Everything hesitating or stuttering; Fixed by replacing the drive, but now happening again

Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread at http://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.

It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.

Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)

Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

--
Nehmo

"Nehmo" wrote in message
ups.com...
Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread at http://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.

It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.

Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)

Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

--
Nehmo


Check your 12v/5v rail voltages.
Are you using the same ribbon/sata cable?
Sata controller header 1 / 2 try swapping
IDE try the secondary.

On Aug 30, 12:50 pm, "JAD" john
wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message

ups.com...



Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread athttp://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.

It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.

Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)

Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

--
Nehmo

Check your 12v/5v rail voltages.
Are you using the same ribbon/sata cable?
Sata controller header 1 / 2 try swapping
IDE try the secondary.

It's a laptop, Compaq Presario v2000 http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2580
.. I don't think there is a secondary.
Are you suggesting the voltage may be too high and that that is
burning out the drives?
Does the SMART data from the new drive look bad? It doesn't have the
suspicious ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing") item
that the old drive had.
--
Nehmo

"Nehmo" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 30, 12:50 pm, "JAD" john
wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message

ups.com...



Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread athttp://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.

It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.

Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)

Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

--
Nehmo

Check your 12v/5v rail voltages.
Are you using the same ribbon/sata cable?
Sata controller header 1 / 2 try swapping
IDE try the secondary.

It's a laptop, Compaq Presario v2000
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2580

OIC

. I don't think there is a secondary.
Are you suggesting the voltage may be too high and that that is
burning out the drives?

check the walwarts(power supply) output. I was thinking more like 'undervoltage'.
If yours will run without the battery, while plugged into the power supply, try that.




Does the SMART data from the new drive look bad? It doesn't have the
suspicious ("C5

many times this info is misleading. I do not rely soley on this diag.

Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing") item
that the old drive had.
--
Nehmo

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nehmo wrote:
Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread at http://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.

It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.

Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)

Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing

50C is rather hot. If it exceeds that it may get semoconductor malfunction
(such as decreased read amplifier performance) due to obverheating. The
"90" in the "worst" column indicates that it gets even hotter from time
to time.

C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal


Ok, the nly suspicuous thing I find is the drive temperature.
While this is a 5400 rpm drive, this drive has a rather high idle
power consumption, using 2W.

That may be all there is to it.

Arno

On Aug 30, 6:03 pm, Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nehmo wrote:



Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread athttp://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.
It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.
Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)
Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing

50C is rather hot. If it exceeds that it may get semoconductor malfunction
(such as decreased read amplifier performance) due to obverheating. The
"90" in the "worst" column indicates that it gets even hotter from time
to time.

C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

Ok, the nly suspicuous thing I find is the drive temperature.
While this is a 5400 rpm drive, this drive has a rather high idle
power consumption, using 2W.

That may be all there is to it.

Arno


What do you mean "all there is to it"? Why is the drive too hot, and
what should I do abut it?
--
Nehmo

One way to possibly help rule out a heat problem is to put a cold
towel (ie, cooled in a refrig or freezer) under the notebook and see
if the problem persists

Nehmo wrote:

Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread at http://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and replaced
it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad
("C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing").
The drive replacement solved the problem until today.

It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this new drive.

The SMART report is fine tho, so it looks like you had a
bad drive and the symptoms are due to something else.

I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to
see if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.

Is the new drive bad too?

Nope, that SMART report is fine.

Any ideas?

See below.

Ron, I hope you're out there :-)

In here actually |-)

Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)

ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing

Thats rather high. Its showing 50C can that may well be the problem.

Thats poor drive cooling.

C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

Nehmo wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:03 pm, Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nehmo
wrote:



Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread athttp://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad
("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.
It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to
see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.
Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there
:-)
Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data
Status 01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7
OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516
OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100
103 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 140
200 200 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 51
100 253 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count
0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry
Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0B
Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value
is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92
OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK:
Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK:
Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always
passing

50C is rather hot. If it exceeds that it may get semoconductor
malfunction (such as decreased read amplifier performance) due to
obverheating. The "90" in the "worst" column indicates that it gets
even hotter from time to time.

C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0
OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253
0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0
200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK:
Value is normal

Ok, the nly suspicuous thing I find is the drive temperature.
While this is a 5400 rpm drive, this drive has a rather high idle
power consumption, using 2W.

That may be all there is to it.

What do you mean "all there is to it"?

That the only problem is that the drive is running at too high a temperature.

Why is the drive too hot,

Normally because its not getting enough cooling, enough airflow over the drive.

and what should I do abut it?

Work out why its not getting enough airflow over the drive.

See if the fan inside the laptop is clogged up with fur.

Make sure you arent blocking the air intakes for the laptop, it isnt hard with some
laptops, just putting it on a soft thing like a seat can do that with some laptops.

What room temperature were you seeing when you got that 50C drive temp ?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nehmo wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:03 pm, Arno Wagner wrote:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Nehmo wrote:



Not so long ago, I posted about a problem I had with the hard drive:
http://snipurl.com/1q4s3, another thread athttp://snipurl.com/1q4sz
Everything was hesitating or stuttering. I cloned the drive and
replaced it, because the SMART results indicated it was going bad ("C5
Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 19 OK: Always passing"). The
drive replacement solved the problem until today.
It seems I'm having the same problem - the same symptoms - with this
new drive. I haven't done much to fix it yet. I'm defraging now to see
if that helps. Below are the current SMART results.
Is the new drive bad too? Any ideas? Ron, I hope you're out there :-)
Device Description
WDC WD800BEVE-11UYT0 (WD-WXH607044547)
ID Attribute Description Threshold Value Worst Data Status
01 Raw Read Error Rate 51 200 200 7 OK: Value is normal
03 Spin Up Time 21 189 188 1516 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 103 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 140 200 200 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 100 100 373 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 51 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 92 OK: Always passing
C0 Power-Off Retract Count 0 200 200 7 OK: Always passing
C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 0 197 197 10827 OK: Always passing
C2 Temperature 0 97 90 50 OK: Always passing

50C is rather hot. If it exceeds that it may get semoconductor malfunction
(such as decreased read amplifier performance) due to obverheating. The
"90" in the "worst" column indicates that it gets even hotter from time
to time.

C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 51 100 253 0 OK: Value is normal

Ok, the nly suspicuous thing I find is the drive temperature.
While this is a 5400 rpm drive, this drive has a rather high idle
power consumption, using 2W.

That may be all there is to it.

Arno


What do you mean "all there is to it"? Why is the drive too hot, and
what should I do abut it?

Too much heat makes drives temporarily non-operational. In
the short run this is typically reversible.

What you probably should do about it, is get a drive that
consumes significantly less power. Or a laptop that has better
drive cooling. I don't know of any other options.

It may be that the coopling in your laptop is only adequate for
lower power 4200rpm drive model (not all of these are).

Also, in the long run (months...few years), heat may well
kill a drive.

Arno