Real-world ink longevity test

Notre wrote:

"measekite" wrote in message
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| Michael Johnson wrote:
| TJ wrote:
| I printed a copy of a one-page magazine article about my father for
| his funeral 13 months ago. The article included both text and a color
| photo. I used an HP PSC 2110 printer, Kodak Premium Picture Paper,
| and HP ink cartridges that I had refilled numerous times with
| aftermarket ink. Since the funeral, the print has been hanging on our
| living room wall, framed in a dollar store frame and behind glass.
| While it is a bright room, the spot where the print hangs does not
| receive direct sunlight at any time.
|
| So far, there has been no discernible fading whatsoever. The print
| looks as good to me today as it did the day I printed it. I fully
| expect it to look good for years to come.
|
| Accelerated tests of the type done by many labs and/or magazines
| would have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically
| before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth.
| With just a moderate amount of care, aftermarket ink can last a good,
| long, time. With poor care, even OEM ink will fade quickly.
|
| We have hundreds upon hundreds of photos printed with after market ink
| and they ALL look as good as the day they were printed. Based on my
| personal experience, any difference that exists between OEM and after
| market ink used in Canon printers is inconsequential to the average
user.
|
| That is not true.

And you know this how?


hehehe...his mummy told him...lol.
Frank

measekite wrote:



You do not understand.

No, it's you who don't understand.
Get help now. You're one sick moron.
You are the only idiot in the world who thinks it takes a genius to
formulate printer ink...lol.
Frank

measekite wrote:

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Frank

measekite wrote:


It is very obvious that you are totally misinformed.

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The only think that has degrade is your brain...lol.
Frank

measekite wrote:


Would you use that junk if you were a professional photographer and sold
your prints?

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Why? You want to buy some?
Frank

"Barry Watzman" wrote in message
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One of the problems with "aftermarket inks" is that you can't make any
statements about them. There are so many of them, and they are so
different (from as good as (perhaps in a few cases even better than) OEM
to pure junk) that no meaningful statement applies to all of them. So you
can't really say something like "tests ... would have you believe that
aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes drying.
Nothing could be further from the truth." That may be a true statement
for the particular aftermarket ink that you used, but it's definitely not
true of all aftermarket inks. And therein likes one of the problems: You
don't know what you are getting or what it's characteristics are.

(snip)

Barry - There are some vendors who identify the manufacturer of at lease one
of the inks they sell. Two that I know of are Alotofthings
(Sensient-Formulabs ink) and Precision Color (Image Specialist ink). On one
occasion Formulabs did change the formulation of their magenta inks for
Canon printers. When customers noticed a color shift and contacted
Alotofthings they immediately and proactively replaced the magenta ink for
all their customers who had unknowingly bought the changed formula.

I have used MIS inks for Canon printers (reputed to be Image Specialist
inks) for four years and through several orders have had no discernable
difference in color response. The same is true with friends who use
Formulabs inks from Alotofthings. Their formulations are very stable and
dependable.

Barry Watzman wrote:
One of the problems with "aftermarket inks" is that you can't make any
statements about them. There are so many of them, and they are so
different (from as good as (perhaps in a few cases even better than) OEM
to pure junk) that no meaningful statement applies to all of them. So
you can't really say something like "tests ... would have you believe
that aftermarket ink starts fading practically before it finishes
drying. Nothing could be further from the truth." That may be a true
statement for the particular aftermarket ink that you used, but it's
definitely not true of all aftermarket inks. And therein likes one of
the problems: You don't know what you are getting or what it's
characteristics are.

Then it must be equally meaningless for a lab, even one with a
reputation like Wilhelm, to test a few aftermarket inks against a few
OEM inks and draw the conclusion that ALL aftermarket inks are inferior
to ALL OEM inks, isn't it?

It's a calculated risk. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The trick
is never to bet more than you can afford to lose. Life is full of risks.
They're part of what makes it enjoyable. A risk-free life has to be the
most boring thing I can think of.

TJ

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Burt wrote:

Barry - There are some vendors who identify the manufacturer of at lease one
of the inks they sell. Two that I know of are Alotofthings
(Sensient-Formulabs ink) and Precision Color (Image Specialist ink).

Burt -- who is "Precision Color?" I can't find them as an ink supplier
in Google.

????

Thanks.

Richard

TJ wrote:
Barry Watzman wrote:
One of the problems with "aftermarket inks" is that you can't make
any statements about them. There are so many of them, and they are
so different (from as good as (perhaps in a few cases even better
than) OEM to pure junk) that no meaningful statement applies to all
of them. So you can't really say something like "tests ... would
have you believe that aftermarket ink starts fading practically
before it finishes drying. Nothing could be further from the truth."
That may be a true statement for the particular aftermarket ink that
you used, but it's definitely not true of all aftermarket inks. And
therein likes one of the problems: You don't know what you are
getting or what it's characteristics are.

Then it must be equally meaningless for a lab, even one with a
reputation like Wilhelm, to test a few aftermarket inks against a few
OEM inks and draw the conclusion that ALL aftermarket inks are
inferior to ALL OEM inks, isn't it?

That is very reasonable. He got a universal sample of the garbage and
discovered that quickly.

It's a calculated risk. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

The winners are the biggest losers since they do not realize they are
losers to begin with.
The trick is never to bet more than you can afford to lose. Life is
full of risks. They're part of what makes it enjoyable. A risk-free
life has to be the most boring thing I can think of.
One can get excitement in many other ways.


TJ

Richard Steinfeld wrote:
Burt wrote:

Barry - There are some vendors who identify the manufacturer of at
lease one of the inks they sell. Two that I know of are Alotofthings
(Sensient-Formulabs ink) and Precision Color (Image Specialist ink).

They do not prominently and on all pages disclose that. They sort of
imply that is what they sell until you do research anf find out that all
of the carts they sell are who knows who. I found them to be not to my
liking.

Burt -- who is "Precision Color?" I can't find them as an ink supplier
in Google.

????

Thanks.

Richard