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Old January 8th 04, 11:18 AM
Whelan
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That's interesting. I've noticed the "computer name" displays followed by a
period on the Compaq. I haven't noticed that on the others (but it may be
there).

Would you just check that by going to the Computer Name tabs?
Nan
"Kevin Childers" wrote in message
...
Check for hidden spaces in the computer names and workgroups.
Occasionally an leading or trailing space ends up causing a bit of problem
connecting to the workgroup and/or the other computers in the workgroup.

KC


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about

"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the router

and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address for

the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP addresses,

not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was

checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running Fat32.

Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several I've

tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the workgroup's

name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice

references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS. Could

that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is

checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service, and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells, Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I get

the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission to

use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server to

find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also recheck

the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection, View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service, or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware. Service

lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You haven't

got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router give

you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many

things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names (tried

3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell 4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop and

the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They can

all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't see

past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each other

by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be pinged

by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except the

last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the

networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as any

other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the internet,

you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router and

the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the difference

be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq

Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap into

our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro on

it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last week I

have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the hard

drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a Presario

1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not

finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in July

2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by

phone?)

Nan














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  #32  
Old January 8th 04, 07:01 PM
Whelan
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No, I haven't and that sounds worth trying. (I just don't understand what
the missing piece is!)

Do you know how to approach a repair install? (Pop in CD or boot from CD,
etc?)

On the other hand, do you think there's any chance that Belkin support could
walk me through something that will fix it?
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I give up. Maybe one of the services that XP requires is turned off. I

don't
know which ones do what so I can't help there. If you have a real copy of
XP, have you tried a repair install?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't

because
of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP

address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I

tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its

database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies

to
you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If

you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if

any
are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers

and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another

computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea


whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked

everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about
"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address

for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed

but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I

can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several

I've
tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is
checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service,

and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server

to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I

get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server

to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service,

or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware.

Service
lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft

IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router

give
you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many
things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell

4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop

and
the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They

can
all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't

see
past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except

the
last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as

any
other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the

internet,
you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router

and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in

message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq
Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap

into
our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro

on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last

week
I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the

hard
drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a

Presario
1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not
finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in

July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by
phone?)

Nan














---

Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).
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1/2/2004






















  #33  
Old January 8th 04, 08:54 PM
the yeti
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

XP can be a pain in the a** on a small home network. Here is what you
need to do.

1) make sure that the usernames are the same on all workgroup
computers. For example, if you log into the laptop with the username
BOB, create a user called BOB on all the workgroup computers. The
password should match too.

2)Start from scratch. Remove everything from the network properties
boxes. Remove ALL the network adapters (from device manager).

3) Reboot

4) Now your NIC card should reinstall itself. XP has this (horrific)
home networking wizard. You should be able to follow through the
wizzard and it should work for you now. Enable file and print
sharing. Check "allow users to change my files"

5) reboot (god I love Windows)

6) it should work now. If you are still having troubles, try "my
Network places" and "view ENTIRE contents of network"

The other thing to try is on your TCP/IP properities set your Default
gateway to 192.168.1.1. You can leave everything else the same, such
as Obtain IP address automatically and obtain DNS automatically.
  #34  
Old January 8th 04, 09:43 PM
tc
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

More than you ever wanted to know about services and a listing of the
default at www.blackviper.com.

Boot from real XP cd. Don't choose the r option, go to install. XP will find
the existing install and ask if you want to repair it.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
No, I haven't and that sounds worth trying. (I just don't understand what
the missing piece is!)

Do you know how to approach a repair install? (Pop in CD or boot from CD,
etc?)

On the other hand, do you think there's any chance that Belkin support

could
walk me through something that will fix it?
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I give up. Maybe one of the services that XP requires is turned off. I

don't
know which ones do what so I can't help there. If you have a real copy

of
XP, have you tried a repair install?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't

because
of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP

address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I

tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its
database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names

applies
to
you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name.

If
you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if

any
are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers

and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another
computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no

idea

whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a

try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked

everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there

about
"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP

address
for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed

but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now.

I
can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically'

was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several

I've
tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it

can
share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box

is
checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client,

Service,
and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have

permission
to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the

server
to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found.

"

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq,

I
get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have

permission
to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the

server
to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the
workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message

y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,
install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the
router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client,

Service,
or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them

applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware.

Service
lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add

Microsoft
IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router

give
you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested

many
things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a

Dell
4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop

and
the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They

can
all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't

see
past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except

the
last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg:

the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP
installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as

any
other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the

internet,
you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a

router
and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in

message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq
Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap

into
our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win

XPPro
on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last

week
I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of
advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the

hard
drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a

Presario
1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm

not
finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and

2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in

July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need

by
phone?)

Nan














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Old January 9th 04, 08:29 AM
Whelan
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Sounds interesting. Just looked them up; the cheapest was $59. Since I have
a desktop available, I'll try to live without printing for a while. But
thanks for the idea.
Nan

"Kevin Childers" wrote in message
...
You could always buy a stand alone print server device? Not the best
solution, but an option should all else fail.

KC

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't

because
of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP

address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I

tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its

database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names applies

to
you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name. If

you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if

any
are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers

and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another

computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked

everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there about
"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP address

for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed

but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now. I

can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several

I've
tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it can

share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box is
checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client, Service,

and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server

to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found. "

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq, I

get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have permission

to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the server

to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this

workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the

workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message
y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,

install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the

router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client, Service,

or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware.

Service
lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add Microsoft

IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router

give
you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested many
things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a Dell

4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop

and
the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They

can
all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't

see
past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except

the
last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg: the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP

installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as

any
other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the

internet,
you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a router

and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in

message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq
Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap

into
our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win XPPro

on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last

week
I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of

advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the

hard
drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a

Presario
1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm not
finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and 2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in

July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need by
phone?)

Nan














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  #36  
Old January 9th 04, 08:58 AM
Whelan
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Posts: n/a
Default

Thanks.
I'm so sick of rking on this. I don't have the energy to try the 6 steps
now, but I've printed them to try later.

Re your last idea, ... my router is 192.168.2.1. Should I try 1.1 or 2.1?

"the yeti" wrote in message
om...
XP can be a pain in the a** on a small home network. Here is what you
need to do.

1) make sure that the usernames are the same on all workgroup
computers. For example, if you log into the laptop with the username
BOB, create a user called BOB on all the workgroup computers. The
password should match too.

2)Start from scratch. Remove everything from the network properties
boxes. Remove ALL the network adapters (from device manager).

3) Reboot

4) Now your NIC card should reinstall itself. XP has this (horrific)
home networking wizard. You should be able to follow through the
wizzard and it should work for you now. Enable file and print
sharing. Check "allow users to change my files"

5) reboot (god I love Windows)

6) it should work now. If you are still having troubles, try "my
Network places" and "view ENTIRE contents of network"

The other thing to try is on your TCP/IP properities set your Default
gateway to 192.168.1.1. You can leave everything else the same, such
as Obtain IP address automatically and obtain DNS automatically.



  #37  
Old January 9th 04, 07:23 PM
the yeti
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


Re your last idea, ... my router is 192.168.2.1. Should I try 1.1 or 2.1?


The other thing to try is on your TCP/IP properities set your Default
gateway to 192.168.1.1. You can leave everything else the same, such
as Obtain IP address automatically and obtain DNS automatically.


If your router is 192.168.2.1, than that is what your gateway should be.
  #38  
Old January 10th 04, 12:56 AM
Thagor
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Did a quick check, here's one for a little cheaper but it looks cheap too
and out of stock.
http://www.pcbay.net/gen4porinrou.html

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Sounds interesting. Just looked them up; the cheapest was $59. Since I

have
a desktop available, I'll try to live without printing for a while. But
thanks for the idea.
Nan

"Kevin Childers" wrote in message
...
You could always buy a stand alone print server device? Not the best
solution, but an option should all else fail.

KC

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
I tried to install the network printer several times but couldn't

because
of
that same problem -- not seeing the Dell computer it's attached to.

I wish there was some way to install the printer using just the IP

address
(which it can ping), bypassing name of computer it's attached to. I

tried
typing that in, but it just wouldn't take it.

I wonder if that's possible somehow?

(I have a 256mb usb drive, so the lack of file sharing will be only a

little
inconvenient.)
Nan
"tc" wrote in message
news:%[email protected]
Both names are listed because the Netgear router didn't update its
database
to remove the old name. The only problem with duplicate names

applies
to
you
having 2 or more computers on the same network with the same name.

If
you
look at the list of names on the router, you will be able to tell if

any
are
duplicated.

You can add a printer to an xp machine from Control Panel - Printers

and
other hardware. Assuming you have the printer attached to another
computer,
you would choose Network Printer. If the wizard can find it, it will

give
you the appropriate directions to add it to the Compaq. I have no

idea
whether this will work as you can't share files. But its worth a

try.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Yep, 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically' is checked

everywhere.

I've been reading the Belkin manual and I went to the router by

running
192.168.2.1 and found MAC addresses. And from some tips there

about
"adding
computer" I was able to get the compaq's wireless card to see the

router
and
it can connect to the internet. That added an additional IP

address
for
the
Compaq.

But both ways, the Compaq can only ping with the others by IP

addresses,
not
name. A microsoft troubleshooter said the computer name might be a
duplicate, so I changed it to PRESARIO. Now both names get listed

but
neither is accessible.

I'm very happy to have wireless internet access on the Compaq now.

I
can
probably share most files by a USB drive.
I just wish I could print!
Nan


"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
You did confirm that 'Obtain DNS Server address automatically'

was
checked,
didn't you?
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
I don't think Simple File Sharing applies if you are running

Fat32.
Hmmm.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
SEQUOIA is just the Workgroup name ... it's one of several

I've
tried.
But
it's always the same, the Compaq can't get beyond the

workgroup's
name.

I've started reading the articles you linked to ... I notice
references
to
NTFS file system.
I just realized that this Compaq uses FAT32 instead of NTFS.

Could
that
be
a
problem? (But then so does the 1998 Gateway laptop, and it

can
share
anything.) Both the Dells have NTFS on their C partition.
Nan
Back to those articles.

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
What is SEQUOIA? Is this another computer on your network?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
The File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks box

is
checked
too.
Its
Install button offers the same 3 choices: Client,

Service,
and
Protocol.
The Compaq laptop's name is COMPAQ.

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Dells,

Compaq
appears
on
the
list, but when I click on it I get:
"\\Compaq is not accessible. You might not have

permission
to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the

server
to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The network path was not found.

"

When I choose View Workgroup Computers from the Compaq,

I
get
the
hourglass
for 20 seconds, then:
"SEQUOIA is not accessible. You might not have

permission
to
use
this
network resource. Contact the administrator of the

server
to
find
out
if
you
have access permissions. The list of servers for this
workgroup
is
not
currently available."

Hmm, the final sentence is different. I've changed the
workgroup
name
several times, but no result.
Nan

"Thagor" wrote in message

y.com...
Do you see "File/Print sharing in that group? If not,
install
it
and
put
a
check in the box. Then lets see what you have. Also

recheck
the
NAME
of
the
Laptop and make sure it is recognized properly.


"Whelan" wrote in message
...
You asked "Can your router give you a list of the
computers by name and ip address?"
I don't know how to look at or communicate with the
router.
(Maybe
it's
in
the router manual.)

Re Optional Network Components,
I see something similar under Local Area Connection,

View
Status,
Properties. When highlighting either "Client for

Microsoft
Networks"
or
"Internet Protocol TCP/IP", there's a button you can

click
called
Install.
Clicking it gives you three choices: Client,

Service,
or
Protocol.
(I
saw
these Saturday but didn't think any of them

applied.)
Client lets you add Client Service for Netware.

Service
lets
you
add
Service
Advertising Protocol. Protocol lets you add

Microsoft
IPv6
Developer
Edition, Network Monitor Driver or NWLink

IPX/SPX/NetBIOS
Compatible
Transport Protocol.
Are any of those worth adding?

The computers appear the same in these settings.
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
The 'can't ping by name' sounds significant. You

haven't
got
2
computers
with the same name by any chance? Can your router

give
you
a
list
of
the
computers by name and ip address?
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in message
...
Some helpful people, Angus for one, suggested

many
things
to
try.
The firewall is off.
I've standardized the login and workgroup names

(tried
3
different
workgroup
names actually, with many reboots).

I have connected to the router (at times): a

Dell
4500
desktop,
a
Gateway
Solo 2500 (a 1998 model), a new Dell 8500 laptop

and
the
Presario
1800.
They
all have XPPro except the Gateway has 98se. They

can
all
see
each
others'
shared folders etc except the Compaq -- it can't

see
past
the
workgroup
name.

Angus told me how to "ping": They can ping each

other
by
name
and
IP
address, except the Compaq can only ping or be

pinged
by
IP
address.

The TCP/IP settings are the same on all (except

the
last
2
digits
of
the
addresses).

What are the "optional windows components? eg:

the
networks
add-ons"
that
Trai' mentions? Will I find them on the XP
installation
CD?
That might be worth a try!
Nan

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Also ensure the workgroup name is the same as

any
other
computer
on
your
home network.
Terry

"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
It seems to me, if you can access the

internet,
you
should
be
able
to
access
your network. Assuming you are using a

router
and
the
other
machines
are
networking with tcp/ip, what would the

difference
be?
Check
to
make
sure
your XP firewall is turned off.
Terry

"Whelan" wrote in

message

...
I've just been handed down my son's Compaq
Presario
1800
laptop.
(I
bought
him a replacement.)

This Presario has never been able to tap

into
our
home
network
for
printing
or file sharing (since I installed Win

XPPro
on
it
summer
2002.
However
it
can use DSL through our router. This last

week
I
have
tried
furiously
to
solve the networking problem, with lots of
advice
on
the
Dell
message
boards, but nothing works.

It looks like I will have to reformat the

hard
drive
and
reinstall
Win
XPPro
to have any hope of networking it.

Has anyone made a fresh start on a a

Presario
1800
with
XP?
Was
it
difficult
to find drivers etc to make it work? I'm

not
finding
what
I
need,
so
far,
on
the web site; it only lists Win Me and

2000.

(We did purchase an extended warranty in

July
2001...
Any
chance
Compaq
would provide support of the type I need

by
phone?)

Nan














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  #39  
Old January 10th 04, 10:19 PM
Trai' La Trash
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"tc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
More than you ever wanted to know about services and a listing of the
default at www.blackviper.com.

Just for the record I tried blackvipers XP suggestions (step by step) just
recently and it SLOWED down the machine I tried it on.
I went to www.pcpitstop.com ran the test then did the tweaks and my score
went down.
Un-did them and my score went back up.

Trai'


 




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