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My post-college niece has an old Dimension 2400 which, after a RAM upgrade, has served her needs well despite its age. Recently she's been doing a lot of social networking and picking up viruses. A few weeks ago I removed some fake AV malware, postponing the inevitable wipe-and-reinstall. This week she emailed me that she had picked up yet another fake antivirus. Since she lives across the state, I had started to prepare for my repair visit by getting some discs together. She has Dell XP Home, and since I have a Dell XP Home SP2 reinstall CD that came with my Optiplex 755, I thought I'd save time by making an XP3 slipstream disc. I did the slipstream manually without incident and tried a test boot of the new CD on my Optiplex. To my surprise it blue-screened with a stop 0x07D at the "starting windows" setup screen. I did a little searching around and found that the error related to hard drives and controllers, and that this was often due to booting a CD which lacked SATA drivers for the target machine. Waitaminnit ... I had used the Dell XPSP2 install CD on that same Optiplex 755 when the factory Seagate drive died, and the BIOS has been set to the default (AHCI mode). Why did the original CD work but the same CD with SP3 slipstreamed not work? The popular wisdom on many web sites was to reset your BIOS to use IDE emulation mode. I wasn't going to do _that_ ... I already had a working system. Looking at web sites devoted to adding SATA drivers to XP install discs, they all referred to a folder called $OEM$ which had subfolders like $1$ containing drivers. Sure 'nuff ... the original Dell CD has an $OEM$ folder with some utilities, registry files, and CAB files; but no drivers. How, then, was it loading the SATA drivers at boot time? I ended up looking at the TXTSETUP.* files left behind after the slipstream, and discovered that the SP3 integration had replaced the TXTSETUP.SIF file with a newer one of a different size. Just going on a hunch, I replaced it with the original off the Dell factory CD, reburned the slipstream and .... voila .... it now boots without error. I'm hoping that it actually installs XP without some unforseen consequence of my tinkering; but I'm not ready to try this at home right now. Of course all of this is superfluous to my niece's system which uses an IDE controller. Still it had me wondering; does Dell use a non-standard way of integrating SATA drivers into the install CD - in a way that a standard SP3 slipstream ends up undoing? |
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On Apr 25, 7:11*pm, (Mike S.) wrote:
My post-college niece has an old Dimension 2400 which, after a RAM upgrade, has served her needs well despite its age. Recently she's been doing a lot of social networking and picking up viruses. A few weeks ago I removed some fake AV malware, postponing the inevitable wipe-and-reinstall. This week she emailed me that she had picked up yet another fake antivirus. Since she lives across the state, I had started to prepare for my repair visit by getting some discs together. She has Dell XP Home, and since I have a Dell XP Home SP2 reinstall CD that came with my Optiplex 755, I thought I'd save time by making an XP3 slipstream disc. I did the slipstream manually without incident and tried a test boot of the new CD on my Optiplex. To my surprise it blue-screened with a stop 0x07D at the "starting windows" setup screen. I did a little searching around and found that the error related to hard drives and controllers, and that this was often due to booting a CD which lacked SATA drivers for the target machine. Waitaminnit ... I had used the Dell XPSP2 install CD on that same Optiplex 755 when the factory Seagate drive died, and the BIOS has been set to the default (AHCI mode). Why did the original CD work but the same CD with SP3 slipstreamed not work? The popular wisdom on many web sites was to reset your BIOS to use IDE emulation mode. I wasn't going to do _that_ ... I already had a working system. Looking at web sites devoted to adding SATA drivers to XP install discs, they all referred to a folder called $OEM$ which had subfolders like $1$ containing drivers. Sure 'nuff ... the original Dell CD has an $OEM$ folder with some utilities, registry files, and CAB files; but no drivers.. How, then, was it loading the SATA drivers at boot time? I ended up looking at the TXTSETUP.* files left behind after the slipstream, and discovered that the SP3 integration had replaced the TXTSETUP.SIF file with a newer one of a different size. Just going on a hunch, I replaced it with the original off the Dell factory CD, reburned the slipstream and .... voila .... it now boots without error. I'm hoping that it actually installs XP without some unforseen consequence of my tinkering; but I'm not ready to try this at home right now. Of course all of this is superfluous to my niece's system which uses an IDE controller. Still it had me wondering; does Dell use a non-standard way of integrating SATA drivers into the install CD - in a way that a standard SP3 slipstream ends up undoing? Suggestion: Save yourself the headaches of trying to slipstrean SP3 onto the Dell XP Home SP2 CD. Simply install XP Home with SP2, then the drivers (starting with the Intel chipset drivers, of course), then connect up to the Microsoft mothership and install SP3. To protect her better, you need to download and install all the other 300 or 400MB of patches, bubble gum, tissue paper, and rubber bands that hold XP together and make it marginally more secure. Now why in hades didn't Microsoft ever do XP SP4 ???? Sheesh! Talk about not caring for your customers. Well, Micro$oft never did, only about their billfolds. .... Ben Myers |
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On Apr 25, 7:25*pm, mm wrote:
Ah, a real DELL question. *I should say that after about 20 attempts to slipsteam SP's, using 2 or 3 different methods including Autostreamer and by hand, I never even finished the third-to-last step, the step before adding those two files and burning. * *The step that uses update.exe iirc. I had hoped to be enlightened by your post but it's not about the same problem. Have you ever tried nLite? http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html |
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On 4/25/2011 7:11 PM, Mike S. wrote:
My post-college niece has an old Dimension 2400 which, after a RAM upgrade, has served her needs well despite its age. Recently she's been doing a lot of social networking and picking up viruses. A few weeks ago I removed some fake AV malware, postponing the inevitable wipe-and-reinstall. This week she emailed me that she had picked up yet another fake antivirus. Since she lives across the state, I had started to prepare for my repair visit by getting some discs together. She has Dell XP Home, and since I have a Dell XP Home SP2 reinstall CD that came with my Optiplex 755, I thought I'd save time by making an XP3 slipstream disc. I did the slipstream manually without incident and tried a test boot of the new CD on my Optiplex. To my surprise it blue-screened with a stop 0x07D at the "starting windows" setup screen. I did a little searching around and found that the error related to hard drives and controllers, and that this was often due to booting a CD which lacked SATA drivers for the target machine. Waitaminnit ... I had used the Dell XPSP2 install CD on that same Optiplex 755 when the factory Seagate drive died, and the BIOS has been set to the default (AHCI mode). Why did the original CD work but the same CD with SP3 slipstreamed not work? The popular wisdom on many web sites was to reset your BIOS to use IDE emulation mode. I wasn't going to do _that_ ... I already had a working system. Looking at web sites devoted to adding SATA drivers to XP install discs, they all referred to a folder called $OEM$ which had subfolders like $1$ containing drivers. Sure 'nuff ... the original Dell CD has an $OEM$ folder with some utilities, registry files, and CAB files; but no drivers. How, then, was it loading the SATA drivers at boot time? I ended up looking at the TXTSETUP.* files left behind after the slipstream, and discovered that the SP3 integration had replaced the TXTSETUP.SIF file with a newer one of a different size. Just going on a hunch, I replaced it with the original off the Dell factory CD, reburned the slipstream and .... voila .... it now boots without error. I'm hoping that it actually installs XP without some unforseen consequence of my tinkering; but I'm not ready to try this at home right now. Of course all of this is superfluous to my niece's system which uses an IDE controller. Still it had me wondering; does Dell use a non-standard way of integrating SATA drivers into the install CD - in a way that a standard SP3 slipstream ends up undoing? she sounds like a candidate for www.ubuntu.com. not likely to get a virus with that. or if she has over a 1gb of ram and over 40gb of disk then install windows 7. it works nicely on a dimension 2400 and installs smoothly with the only hassle being installing the windows xp video driver under windows 7. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 18:01:07 -0700 (PDT), Ben Myers
wrote: On Apr 25, 7:11*pm, (Mike S.) wrote: My post-college niece has an old Dimension 2400 which, after a RAM upgrade, has served her needs well despite its age. Recently she's been doing a lot of social networking and picking up viruses. A few weeks ago I removed some fake AV malware, postponing the inevitable wipe-and-reinstall. This week she emailed me that she had picked up yet another fake antivirus. Since she lives across the state, I had started to prepare for my repair visit by getting some discs together. She has Dell XP Home, and since I have a Dell XP Home SP2 reinstall CD that came with my Optiplex 755, I thought I'd save time by making an XP3 slipstream disc. I did the slipstream manually without incident and tried a test boot of the new CD on my Optiplex. To my surprise it blue-screened with a stop 0x07D at the "starting windows" setup screen. I did a little searching around and found that the error related to hard drives and controllers, and that this was often due to booting a CD which lacked SATA drivers for the target machine. Waitaminnit ... I had used the Dell XPSP2 install CD on that same Optiplex 755 when the factory Seagate drive died, and the BIOS has been set to the default (AHCI mode). Why did the original CD work but the same CD with SP3 slipstreamed not work? The popular wisdom on many web sites was to reset your BIOS to use IDE emulation mode. I wasn't going to do _that_ ... I already had a working system. Looking at web sites devoted to adding SATA drivers to XP install discs, they all referred to a folder called $OEM$ which had subfolders like $1$ containing drivers. Sure 'nuff ... the original Dell CD has an $OEM$ folder with some utilities, registry files, and CAB files; but no drivers. How, then, was it loading the SATA drivers at boot time? I ended up looking at the TXTSETUP.* files left behind after the slipstream, and discovered that the SP3 integration had replaced the TXTSETUP.SIF file with a newer one of a different size. Just going on a hunch, I replaced it with the original off the Dell factory CD, reburned the slipstream and .... voila .... it now boots without error. I'm hoping that it actually installs XP without some unforseen consequence of my tinkering; but I'm not ready to try this at home right now. Of course all of this is superfluous to my niece's system which uses an IDE controller. Still it had me wondering; does Dell use a non-standard way of integrating SATA drivers into the install CD - in a way that a standard SP3 slipstream ends up undoing? Suggestion: Save yourself the headaches of trying to slipstrean SP3 onto the Dell XP Home SP2 CD. Simply install XP Home with SP2, then the drivers (starting with the Intel chipset drivers, of course), then connect up to the Microsoft mothership and install SP3. To protect Yes, I've noticed that the automatic updates include SP3, and SP2 iirc and IE. Did automatic updates always include these things? Given my bad luck with slipstreaming, maybe I should give up that dream. Bob, I heard about nLite at the time, but I can't remember if I tried to use it. I have to check on that. her better, you need to download and install all the other 300 or 400MB of patches, bubble gum, tissue paper, and rubber bands that hold XP together and make it marginally more secure. Sometimes I read the description of the security patches, and they only refer to Internet Explorer. Is that because they only affect Internet Explorer, or because they refuse to acknowledge Firefox, Opera, etc? Now why in hades didn't Microsoft ever do XP SP4 ???? Sheesh! Talk about not caring for your customers. Well, Micro$oft never did, only about their billfolds. ... Ben Myers |
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How do I decipher your email? (Mine is correctly listed in GG)
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In article , Bob Villa wrote: On Apr 25, 7:25*pm, mm wrote: Ah, a real DELL question. *I should say that after about 20 attempts to slipsteam SP's, using 2 or 3 different methods including Autostreamer and by hand, I never even finished the third-to-last step, the step before adding those two files and burning. * *The step that uses update.exe iirc. I had hoped to be enlightened by your post but it's not about the same problem. Have you ever tried nLite? http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html No, but after I stumbled through a manual solution I read about it. The caveat is to do the slipstream on a machine actually running XP; if you do it on Vista (and perhaps W7) there can be CD key/activation issues. |
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In article , Christopher Muto wrote: On 4/25/2011 7:11 PM, Mike S. wrote: My post-college niece has an old Dimension 2400 which, after a RAM upgrade, has served her needs well despite its age. Recently she's been doing a lot of social networking and picking up viruses. A few weeks ago I removed some fake AV malware, postponing the inevitable wipe-and-reinstall. This week she emailed me that she had picked up yet another fake antivirus. Since she lives across the state, I had started to prepare for my repair visit by getting some discs together. She has Dell XP Home, and since I have a Dell XP Home SP2 reinstall CD that came with my Optiplex 755, I thought I'd save time by making an XP3 slipstream disc. I did the slipstream manually without incident and tried a test boot of the new CD on my Optiplex. To my surprise it blue-screened with a stop 0x07D at the "starting windows" setup screen. I did a little searching around and found that the error related to hard drives and controllers, and that this was often due to booting a CD which lacked SATA drivers for the target machine. Waitaminnit ... I had used the Dell XPSP2 install CD on that same Optiplex 755 when the factory Seagate drive died, and the BIOS has been set to the default (AHCI mode). Why did the original CD work but the same CD with SP3 slipstreamed not work? The popular wisdom on many web sites was to reset your BIOS to use IDE emulation mode. I wasn't going to do _that_ ... I already had a working system. Looking at web sites devoted to adding SATA drivers to XP install discs, they all referred to a folder called $OEM$ which had subfolders like $1$ containing drivers. Sure 'nuff ... the original Dell CD has an $OEM$ folder with some utilities, registry files, and CAB files; but no drivers. How, then, was it loading the SATA drivers at boot time? I ended up looking at the TXTSETUP.* files left behind after the slipstream, and discovered that the SP3 integration had replaced the TXTSETUP.SIF file with a newer one of a different size. Just going on a hunch, I replaced it with the original off the Dell factory CD, reburned the slipstream and .... voila .... it now boots without error. I'm hoping that it actually installs XP without some unforseen consequence of my tinkering; but I'm not ready to try this at home right now. Of course all of this is superfluous to my niece's system which uses an IDE controller. Still it had me wondering; does Dell use a non-standard way of integrating SATA drivers into the install CD - in a way that a standard SP3 slipstream ends up undoing? she sounds like a candidate for www.ubuntu.com. not likely to get a virus with that. or if she has over a 1gb of ram and over 40gb of disk then install windows 7. it works nicely on a dimension 2400 and installs smoothly with the only hassle being installing the windows xp video driver under windows 7. First I'm gonna create a low-privilege account on her machine for web browsing. I'm presently using Ubuntu for banking and other critical stuff; so I'm well acquainted with its virtues. |
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