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"Tim Edwards" wrote in message u... Hi, I'm looking for information on the best ways to protect my computers from power problems. I've got 2 questions: 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) Thanks Tim Edwards The correct method of protection for surges and spikes is done zones. The first is network class, this is the utilities responsibility. They have some but it is set to protect their equipment. The next zone is at the service. You can buy these from Square D, Cutler-Hammer and other manufactures. I have the Ch one on my home. It connects to two poles of a CB that does not turn off. I happened to have a spare 2 pole breaker so I used that. This device has a place to plug in your cable TV and phone. The protector is in series with those services. Last zone is the plug strip. Each zone has a let through voltage and if you read the specs on the one you have you will be amazed. Something like 330 volts is the let through on mine. Lightning is an interesting subject. As an example only, Cows die from lightning not because they are hit it is because their feet are more than 1 meter apart. Has to do with different paths and where the lightning strikes. My guess is that your Ethernet line was in the right place at the wrong time. Put the Ethernet wire in metal conduit, that is grounded on both ends and you may not have any more problems. I have heard of some enet cable that is grounded, have never seen it nor have I installed any. The only other idea I have is to get a plug/surge strip with enet connections and run the enet through the plug/surge strip. I have never seen any of these, just telephone and cable. just my quick thoughts I am sure others will have better ideas |
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Summary of how surges damage and what a surge protector
does: "Opinions on Surge Protectors?" on 7 Jul 2003 in the newsgroup alt.certification.a-plus or http://tinyurl.com/l3m9 More technical details: "Power Surge" on 29 Sept 2003 in the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware or http://tinyurl.com/p1rk First, it is wire impedance to earth; not resistance. Impedance is why the earth ground connection must be less than 3 meters. Second, determine the complete circuit path of a destructive transient. That plug-in protector could have completed a path to earth ground, destructively, via the computer. Surges must be earthed before they enter the building. Once inside the building, a destructive surge has too many paths to earth and too many appliances to damage. Also was that incoming cable earthed at the same single point that everything else is earthed - including AC electric. The all so important single point earth ground. Third, brownouts are not hardware destructive events. In fact, every time a computer or TV or whatever powers off, it suffers a brownout as the electrolytic capacitors slowly discharge. Incandescent light bulbs can be glowing at less than 40% intensity and still all properly built computers must work just fine - as demanded by industry specs. If voltage goes even lower, then computer simply shuts down - without damage. Fourth, for about the price of one or two ineffective plug-in protectors, you could have protected everything with a 'whole house' protector. That would be about $1 per protected appliance verses the $50 spent for ineffective protection. Fifth, surge protectors do nothing for blackouts, brownouts, harmonics, or noise. They only do one thing. They short circuit the wires to earth ground only during the surge. No less than 3 meter connection to earth ground? Then the adjacent surge protector only gives that surge more paths to find earth, destructively via computer. For data protection from brownouts: that is what a UPS is for. Different function located in a different location. Plug-in UPS is for blackouts and brownouts; does not address the other three problems. Building wide UPS typically address all five power problems. Tim Edwards wrote: Hi, I'm looking for information on the best ways to protect my computers from power problems. I've got 2 questions: 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) |
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Get a UPS.
I run all my equipment on a UPS. That means if the voltage gets low or cuts out, my equipment continues to work and the UPS starts singing me an annoying song to warn me. I then shut the equipment off. The Supply will carry the equipment for about 1/2 hour. this allows for an orderly shutdown. Most supplies nowdays even have the software and capability to shut down your system. .. .. I DO NOT FOLLOW MANY OF THESE NEWS GROUPS To answere me address mail to |
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"Tim Edwards" wrote in message
u... Hi, I'm looking for information on the best ways to protect my computers from power problems. I've got 2 questions: 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? I'll leave this bit for the experts.. 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) Tim, plug-in surge protectors shunt high voltage spikes to earth well enough - but the let-through voltage can still rise high enough to destroy sensitive electronics (like computers - especially newer computers). The only real, practical, way to protect your computer against brownouts, surges and the like is to install a *quality* uninterruptible power supply (UPS). There are three types to choose from: 1. "Off-line" - the cheapies you find in K-Mart, Dick Smith and Tandy. These units have little or no real surge protection (you blow up the UPS, not the computer it's attached to) and only switch to battery when the mains fails. 2. "Line Interactive" - an off-line unit with a few more features. Some surge protection and switching to battery anytime the mains goes much above or below the correct output voltage. 3. "On-line" - works off the battery all the time. The mains supply simply keeps the battery charged. These units are more expensive mainly because the batteries must be larger and be rated for constant use. Surge protection is guaranteed by the complete isolation of your computer from the incoming mains. As with most things, you get what you pay for. To protect a PC, a line-interactive or true on-line UPS is the only way to go. The better brands include Powerware, MGE, APC.. Cheaper units like Sola have less surge protection and *will* need to be replaced after a decent surge. In this country, everyone with an expensive computer setup should be connected to a UPS. You don't need a big one either - A$400 will get you a Powerware 5115 500VA one - more than enough for one PC. Hope this helps, Cameron:-) |
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Effective surge and spike protection for computers?
Hi,
I'm looking for information on the best ways to protect my computers from power problems. I've got 2 questions: 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) Thanks Tim Edwards |
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"Tim Edwards" wrote in message u... Hi, I'm looking for information on the best ways to protect my computers from power problems. I've got 2 questions: 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) Thanks Tim Edwards More then likely the surge came from the other computers down the cat5 and into your net card where it found an easy path to ground. You need a whole house surge arrestor that is installed properly by a licensed electrician. Ask for a Square D brand. Use the powerstrips also but buy the best you can find and replace the old ones. Lane |
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"Tim Edwards" wrote in message
u... 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? Interconnected computer equipment should all be on the same power strip, or do not use parallel "shunt" type suppressors (which 99% are). During a big spike, a shunt mode discharges the surge to ground. Each device doing this can end up with its ground potential quite a bit different from the others. If there are paths between these devices (like a cat5 or coax cable), the voltage surge can fry the line drivers. Lightning can do weird things, and no matter what you do sometimes you still lose. 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) I'd suggest the following: Verify your electrical service is well grounded -- multiple rods and preferably a buried metal pipe too. Install a parallel "shunt" type surge suppressor at the electrical service entrance. Consider only series type surge suppressors for the computer and network equipment (or a real UPS). Read more he http://www.surgeprotect.com/brickwal...ce=businesscom Consider changing all interfaces between equipment not on the same outlet or power strip to fiber optics. -- Mark Kent, WA |
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Tim Edwards wrote: Hi, I'm looking for information on the best ways to protect my computers from power problems. I've got 2 questions: 1)I recently lost a network card to a lightening strike. My computer's power was connected to one of those $50 powerstrips and it was undamaged. The network card was connected to a 10 metre cat5 network cable that runs under the house on the underside of the floorboards to the switch in the other room. None of the other computers or networking equipment were damaged. Why would my network card be the only component damaged? I thought at first it was because it was the only part not connected to the surge protector. But if that was so why wasn't anything in the other room (including the cable modem - the only external connection on the network) damaged? Could it be because the power board simply shunted the surge voltage and it went into the computer and down the net cable as a path of least resistance to ground? 2) As the great Australian summer approaches with lightning storms, strong winds and even bushfires which cause sustained power brownouts and surges as they burn under high-voltage lines I'm looking for the best way to protect my computers and network. I've read in a lot of newsgroups that plugin surge protectors are useless as they have offer no real earth ground - at least not one that is lower reistance than the computer or device itself. They are not useless. They clamp the voltage that the plugged in device "sees" across hot-neutral and hot-ground at the equipment plug to a level that is safe for that equipment. They can be less effective when the plugged in equipment has another path to ground besides the ground prong on its line cord. Such may be the case when you network - there may be a path via the network cable (through something connected to it) to ground. If the network is connected to the phone lines, it can find a path that way. (And a surge can come in on the phone wires, too.) What do people have to say about this? Even if this is so are they worthwhile for protecting against brown outs and subsequent surges caused by non-lightning events such as wind blowing powerlines over or bushfires burning under them? (a very real problem in this part of Sydney during bushfire season) They won't help for brown outs. Thanks Tim Edwards |
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Thanks to everyone who replied. If the power strip is to blame for sending a surge down the network cable would it be because it is too far from an earth ground? It is on a normal 3 prong plug but the room that its in is more than 3 metres from the metre box. Are there other points, besides the metre box, where the 3rd wire reaches earth ground in a typical house wiring setup? Also does anyone have any suggestions for a good whole-house surge protector - good brands? expected pricing? any that can be installed DIY? And does anyone know of any companies here in Sydney Australia who do installations or sell these things? Thanks Tim Edwards |
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Essential to earthing a surge is the single point earth
ground. Earthing at multiple points can mean a surge uses household appliances to destructively obtain that other earth ground rod. For example, if earth that a surge seeks is to the east, then a surge that strikes western side utility wires or even west side earth can travel into the the house via west side utility wire or via west side earth ground rod, then pass destructively through household appliances, then enter earth via the east side ground rod. Earthing is a concept called equipotential. One way to create this equipotential is a single point earth ground. To make it more effective, the more serious buildings connect that single point ground also to a big loop that surrounds the building, or to Ufer ground in the foundation footings, or wire mesh embedded in the concrete floor - all connected to that single point ground. The only connection between interior grounds to that earth ground is a single point. BTW, computer motherboards should be attached to chassis using the same principle (only one conductive standoff) for same electrical reasons. Yes, the connection from a wire to earth ground must be less than three meters which is why receptacle grounds are not earth grounds. Those receptacle grounds are safety grounds - to connect to breaker box single point safety ground. Breaker box safety ground does connect to earth ground. But they are distinctly different grounds, wired together, so that the same grounding wires accomplish multiple solutions. Some examples of 'whole house' protectors: AC electric http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/furse06.htm Telephone http://www.one.co.uk/catalogue/teleb...otect/22PX.HTM http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/furse11.htm Network http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/furse08.htm http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/furse07.htm http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/furse19.htm Tim Edwards wrote: Thanks to everyone who replied. If the power strip is to blame for sending a surge down the network cable would it be because it is too far from an earth ground? It is on a normal 3 prong plug but the room that its in is more than 3 metres from the metre box. Are there other points, besides the metre box, where the 3rd wire reaches earth ground in a typical house wiring setup? Also does anyone have any suggestions for a good whole-house surge protector - good brands? expected pricing? any that can be installed DIY? And does anyone know of any companies here in Sydney Australia who do installations or sell these things? |
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