, and eMachines, are potential OEMs that might've used such a board.. though other OEMs might've as well, those 3 did more low-end, small boxes that had i810 chipset boards in them at one time or another. If the driver you're using is "somewhat" wrong, you might find that the audio ports are mislabeled, that one or more of the windows mixer options applies to a different function, so you might want to make sure you've unmuted and raised volume on ALL features (might be a good idea to unplug a microphone if you have one plugged in, before doing that, it could have a LOT of feedback as a result). Don't use the non-amplified speakers anymore, ever, on any motherboard not expressly promoted as having an onboard amp suitable for driving non-amplified speakers... it's quite possible to damage a motherboard doing what you've done, though at this point I can't guess whether you've damaged it or not. The correct driver should've allowed sound at least for very short time, before overloading components on the board's sound circuitry... if there was never sound of any reasonable volume, ALWAYS very quiet during your testing, it's not so likely you damaged it, since it wasn't (trying to) outputting much power. |
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- Muttley or John S. -
Get the correct drivers for your board from he http://www.biostar.com.tw/support/dr...hp3?name=M6TWG Also, YOU WILL NEED AMPLIFIED SPEAKERS. You can also download a manual for the board from that URL as well. - Nehmo - Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Choosing XP on the dropdown gets this page: http://www.biostar.com.tw/support/dr...me=M6TWG&os=XP And on this is the self-extracting-zip pdf manual for Biostar M6TWG: http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/m...wg/m_m6twg.exe Apparently Biostar recommends installing only one driver update, the INF Patch Utility Version 5.00.1012. I already downloaded it. But where does the manual or elsewhere does it say the board needs an off-board amplifier? Why do you, with such assurance, say it needs an amp ? In one pic JSPKR1, the back speaker jack, is marked "Front (? I think) Speaker Out". I copied the pic he http://home.kc.rr.com/plumb/bioback.htm It looks like you're supposed to plug in a plain old set of speakers. Nonetheless, I'm sure a stereo amp would solve the problem. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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- kony -
It is abnormal/atypical/etc, for a motherboard to NOT need the amplifier. Any motherboard you buy, and "almost" all from the past, needed an amplifier, because the audio output is only a pre-amp signal. You would not see anything in the manual about needing the amp, because it is implied, you ALWAYS need the amp, for most motherboards, unless it's explicitly stated otherwise. - Nehmo - I didn't know that. I've only had experience with a couple of boards (that didn't have separate sound cards), and both used regular non-amplified speakers. - kony - However, there's more to your situation than just this, because that line-level signal should easily power a set of headphones. Of course I mean "normal" headphones like around 32 ohm, not something very old and exceptionally low impedance. - Nehmo - Labtec C-324 Stereo Headset/Boom Microphone, 32 ohm - kony - Try going to Biostar's website, they likely have at least a Windows 2K driver, try the newest version of that. Physically look at the motherboard, note the audio chip, write down the text on it. I doubt it's an Aureal chipset, especially based on ADIA's report, though Biostar offers that for download too. With more information you can use the process of elimination. You might do a Google search for the Soundmax AD1881 and/or Cirrus Logic CS4299, sound driver. If this is an OEM motherboard, you might also try that OEM. The likes of HP, Compaq, and eMachines, are potential OEMs that might've used such a board.. though other OEMs might've as well, those 3 did more low-end, small boxes that had i810 chipset boards in them at one time or another. If the driver you're using is "somewhat" wrong, you might find that the audio ports are mislabeled, that one or more of the windows mixer options applies to a different function, so you might want to make sure you've unmuted and raised volume on ALL features (might be a good idea to unplug a microphone if you have one plugged in, before doing that, it could have a LOT of feedback as a result). Don't use the non-amplified speakers anymore, ever, on any motherboard not expressly promoted as having an onboard amp suitable for driving non-amplified speakers... it's quite possible to damage a motherboard doing what you've done, though at this point I can't guess whether you've damaged it or not. The correct driver should've allowed sound at least for very short time, before overloading components on the board's sound circuitry... if there was never sound of any reasonable volume, ALWAYS very quiet during your testing, it's not so likely you damaged it, since it wasn't (trying to) outputting much power. - Nehmo - Okay, I'll get on it tomorrow. And I'll find a little amp somewhere. Thanks. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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