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"HillBillyBuddhist" writes:
.... Baddog is exactly correct and seems to know (on this topic at least :-) exactly what he's talking about. Downloading device drivers from WUD is a bad idea. Spend a little time in the Microsoft Public Newsgroups and you'll find that even Microsoft MVPs recommend obtaining drivers from the manufacturer of the device as opposed to WUD. Since it seems that everyone agrees with this, even those who many think don't have a clue and the Microsoft approved MVP's... WHY does Microsoft still provide this universally agreed bad feature? |
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"Don Taylor" wrote in message ... "HillBillyBuddhist" writes: ... Baddog is exactly correct and seems to know (on this topic at least :-) exactly what he's talking about. Downloading device drivers from WUD is a bad idea. Spend a little time in the Microsoft Public Newsgroups and you'll find that even Microsoft MVPs recommend obtaining drivers from the manufacturer of the device as opposed to WUD. Since it seems that everyone agrees with this, even those who many think don't have a clue and the Microsoft approved MVP's... WHY does Microsoft still provide this universally agreed bad feature? As explained earlier in the thread. "This is for the benefit of enterprise level hardware on which manufacturers "extended" drivers are not needed." -- D |
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Ben Myers wrote:
What's happening is that you can't trust Microsoft's update to always do the right thing. This has always been the case. As with anything else Microsoft touches, they have made software updates so damned complicated that they confuse themselves... Ben Myers Beyond that, it's in MS's best interest to only push updates that will support the lowest common denominator of hardware. If an older update supports more hardware at a slight cost of performance, the'll go that route every time. |
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"Nicholas Andrade" wrote in message ... Ben Myers wrote: What's happening is that you can't trust Microsoft's update to always do the right thing. This has always been the case. As with anything else Microsoft touches, they have made software updates so damned complicated that they confuse themselves... Ben Myers Beyond that, it's in MS's best interest to only push updates that will support the lowest common denominator of hardware. If an older update supports more hardware at a slight cost of performance, the'll go that route every time. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/maintain/DrvUpdate.mspx |
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Apparently the local NG thugs have a reading impairment. I said from the
getgo that one should get their drivers from the mfg IF current. If WinUp has a more recent driver then use the one from WinUp. Is there anyone here with a clue? Go read what the experts in the microsoft.* NGs have to say in more detail. You'll get an education. "HillBillyBuddhist" wrote in message . .. | Microsoft offer basic driver sets for popular hardware. This is for the | benefit of enterprise level hardware on which manufacturers "extended" | drivers are not needed. While some of these drivers are supplied by the | manufacturers themselves, quite often they are generic non-OEm drivers | developed by Microsoft. In general terms, these drivers are baseline | drivers, intended for installation on mission hardware with a minimum | footprint and still provide functionality. | | If there's any content to that gibber it's hard to find. | | They are not and never have been recommended as replacements or | enhancements | to the manufacturers drivers designed for consumer machines. | A simple experiment will demonstrate this; | | 1. Download the latest driver posted at Dell; save it on your HDD but | don't | install it. | 2. Download the "same" driver form the Microsoft website. Save it to your | HDD and don't install it. | | Now, simply compare the file sizes. | | Hmmm.... | | WOW, do you have any clue regarding these matters? You must claim that the | color of the website banner come into this somewhere? | Fred, Baddog is exactly correct and seems to know (on this topic at least :-) exactly what he's talking about. Downloading device drivers from WUD is a bad idea. Spend a little time in the Microsoft Public Newsgroups and you'll find that even Microsoft MVPs recommend obtaining drivers from the manufacturer of the device as opposed to WUD. As baddog correctly stated the drivers offered @ WUD basic functionality generally are missing extended functions that the manufacturers driver provide. A frequent thread in the MS Newsgroups goes something like; "I just downloaded a driver from Windows Update and now my (fill-in-the-blank) doesn't work anymore." The response is invariably, "don't get your drivers from Windows Update. Go to the manufacturers support site for your computer/device and obtain as driver there." -- Doug I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP. I was just trying to help. Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or advice herein. No warranty is expressed or implied. Your mileage may vary. See store for details. Remove shoes to E-mail. |
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ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... What's happening is that you can't trust Microsoft's update to always do the right thing. This has always been the case. As with anything else Microsoft touches, they have made software updates so damned complicated that they confuse themselves... Ben Myers The competence level and political bent is finally exposed. Most folks want good PC advice absent any non-technical agenda. |
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ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... " HW mfgs stop providing new fixes/versions at some point and often that's before MS does." Huh? This gives me the impression that Microsoft has a whole bunch of worker bees scrutinizing the drivers and fixing them up. And that's excatly what MS has for certain stability, security etc. purposes. And we are supposed to think that Microsoft is so gracious and caring that they would do this? Sure! I'd like to buy the Brooklyn Bridge while we're at it, too. Apparently you already did. First, to get hardware device drivers onto the Windows installation CD and or to get the latest versions of drivers onto the Microsoft update site, the chipset developers (e.g, Intel and VIA for motherboards; Intel, ATI and nVidia for graphics; Intel, 3com, Realtek for network cards; Conexant and PCTel for modems; Creative and ADI for audio) first pay Microsoft for the privilege of including the drivers on the install CD, then they pay to have each edition of drivers tested in Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL), and they probably pay by the megabyte for space on the update web site. WHQL DOES run some pretty extensive tests on the drivers before they are affixed with an electronic WHQL certificate and made available as updates. What a horrible nasty thing for MS to do to it's customer base. Why are updates even done by the hardware manufacturers? Three reasons. The one most people should be concerned about is to fix defects. The next is to fix glaring performance problems, such as those revealed recently by a 3rd party company testing network drivers. The third, usually the case for ATI, nVidia and Intel, is to incorporate new hardware into an omnibus driver, i.e. a single driver set that supports a wide variety of chips. Examples are Intel's 800-series motherboard chipsets and nVidia's family of graphics chips. Many hardware manufacturers, especially those of low-volume devices such as scanners and special purpose printers, often do not submit their drivers to WHQL because it is too expensive to do so. Hardware manufacturers often augment their driver sets with additional utilities, which you will not find on the Microsoft update site. OH so you mean size isn't important but what about the color of the banner on their website? Examples might be better fine-tuning of graphics capabilities (ATI, nVidia, Matrox) and additional audio features (ADI and Creative). Now where is it that the supposed Microsoft hardware driver developers enter into play in the above scenario??? ... Ben Myers DUH...outside your narrow view and agenda. |
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"Don Taylor" wrote in message ... "HillBillyBuddhist" writes: ... Baddog is exactly correct and seems to know (on this topic at least :-) exactly what he's talking about. Downloading device drivers from WUD is a bad idea. Spend a little time in the Microsoft Public Newsgroups and you'll find that even Microsoft MVPs recommend obtaining drivers from the manufacturer of the device as opposed to WUD. Since it seems that everyone agrees with this, even those who many think don't have a clue and the Microsoft approved MVP's... NOPE...only the clueless. |
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Oh? Are you a Micro$oft troll? I'm actually pretty competent at what I do,
otherwise I would be out of business. After nearly 20 years, I have learned not to swallow the Microsoft propaganda, exactly like I do not accept 100% of what any government says as the whole truth. Microsoft has a long history of building software that is just about as complicated as it can be, going back as far as the Windows 1.03 seminar I attended somewhere around 1986. As other people posting to this thread have stated and as people posting to the various Microsoft self-help NGs have stated, the Microsoft update does not always work, and, worse yet, it does not give enough information to figure out why. This is only stating the facts. It may be construed as political in a national climate where the facts and non-facts are often interchanged with politics and science. .... Ben Myers On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:31:41 GMT, "fred" wrote: ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... What's happening is that you can't trust Microsoft's update to always do the right thing. This has always been the case. As with anything else Microsoft touches, they have made software updates so damned complicated that they confuse themselves... Ben Myers The competence level and political bent is finally exposed. Most folks want good PC advice absent any non-technical agenda. |
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