Apple Dumps IBM/ Does Apple Have A Secret Plan?

I might also suggest a bit of massaging of your text to make it clearer
why you are saying what you are saying, and to add a bit more analysis
and support for your contentions. At this point, much of what you have
said is just a restatement of other web sites, along with some slightly
fuzzy text assigning motives. For example, "It is Jobs belief that" is
making a statement of SJ's opinions, and we do not really know them.
What we _do_ know is what he said on stage, so say "At WWDC 2005, he
said ...", then follow it with "At this point, Apple is shipping a 1.67
GHz powerbook, which competes with Intel products at 3.something GHz.
Benchmarks indicate that the gap is narrower than this might indicate
reference here, but the gap between desktop and laptop Macintosh
speeds is widening. timeline here"

This then gives people something specific to argue with. Essentially,
without that, and without hard, practical statements to back those
arguments up, people will not see things worth debating. (In other
words, while you 'agree on some aspects of the switch', the previous
paragraph consists only of potential problems, all of which have been
debated already.)

I understand what you are saying, providing hard facts to back up
statements. There is a lot of hard facts to back up statements, via
bench marks etc., like say an AMD vs Intel discussion. However you have
to consider the nature of this topic. Right now it's all speculation
but in a few years the real reasons why the switch was done will
probably be revealed. For our report we decided that the "hard facts"
was what CEO of Apple said at his recent keynote conference. We did not
make up anything. After that it was followed by speculation of the
implications of the switch. Our main purpose was to create a healthy
discussion. You do not need to be an expert. For example there could
have been something that we missed or said incorrectly.

quoting Ward McFarlane on my other thread:
The one reason I see rarely mentioned that I think was the critical one
for Jobs is that Intel offers hardware DRM. Apple's success with its
music download business and Job's contacts with the movie industry
means
to me that he wants to pioneer the legitimate movie download business
as
well. The movie industry would likely love such a thing, but would
*absolutely* require a really solid DRM system to permit it. Plus, it
gives Apple another competitive advantage for enhancing their music
business.

-- w

This comment makes a lot of sense. Apple's success with Itunes,
actually getting people to buy music rather than steal it is
unbelievable. If they use the same model for movies, it could change
the movie industry forever. However software DRM has not been received
kindly kindly by consumers, and hardware DRM is another story.

Seydou Bangoura
Robert Sones

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:29:07 -0400, Carlos Moreno
wrote:

Seydou Bangoura wrote:
What's a "Windows machine" ?

I'm glad you pointed that out Grumble. That was one of our concerns
when we were writing this paper. What term do you use for a computer
that runs Windows? You can't use the term IBM compatible or IBM clone
anymore. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Shouldn't you know that from your course? :-)

To aggravate even further the issue, Windows (certain versions of
Windows, at least) run on a variety of hardware that goes beyond
the PC/Intel architecture.

So no, saying a "machine that traditionally runs Windows" doesn't
solve the problem.

I think the term "PC" (or "PC architecture") reflects what you were
trying to say -- saying Intel, or x86 architecture may be misleading
nowadays, given that AMD jumped in with their AMD64 architecture,
which fits with the PC.

Carlos

AMD64, aka x86-64, aka EM64T, aka iAMD64 ;-) , is an extension of x86
architecture, and, as such, a part of x86 family.

On 23 Jun 2005 21:50:00 -0700, "Seydou Bangoura"
wrote:

....snip...
Which viewpoint do you agree with, if any? Please provide appropriate
criticisms and arguments, as this assignment will be evaluated based on
the quality of discussion and feedback.

Seydou Bangoura
Robert Sones

And what if you find my comments inappropriate? What you gonna do?
Hack me? Wipe out my hard drive? Go ahead, try it. I can even
provide my IP address for that purpose - it is 127.0.0.1 ;-)

Robert Myers et al:

Thank you for your time and comments.

Robert Meyers: eWeek, CNET and many others were the main sources of our
research, as Carlos (out teacher) pointed out.

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John Biltz: "It's hardware not software where they make their
money."

True enough, especially with the iPod taking off, as it has. However
how do you separate hardware and software when it comes to Apple? They
are so closely tied together - boxes people can't clone and an OS
dependant on that box. One of the reasons that OS X works so well is
that "they" have control over the hardware.

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notdisputandum.com:

I am personally not worried at all about the switch. I also use both
Macs and PCs. The problem many people seem to fear is the future
direction of Apple. Does it compete head to head, OS X with Windows?
Do they open up and allow cloning of their hardware? Do they allow
Windows to be put on an Apple box. Do they modify OS X so it can be
installed on any PC? Right now it is all speculation.

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Carlos: You are correct about Intel/AMD and part of our presentation
will be about AMD. We kept it out of the original posting & paper only
because we were limited in size.

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Norm: In reference to Balderstone: Although there is much more
"chaff" than substance, we have learned a lot. This is very
interesting, informative and definitely educational.

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Tom Stiller: Thanks for the financial data - very interesting.

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Scott Ellsworth: Like I said earlier, this is all new to us. Your
points about "messaging your text" are well taken. At this point
java.net & orerilly.net are not part of our assignment, since the
purpose of this was to post on newsgroups such as this. That said
however, I will definitely check them out.

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Ward McFarland (from the other thread): That's an interesting point
about Apple moving over to the movie industry. In all the research we
did on this subject, you are the first to mention this as a possibility
and it seems to make good business sense. Most of the speculation has
been about the possibility of sharing platforms/apps with Windows (and
Linux).


Seydou Bangoura
Robert Sones

Seydou Bangoura wrote:
What's a "Windows machine" ?

I'm glad you pointed that out Grumble. That was one of our concerns
when we were writing this paper. What term do you use for a computer
that runs Windows? You can't use the term IBM compatible or IBM clone
anymore. Does anyone have any suggestions?


Yeah, recently (in the last several years) they've taken to calling what
they used to call IBM PC-compatibles as Wintel machines. Then the Linux
advocates objected saying Linux also runs on these machines, so the term
Lintel was born. AMD supporters are also correct in saying that the *tel
part (referring to Intel) is not accurrate either. There really is only
one common denominator amongst all of these machines and that is that it
includes an x86-compatible processor, either from AMD or Intel or
somebody else. So the most generic and accurate term is x86 computer.

Even with the addition of the 64-bit extensions to x86, it would still
be considered part of the x86 family. If however you want to refer to
just the 64-bit extensions in isolation of the rest of x86, then you can
call it generically x64 (which is short for x86-64).

Yousuf Khan

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:24:47 -0500, Daniel L. Snyder wrote:

In article ,
Tom Stiller wrote:

In article .com,
"Seydou Bangoura" wrote:

Which viewpoint do you agree with, if any? Please provide appropriate
criticisms and arguments, as this assignment will be evaluated based on
the quality of discussion and feedback.

What did "Deep Throat" say? "Follow the money." Where does Apple make
its money?

iPods and iTunes Store

....and cell phones are about to take away the MP3 player market. The iPod
is last-year's news. What's next?

--
Keith

In article ,
keith wrote:

cell phones are about to take away the MP3 player market. The iPod
is last-year's news. What's next?

Apple have iPhone sitting there ...
http://www.iphone.org/

m-

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:16:37 +1000, michael wrote:

In article ,
keith wrote:

cell phones are about to take away the MP3 player market. The iPod
is last-year's news. What's next?

Apple have iPhone sitting there ...
http://www.iphone.org/

Do you really think they can be competative in this market? I don't.

--
Keith

In article ,
keith wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:16:37 +1000, michael wrote:

In article ,
keith wrote:

cell phones are about to take away the MP3 player market. The iPod
is last-year's news. What's next?

Apple have iPhone sitting there ...
http://www.iphone.org/

Do you really think they can be competative in this market? I don't.

I was sceptical about iTunes but that's turned out a big money earner ...

My choice would be a wireless A4 tablet with handwriting/speech
recognition - I notice Tiger has a 'portrait' option for the Desktop so
that must be there for some reason ..

m-

In article , keith
wrote:

...and cell phones are about to take away the MP3 player market. The iPod
is last-year's news. What's next?

I wouldn't bet on that just yet. And I'm probably one of the few people
on the planet that refuses to have a cell phone.