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Old PC - ASUS P5A-B - Will not boot Linux (Ubuntu)
PC Will not boot Linux
I set up my PC BIOS to like this: size cyls heads sectors Pri Master HD1 USER 20515 2494 255 63 LBA Sec Master (CD) AUTO The option for LARGE/NORMAL is: 39761 cyls, 16 heads (which I think corresponds to the physical layout of the HDD) I partitioned my HD: Number type size format partition #1 primary 63.9M ext3 /boot (bootable) #5 logical 1G ext3 / #6 logical 1G ext3 /home #7 logical 6G ext3 /usr #8 logical 10.7G ext3 /var #9 logical 1G ext3 /tmp #3 primary 624M swap swap The above is a summary of the info Ubuntu partitioning utility gives me. All partitions were formatted. Only one partition is bootable (/boot). Ubuntu (v4.10) installed itself without complaint after I had finished partitioning and then instructed me to remove the CD, which I did. I altered the BIOS boot sequence to boot C, A [but the original CDROM, A, C sequence won't boot from HDD either] During bootup attempt I see the following message: "Detecting HDD Secondary Master ... ATAPI 52x CDROM" It hangs around there for about a minute then tells me it can't boot. THERE IS NO MENTION OF IT "Detecting HDD Primary Master". The final error message is: "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" Above that error message BIOS indicates the following fixed disks: Primary Master: CHS, Mode 0, 20521 MB Secondary Master: CDROM, UDMA2 The jumpers are correctly set in the HDD and CDROM (both masters) PS: Previously the ROM would show that the HDD was mode 3 (or 4) not mode 0. (When running under Windows) The Mobo BIOS is: ASUS P5A-B (bios rev 1010, 24-02-2000) with AMD K6-II 550 MHz chip, 256 M RAM Some BIOS settings a HDD SMART capability: enabled IDE HDD Block Mode Sectors: HDD MAX IDE Ultra DMA Mode: enabled AGP Bus Turbo Mode enabled Q: Did I make a fundamental mistake in partitioning my disk for Linux. If so what should my partitions have been and why did Ubuntu install itself without errors (if I made mistakes)? Q: Given that I've run this HDD under Windows using Ultra DMA mode, how suspicious is it that my computer tells me that the HDD is "CHS, Mode 0" Q: Is there a way to find out which particular Mobo / BIOS versions have been tested for Ubuntu Linux? Q: Should I burn the BIOS with an earlier version (earlier than 1010), to try to get it working? [I think I already have the most recent BIOS] Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? Q: Should I switch off "AGP Bus Turbo Mode" and try again - or can't this possibly affect the HDD? Q: Should I give up? |
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"mark4asp" skrev i meddelandet ... PC Will not boot Linux I set up my PC BIOS to like this: size cyls heads sectors Pri Master HD1 USER 20515 2494 255 63 LBA Sec Master (CD) AUTO The option for LARGE/NORMAL is: 39761 cyls, 16 heads (which I think corresponds to the physical layout of the HDD) I partitioned my HD: Number type size format partition #1 primary 63.9M ext3 /boot (bootable) #5 logical 1G ext3 / #6 logical 1G ext3 /home #7 logical 6G ext3 /usr #8 logical 10.7G ext3 /var #9 logical 1G ext3 /tmp #3 primary 624M swap swap The above is a summary of the info Ubuntu partitioning utility gives me. All partitions were formatted. Only one partition is bootable (/boot). Ubuntu (v4.10) installed itself without complaint after I had finished partitioning and then instructed me to remove the CD, which I did. I altered the BIOS boot sequence to boot C, A [but the original CDROM, A, C sequence won't boot from HDD either] During bootup attempt I see the following message: "Detecting HDD Secondary Master ... ATAPI 52x CDROM" It hangs around there for about a minute then tells me it can't boot. THERE IS NO MENTION OF IT "Detecting HDD Primary Master". The final error message is: "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" Above that error message BIOS indicates the following fixed disks: Primary Master: CHS, Mode 0, 20521 MB Secondary Master: CDROM, UDMA2 The jumpers are correctly set in the HDD and CDROM (both masters) PS: Previously the ROM would show that the HDD was mode 3 (or 4) not mode 0. (When running under Windows) The Mobo BIOS is: ASUS P5A-B (bios rev 1010, 24-02-2000) with AMD K6-II 550 MHz chip, 256 M RAM Some BIOS settings a HDD SMART capability: enabled IDE HDD Block Mode Sectors: HDD MAX IDE Ultra DMA Mode: enabled AGP Bus Turbo Mode enabled Q: Did I make a fundamental mistake in partitioning my disk for Linux. If so what should my partitions have been and why did Ubuntu install itself without errors (if I made mistakes)? Q: Given that I've run this HDD under Windows using Ultra DMA mode, how suspicious is it that my computer tells me that the HDD is "CHS, Mode 0" Q: Is there a way to find out which particular Mobo / BIOS versions have been tested for Ubuntu Linux? Q: Should I burn the BIOS with an earlier version (earlier than 1010), to try to get it working? [I think I already have the most recent BIOS] Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? Q: Should I switch off "AGP Bus Turbo Mode" and try again - or can't this possibly affect the HDD? Q: Should I give up? Seems like it's not a Linux problem, reset bios to default settings, have the HDD in Auto mode. |
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mark4asp wrote:
Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? LBA Mode? I thought that it was in Normal mode. Maybe I didn't understand the start of your message. Set the mode to "Normal" in the BIOS, then partition the drive and install the software. I also recommend that you switch off "SMART" disk monitoring. This causes problems on some machines. Regards, Mark. -- Mark Hobley 393 Quinton Road West QUINTON Birmingham B32 1QE Reply to: markhobley at hotpop dot do_not_type_this_bit com http://markhobley.yi.org/ |
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mark4asp writes:
I partitioned my HD: Number type size format partition #1 primary 63.9M ext3 /boot (bootable) #5 logical 1G ext3 / #6 logical 1G ext3 /home #7 logical 6G ext3 /usr #8 logical 10.7G ext3 /var #9 logical 1G ext3 /tmp #3 primary 624M swap swap ^^^^ Does this mean the swap partition is last on the disk? That's not a good idea, if swap is ever used it should be pretty fast (best put directly after /boot at the beginning of the disk). Unfortunately this output is rather short. Could you perhaps try to see what "fdisk -l" issued from a console tells you (should be available via Alt-F2 or Alt-F3 from most Linux installation media). THERE IS NO MENTION OF IT "Detecting HDD Primary Master". The final error message is: "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" That probably means the boot sector in the mbr of your disk sees no active partition. Have you checked wether your bootable /boot partition is also the (only) active partition? You could check this from your Ubuntu boot media or any other system with partitioning utility you have on a bootable cd (even Windows XP cd will do). Q: Did I make a fundamental mistake in partitioning my disk for Linux. If so what should my partitions have been and why did Ubuntu install itself without errors (if I made mistakes)? Not in any way to prevent booting per se. Q: Given that I've run this HDD under Windows using Ultra DMA mode, how suspicious is it that my computer tells me that the HDD is "CHS, Mode 0" What part of your computer tells you this? Q: Is there a way to find out which particular Mobo / BIOS versions have been tested for Ubuntu Linux? This is mostly a question specific to the Linux kernel. Ubuntu takes most modifications from debian, so you might want to search both projects' pages. But because your system doesn't even load the boot loader it's not relevant to your problem. And the fact that the install went fine tells me that all hardware absolutely necessary is working fine. Q: Should I burn the BIOS with an earlier version (earlier than 1010), to try to get it working? [I think I already have the most recent BIOS] Not unless you find a specific problem report. Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? Not really. I think that might one day have been useful for relatively old operating systems (think older than Win95). Q: Should I switch off "AGP Bus Turbo Mode" and try again - or can't this possibly affect the HDD? I don't see any obvious connection but can't give any good recommendation either. Q: Should I give up? Not at all, you are probably just stuck with a very simple problem. Not seeing the wood for all the trees as we say in Germany is just so normal for human beings, that even a moment of contemplation can give you just the right idea how to tackle this. Thomas Jahns -- "Computers are good at following instructions, but not at reading your mind." D. E. Knuth, The TeXbook, Addison-Wesley 1984, 1986, 1996, p. 9 |
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Do not forget to disable the virus protection in the bios to give Linux
acces to the Master Boot Record. The best place for Lilo is the master boot record of the first harddisk. You can restor the Master boot record Whith a Windows 89 floppy containing fdisk. command is fdisk /mbr The rest of the bios settings cen be left standard. "Thomas Jahns" schreef in bericht ... mark4asp writes: I partitioned my HD: Number type size format partition #1 primary 63.9M ext3 /boot (bootable) #5 logical 1G ext3 / #6 logical 1G ext3 /home #7 logical 6G ext3 /usr #8 logical 10.7G ext3 /var #9 logical 1G ext3 /tmp #3 primary 624M swap swap ^^^^ Does this mean the swap partition is last on the disk? That's not a good idea, if swap is ever used it should be pretty fast (best put directly after /boot at the beginning of the disk). Unfortunately this output is rather short. Could you perhaps try to see what "fdisk -l" issued from a console tells you (should be available via Alt-F2 or Alt-F3 from most Linux installation media). THERE IS NO MENTION OF IT "Detecting HDD Primary Master". The final error message is: "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" That probably means the boot sector in the mbr of your disk sees no active partition. Have you checked wether your bootable /boot partition is also the (only) active partition? You could check this from your Ubuntu boot media or any other system with partitioning utility you have on a bootable cd (even Windows XP cd will do). Q: Did I make a fundamental mistake in partitioning my disk for Linux. If so what should my partitions have been and why did Ubuntu install itself without errors (if I made mistakes)? Not in any way to prevent booting per se. Q: Given that I've run this HDD under Windows using Ultra DMA mode, how suspicious is it that my computer tells me that the HDD is "CHS, Mode 0" What part of your computer tells you this? Q: Is there a way to find out which particular Mobo / BIOS versions have been tested for Ubuntu Linux? This is mostly a question specific to the Linux kernel. Ubuntu takes most modifications from debian, so you might want to search both projects' pages. But because your system doesn't even load the boot loader it's not relevant to your problem. And the fact that the install went fine tells me that all hardware absolutely necessary is working fine. Q: Should I burn the BIOS with an earlier version (earlier than 1010), to try to get it working? [I think I already have the most recent BIOS] Not unless you find a specific problem report. Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? Not really. I think that might one day have been useful for relatively old operating systems (think older than Win95). Q: Should I switch off "AGP Bus Turbo Mode" and try again - or can't this possibly affect the HDD? I don't see any obvious connection but can't give any good recommendation either. Q: Should I give up? Not at all, you are probably just stuck with a very simple problem. Not seeing the wood for all the trees as we say in Germany is just so normal for human beings, that even a moment of contemplation can give you just the right idea how to tackle this. Thomas Jahns -- "Computers are good at following instructions, but not at reading your mind." D. E. Knuth, The TeXbook, Addison-Wesley 1984, 1986, 1996, p. 9 |
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"Thomas Jahns" wrote in message ... mark4asp writes: I partitioned my HD: Number type size format partition #1 primary 63.9M ext3 /boot (bootable) #5 logical 1G ext3 / #6 logical 1G ext3 /home #7 logical 6G ext3 /usr #8 logical 10.7G ext3 /var #9 logical 1G ext3 /tmp #3 primary 624M swap swap ^^^^ Does this mean the swap partition is last on the disk? That's not a good idea, if swap is ever used it should be pretty fast (best put directly after /boot at the beginning of the disk). Unfortunately this output is rather short. Could you perhaps try to see what "fdisk -l" issued from a console tells you (should be available via Alt-F2 or Alt-F3 from most Linux installation media). I would have thought so also, but if my memory serves me right, when you let the install program auto partition your drive it sets up a seemingly ridiculous number of partitions and puts the swap at the end. Perhaps if you have multiple devices you might want to mount them differently, but IMHO the best utilization of space on a single disk is a swap and root. |
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mark4asp wrote:
Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? Set the mode to "Normal" in the BIOS, then partition the drive and install the software. I also recommend that you switch off "SMART" disk monitoring. This causes problems on some machines. 1) I checked the disk jumpers again - both set to Master Ok, Master is fine. 2) I reset the BIOS to LOAD BIOS DEFAULTS, followed by LOAD SETUP DEFAULTS Ok, check that the drive configuration is "Normal". You do not want LBA. 4) Auto detected disks (& found the HDD) Switch to "Normal", if this has not occured. 5) Set disk config for master (no secondaries present) disks to for HDD / CDROM to: type cont size cyls heads secs mode USER PRI 20521 39761 16 63 NORMAL AUTO SEC 0 0 0 0 NORMAL Ok 6) Booted a Win98 startup floppy, Ran FDISK, Got an ERROR: "No Fixed Disks Present" Ok. How big is the hard disk ? I am not sure why its not seeing the hard disk. This could be a bios or hardware problem. How big is the hard disk ? Q: If my Linux partition software can see the disk why cant floppy disk utils such as FDISK and PM8 ? Ok, reboot and try again. There seems to be a very serious error here if neither DOS "fdisk /mbr", not PM8 can see the HDD. It looks like either a HDD or controller error to me. Maybe. Check the cables and try again. When you boot the machine, sometimes the BIOS displays on the screen what drives are present. Have a look to see if yours is listed. If the Linux tools are consistently seeing the drive, but the DOS ones are not, I would not worry too much. Just drop Linux on there. Maybe create a partition at the end of the drive and run badblocks -w Or better still, if you have a boot CDROM with this capability run badblocks against the whole drive. If no bad blocks are order, then I'd live with it. Just remember to back up regularly. You should always do this anyway. Regards, Mark. -- Mark Hobley 393 Quinton Road West QUINTON Birmingham B32 1QE Reply to: markhobley at hotpop dot do_not_type_this_bit com http://markhobley.yi.org/ |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:51:59 +0000, mark4asp wrote:
PC Will not boot Linux I set up my PC BIOS to like this: size cyls heads sectors Pri Master HD1 USER 20515 2494 255 63 LBA Sec Master (CD) AUTO The option for LARGE/NORMAL is: 39761 cyls, 16 heads (which I think corresponds to the physical layout of the HDD) I partitioned my HD: Number type size format partition #1 primary 63.9M ext3 /boot (bootable) #5 logical 1G ext3 / #6 logical 1G ext3 /home #7 logical 6G ext3 /usr #8 logical 10.7G ext3 /var #9 logical 1G ext3 /tmp #3 primary 624M swap swap The above is a summary of the info Ubuntu partitioning utility gives me. All partitions were formatted. Only one partition is bootable (/boot). Ubuntu (v4.10) installed itself without complaint after I had finished partitioning and then instructed me to remove the CD, which I did. I altered the BIOS boot sequence to boot C, A [but the original CDROM, A, C sequence won't boot from HDD either] During bootup attempt I see the following message: "Detecting HDD Secondary Master ... ATAPI 52x CDROM" It hangs around there for about a minute then tells me it can't boot. THERE IS NO MENTION OF IT "Detecting HDD Primary Master". The final error message is: "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" Above that error message BIOS indicates the following fixed disks: Primary Master: CHS, Mode 0, 20521 MB Secondary Master: CDROM, UDMA2 The jumpers are correctly set in the HDD and CDROM (both masters) PS: Previously the ROM would show that the HDD was mode 3 (or 4) not mode 0. (When running under Windows) Get it working in BIOS setup (read below), then reformat in linux when specifying LBA mode. The Mobo BIOS is: ASUS P5A-B (bios rev 1010, 24-02-2000) with AMD K6-II 550 MHz chip, 256 M RAM I am not near the computers I manage which are using the P5A. I know I have one system with the P5A with a 40G hard disk and the onboard ALi chipset hard disk contoller with a 40G disk. I had to upgrade the BIOS at some point to cross the 32G barrier. Some BIOS settings a HDD SMART capability: enabled IDE HDD Block Mode Sectors: HDD MAX IDE Ultra DMA Mode: enabled AGP Bus Turbo Mode enabled Q: Did I make a fundamental mistake in partitioning my disk for Linux. If so what should my partitions have been and why did Ubuntu install itself without errors (if I made mistakes)? Q: Given that I've run this HDD under Windows using Ultra DMA mode, how suspicious is it that my computer tells me that the HDD is "CHS, Mode 0" That is the key. Q: Is there a way to find out which particular Mobo / BIOS versions have been tested for Ubuntu Linux? You want kernel support for the ALi chipset. I don't use Ubuntu, but I think it should support ALi. Look at the kernel configuration file for this entry: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3=y Q: Should I burn the BIOS with an earlier version (earlier than 1010), to try to get it working? [I think I already have the most recent BIOS] No. If it is most recent, then it should work. Q: Should I change the BIOS settings for the HD (from LBA to LARGE) ? No, use LBA. Q: Should I switch off "AGP Bus Turbo Mode" and try again - or can't this possibly affect the HDD? Don't know. Q: Should I give up? Not unless you're a quitter. ;-) Note: part of response inline. Within BIOS setup, specify to autodetect your hard drive type- do not specify CHS. There is a menu entry within the BIOS setup of this motherboard which will show what is presently detected. If your hard drive is not "detected" in that environment, then there could be a hardware on another problem. Usually, 32G is a BIOS limit for older boards, not the 20G you are using. So, I would expect the drive to be autodetected correctly. By specifying CHS as a "user" type, it appears to override any autodetected information. Also, I think that you want to boot/format linux in LBA mode. -- Chandra: HAL was told to lie - by people who find it easy to lie. HAL doesn't know how. http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0086837/quotes |
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