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AMD Athlon Mobile XP 1800+/2000+/2200+ running at FSB 200 possible?
Hi!
I got a Mitac Clone MiNote 7321 Notebook from IPC Archtec running a AthlonM 1200 MHz Processor. I worked through the AMD Technical Specification Docs and the CPU-Support-Tables: http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont..._Rev03_ENG.pdf IPC told me that's only possible to use Athlon XP Mobile CPUs capable of running at FSB 200 MHz (Bios doesn't recognise 266FSB-CPUs) and that's not possible to use CPUs 1800+ due to thermal problems. So I don't believe everything I'm told (1500+ was the maximum possible told a week ago) but what really confuses me is: Is it possible to run a CPU designed to run at 266FSB to run at 200FSB? Is there a special package type I have to use? The original datasheet of the Laptop is to be found at (please don't believe everything!). http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html Please, can anyone give me some advice? At the moment prices for CPUs are quite low and I don't want to miss the chance to upgrade the notebook as far as possible (2200+ recommended)... Thanks! Clemens |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
Hi! I got a Mitac Clone MiNote 7321 Notebook from IPC Archtec running a AthlonM 1200 MHz Processor. I worked through the AMD Technical Specification Docs and the CPU-Support-Tables: http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont..._Rev03_ENG.pdf IPC told me that's only possible to use Athlon XP Mobile CPUs capable of running at FSB 200 MHz (Bios doesn't recognise 266FSB-CPUs) and that's not possible to use CPUs 1800+ due to thermal problems. So I don't believe everything I'm told (1500+ was the maximum possible told a week ago) but what really confuses me is: And Abit told me it wasn't possible to use XP cpu's in my old MB too. See sig line and link. Is it possible to run a CPU designed to run at 266FSB to run at 200FSB? Is there a special package type I have to use? The original datasheet of the Laptop is to be found at (please don't believe everything!). According to the tech docs, and (and verified by many) the FSB can range from 50-200MHz (100-400FSB in marketing terms). http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html Not found.... Please, can anyone give me some advice? At the moment prices for CPUs are quite low and I don't want to miss the chance to upgrade the notebook as far as possible (2200+ recommended)... I would think any 35watt XP-M cpu would work but i don't know how your NB will handle the multipliers. You may have to manually change them. Many ways to do this. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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Just off topic Wes, cant seem to view your web page/sig/link
Fig "Wes Newell" wrote in message news On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote: Hi! I got a Mitac Clone MiNote 7321 Notebook from IPC Archtec running a AthlonM 1200 MHz Processor. I worked through the AMD Technical Specification Docs and the CPU-Support-Tables: http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...s/Electrical_S pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf IPC told me that's only possible to use Athlon XP Mobile CPUs capable of running at FSB 200 MHz (Bios doesn't recognise 266FSB-CPUs) and that's not possible to use CPUs 1800+ due to thermal problems. So I don't believe everything I'm told (1500+ was the maximum possible told a week ago) but what really confuses me is: And Abit told me it wasn't possible to use XP cpu's in my old MB too. See sig line and link. Is it possible to run a CPU designed to run at 266FSB to run at 200FSB? Is there a special package type I have to use? The original datasheet of the Laptop is to be found at (please don't believe everything!). According to the tech docs, and (and verified by many) the FSB can range from 50-200MHz (100-400FSB in marketing terms). http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html Not found.... Please, can anyone give me some advice? At the moment prices for CPUs are quite low and I don't want to miss the chance to upgrade the notebook as far as possible (2200+ recommended)... I would think any 35watt XP-M cpu would work but i don't know how your NB will handle the multipliers. You may have to manually change them. Many ways to do this. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 04:02:13 +0000, Fig wrote:
Just off topic Wes, cant seem to view your web page/sig/link It's still there. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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"Wes Newell" wrote in message t...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote: http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html Not found.... Sorry, Wes, my fault: The 'l' at the end is wrong: http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.htm I think you're right - sometimes you might think producers of pc components only want to make profit instead of give appropriate support to their customers - "You'd better buy a new one than to upgrade your old one...". There's a block of four jumpers located behind the keyboard, so playing around a bit might get things going - until now there's no announcement about the jumper settings... I couldn't find a document telling me the thermal specification of any MOBILE Athlon processor. So I don't know how much thermal power each processor produces, but according to some articles I read they are all producing about 40 to 50W - I don't think my AthlonM 1200 is producing much less then 40 now. So did I get you right? Documents say, CPUs have a maximum FSB of 266 - using it at 200MHz is no problem? If running them at 200 is no problem why shouldn't I buy a new XP M 2800+ if I can get it cool enough? I noticed that there might be several different forms of XP-M CPUs for desktop or notebook use, different packages (18/13 micrometer). Do they all use low voltage stepping? So, knowing that the 13s need lower default voltage and can get higher in speed, using them shouldn't be a problem I guess... Clemens |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:30:26 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote:
"Wes Newell" wrote in message t... On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote: http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html Not found.... Sorry, Wes, my fault: The 'l' at the end is wrong: http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.htm I think you're right - sometimes you might think producers of pc components only want to make profit instead of give appropriate support to their customers - "You'd better buy a new one than to upgrade your old one...". What's real strange here is that they show it only to support a 200FSB (100MHz) abd VIA shows the KN133 chipset that's in it supporting a 133MHz (266FSB) too. Also, the cpu support link you showed had an 1800+ XP being supported which uses a 133MHz FSB (266FS). So I'd assume it supports the 266FSB (133MHz). There's a block of four jumpers located behind the keyboard, so playing around a bit might get things going - until now there's no announcement about the jumper settings... Now these may be the multiplier settings. And like the older desktop MB's it appears it only supports 4 bits of the 5 multiplier bits. See Multiplier Cross ref at my site. I couldn't find a document telling me the thermal specification of any MOBILE Athlon processor. So I don't know how much thermal power each processor produces, but according to some articles I read they are all producing about 40 to 50W - I don't think my AthlonM 1200 is producing much less then 40 now. So did I get you right? Documents say, CPUs have a maximum FSB of 266 - using it at 200MHz is no problem? If running them at 200 is no problem why shouldn't I buy a new XP M 2800+ if I can get it cool enough? I'm not sure what you are talking about here. 200FSB is really 100MHz, 400FSB is really 200MHz. So I don't know for sure which you are refering to with 200MHz as that's 400FSB in AMD marketing BS. In any case, the CPU's are rated for 50-200MHz, or in amd BS terms that would be 100-400FSB. I also wouldn't waste my money on a 2800+. If like the desktop cpu's, a TBred B core 2100+ will clock as high as a 2800+. They use the same core. I noticed that there might be several different forms of XP-M CPUs for desktop or notebook use, different packages (18/13 micrometer). Do they all use low voltage stepping? So, knowing that the 13s need lower default voltage and can get higher in speed, using them shouldn't be a problem I guess... I'd use the one that requires the less power. Assuming your MB will support the voltage it requires. I'm not really into noteboks. Never owned one and hated most I've used.:-) -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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Sorry to bother you Wes but that url dont work for me & 2 other friends in
AU either Fig "Fig" wrote in message ... Just off topic Wes, cant seem to view your web page/sig/link Fig "Wes Newell" wrote in message news On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 03:28:30 -0700, Clemens Arth wrote: Hi! I got a Mitac Clone MiNote 7321 Notebook from IPC Archtec running a AthlonM 1200 MHz Processor. I worked through the AMD Technical Specification Docs and the CPU-Support-Tables: http://www.mitacservice.com/visitor_htm/cpu.asp http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...s/Electrical_S pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf IPC told me that's only possible to use Athlon XP Mobile CPUs capable of running at FSB 200 MHz (Bios doesn't recognise 266FSB-CPUs) and that's not possible to use CPUs 1800+ due to thermal problems. So I don't believe everything I'm told (1500+ was the maximum possible told a week ago) but what really confuses me is: And Abit told me it wasn't possible to use XP cpu's in my old MB too. See sig line and link. Is it possible to run a CPU designed to run at 266FSB to run at 200FSB? Is there a special package type I have to use? The original datasheet of the Laptop is to be found at (please don't believe everything!). According to the tech docs, and (and verified by many) the FSB can range from 50-200MHz (100-400FSB in marketing terms). http://mitac.com/micweb/products/notebook/7321.html Not found.... Please, can anyone give me some advice? At the moment prices for CPUs are quite low and I don't want to miss the chance to upgrade the notebook as far as possible (2200+ recommended)... I would think any 35watt XP-M cpu would work but i don't know how your NB will handle the multipliers. You may have to manually change them. Many ways to do this. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:10:04 +0000, Fig wrote:
Sorry to bother you Wes but that url dont work for me & 2 other friends in AU either http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...s/Electrical_S pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf If you meant this one, it wrapped, or you don't have Acrobat Reader installed. It's a PDF doc. Verified that all links on this page work. http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont..._Rev03_ENG.pdf -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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That's the big question! What are the jumpers for? The support team
from the notebook producer told me that the jumpers might be used to change the FSB but they didn't really want to tell me - you know, to take a notebook to pieces yourself is something they are not very happy about (warranty and things like that). You are right. I won't spend money on a 2400+ or a new 2600/2800. I found offers for a Mobile XP 2200+ for about 80 Euros / 75 Dollars and a Mobile XP 2400+ for 150 Euros / 140 Dollars. So I'll try the cheaper one... My current processor offers this speed stepping (that's why I don't think the jumpers are for multiplier-changes): Mult Voltage Speed 5x 1.250 V 500 MHz 6x 1.300 V 600 MHz 7x 1.350 V 700 MHz 8x 1.400 V 800 MHz 9x 1.450 V 900 MHz 10x 1.500 V 1000 MHz 12x 1.550 V 1200 MHz CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line) CPU: AMD mobile AMD Athlon(tm) 4 Processor stepping 02 (cuts from powerNOW! for Linux Kernel 2.5.73) By the way - the link to your page works from here (Austria) Greets! Clemens |
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No mate , your sig/link
Fig "Wes Newell" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:10:04 +0000, Fig wrote: Sorry to bother you Wes but that url dont work for me & 2 other friends in AU either http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...s/Electrical_S pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf If you meant this one, it wrapped, or you don't have Acrobat Reader installed. It's a PDF doc. Verified that all links on this page work. http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...s/Electrical_S pecification_Rev03_ENG.pdf -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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