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jimbo wrote:
David Maynard wrote: jimbo wrote: Ed Coolidge wrote: jimbo wrote: Still no go. I cloned again using the external USB2.0 case with the new drive mounted. No error messages from Ghost, but when I try to boot to WinXP using the newly cloned drive, it gives a message saying the drive needs to be checked and it goes through three chkdsk checks, all of which pass, then it reboots and the same thing happens again. And when I boot from the WinXP CD, it asks which Windows to use and has "D:\" as the only option. "Repair" takes me to the "D:\" prompt which doesn't provide much. "Install" doesn't give a repair option, only a new installation and if I start that option, it gives a warning message about another OS being there and that it is a bad idea to install two OSs on the same partition. It appears that Ghost is not performing a proper clone. Here is the boot.ini file from "C" root. [boot loader] timeout=10 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windo ws XP" /fastdetect C:\="Windows 98" And the attempt to use the second IDE as described in another post, fails to boot. jimbo So far it looks like you did everything right, which would lead me to suspect that there might be something wrong with the new drive, or the BIOS has the disk configured incorrectly. It's been awhile, but does Ghost have an option to verify the contents of the cloned drive? If it does I would use it to see if it checks out. If you have Partition Magic, you can use it to check the new drive. It should be able to detect any partition or BIOS configuration errors. Well, I did a WinXP installation on the new drive with no problems. But interesting, when I checked everything out with Partition Magic, it reports "Bad Disk" for the old "D" drive! Even though it works perfectly with my system, now and in the past. It shows up in Device Manager as working, etc. No errors of any kind, boots the WinXP installation, etc, etc. But for some reason Partition Magic thinks there is something wrong with it and does not even show any partitions on it. Suggestions? jimbo Well, Partition Magic not liking the partition is disturbing. But, for now, I see above you say you put the drive in a USB enclosure and cloned it. I'm not concerned with that particular clone attempt but want to know if you've had the new drive in the machine, regardless of the interface, with your existing XP system running. And if you HAVE then it's been 'installed' by XP, given a unique GUID, and assigned a drive letter; which will be faithfully copied to the new drive when you do a clone so it will not be a 'new' drive when booting from that clone but will be whatever letter it was assigned, so it won't be assigned the missing 'system drive' letter. First, I'd like for you to boot the 'old' setup and record which letter the two old drives are assigned. You are assuming the win98 boot drive is c? So XP is installed on D and SAYS itself that D is it's system drive? I.E. the XP windows directory is on D:\Windows? Anyway, on the chances that a 'virgin' drive will get detected in the same order, you need to get the new drive back to 'virgin' status. And the easiest way to do that is put the new drive as master on the primary IDE port, boot a win98 rescue disk, and fdisk /mbr it. Writing a win98 boot record will wipe out the GUID. Then, do not boot XP with that new drive installed. Do the clone with a Ghost FLOPPY. Then remove your old XP drive, place the new one in as slave with the win98 master, and see if it boots up right (while crossing fingers that it detects the drives in the original order). Yes, Win98 is on "C" and WinXP is on "D". And "C" partition is on the HD jumpered as master and is at the end of the ribbon cable and "D" partition is on the HD jumpered as slave and is on the middle of the ribbon cable. I'm apparently not being clear. "C" and "D" are letters that Windows assigns and the two flavors of Windows don't so it the same way. So, when you simply say "C" and "D" I am not sure which O.S. you're talking about. It is specifically whether they both have them assigned the same, or different, drive letters that I'm trying to get confirmed. But I think the bigger issue right now is whether the new drive was installed into XP before you did the clone, though, and get the GUID cleaned off of it. Btw, fixboot doesn't remove the GUID. fdisk /mbr does. Thanks for all of the help and suggestions. I will be away for a day, so I will reply again when I get back and have a chance to do some more work on this problem. Okedoke. jimbo |
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:42:13 -0700, jimbo wrote:
jaster wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:55:05 -0700, jimbo wrote: I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D" with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C" and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to "master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message appears and the system reboots. Any insight will be appreciated. jimbo I think XP looks for boot image on the C drive and that is looking for the old D drive not the new drive. With the new D drive installed try booting from your WinXP CD go into repair XP and run fixboot. If that doesn't fix the problem then you'll need to boot the XP CD go into install mode and then repair the installed XP. When I clone a drive I use the drive vendor's utility to make a clone of the drive. Did that. Fixboot does not fix the proglem. And Install does not give an option to repair, only to do a new install. So, for some reason, the Ghost clone is not being recognized as a WinXP installation, although it is being recognized as a Windows installation of some kind. jimbo Maybe when you restored the Ghost image to the new drive you set as a primary partition and not as a logical partition? When you go through the installation menu you should select install and you should be presented with another menu asking if you want to install or repair the existing XP installation. At this point in your exercise does it make sense to continue the frustration or is it the learning process? If not learning and you know the other software and data has been cloned to the new drive, just install XP on the new drive. The install process "repair installation" is pretty much the same as a new install of XP anyway except it saves re-installation of most programs. |
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jaster wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:42:13 -0700, jimbo wrote: jaster wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:55:05 -0700, jimbo wrote: I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D" with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C" and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to "master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message appears and the system reboots. Any insight will be appreciated. jimbo I think XP looks for boot image on the C drive and that is looking for the old D drive not the new drive. With the new D drive installed try booting from your WinXP CD go into repair XP and run fixboot. If that doesn't fix the problem then you'll need to boot the XP CD go into install mode and then repair the installed XP. When I clone a drive I use the drive vendor's utility to make a clone of the drive. Did that. Fixboot does not fix the proglem. And Install does not give an option to repair, only to do a new install. So, for some reason, the Ghost clone is not being recognized as a WinXP installation, although it is being recognized as a Windows installation of some kind. jimbo Maybe when you restored the Ghost image to the new drive you set as a primary partition and not as a logical partition? When you go through the installation menu you should select install and you should be presented with another menu asking if you want to install or repair the existing XP installation. At this point in your exercise does it make sense to continue the frustration or is it the learning process? If not learning and you know the other software and data has been cloned to the new drive, just install XP on the new drive. The install process "repair installation" is pretty much the same as a new install of XP anyway except it saves re-installation of most programs. Well, as I just said, that option is not given to me when I select the WinXP install option from the first menu. For some reason, the program is not seeing the WinXP installation. It is seeing something because if I select istall, it gives a message about it being a bad idea to install two OSs on the same partition. jimbo |
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David Maynard wrote:
jimbo wrote: David Maynard wrote: jimbo wrote: Ed Coolidge wrote: jimbo wrote: Still no go. I cloned again using the external USB2.0 case with the new drive mounted. No error messages from Ghost, but when I try to boot to WinXP using the newly cloned drive, it gives a message saying the drive needs to be checked and it goes through three chkdsk checks, all of which pass, then it reboots and the same thing happens again. And when I boot from the WinXP CD, it asks which Windows to use and has "D:\" as the only option. "Repair" takes me to the "D:\" prompt which doesn't provide much. "Install" doesn't give a repair option, only a new installation and if I start that option, it gives a warning message about another OS being there and that it is a bad idea to install two OSs on the same partition. It appears that Ghost is not performing a proper clone. Here is the boot.ini file from "C" root. [boot loader] timeout=10 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOW S [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windo ws XP" /fastdetect C:\="Windows 98" And the attempt to use the second IDE as described in another post, fails to boot. jimbo So far it looks like you did everything right, which would lead me to suspect that there might be something wrong with the new drive, or the BIOS has the disk configured incorrectly. It's been awhile, but does Ghost have an option to verify the contents of the cloned drive? If it does I would use it to see if it checks out. If you have Partition Magic, you can use it to check the new drive. It should be able to detect any partition or BIOS configuration errors. Well, I did a WinXP installation on the new drive with no problems. But interesting, when I checked everything out with Partition Magic, it reports "Bad Disk" for the old "D" drive! Even though it works perfectly with my system, now and in the past. It shows up in Device Manager as working, etc. No errors of any kind, boots the WinXP installation, etc, etc. But for some reason Partition Magic thinks there is something wrong with it and does not even show any partitions on it. Suggestions? jimbo Well, Partition Magic not liking the partition is disturbing. But, for now, I see above you say you put the drive in a USB enclosure and cloned it. I'm not concerned with that particular clone attempt but want to know if you've had the new drive in the machine, regardless of the interface, with your existing XP system running. And if you HAVE then it's been 'installed' by XP, given a unique GUID, and assigned a drive letter; which will be faithfully copied to the new drive when you do a clone so it will not be a 'new' drive when booting from that clone but will be whatever letter it was assigned, so it won't be assigned the missing 'system drive' letter. First, I'd like for you to boot the 'old' setup and record which letter the two old drives are assigned. You are assuming the win98 boot drive is c? So XP is installed on D and SAYS itself that D is it's system drive? I.E. the XP windows directory is on D:\Windows? Anyway, on the chances that a 'virgin' drive will get detected in the same order, you need to get the new drive back to 'virgin' status. And the easiest way to do that is put the new drive as master on the primary IDE port, boot a win98 rescue disk, and fdisk /mbr it. Writing a win98 boot record will wipe out the GUID. Then, do not boot XP with that new drive installed. Do the clone with a Ghost FLOPPY. Then remove your old XP drive, place the new one in as slave with the win98 master, and see if it boots up right (while crossing fingers that it detects the drives in the original order). Yes, Win98 is on "C" and WinXP is on "D". And "C" partition is on the HD jumpered as master and is at the end of the ribbon cable and "D" partition is on the HD jumpered as slave and is on the middle of the ribbon cable. I'm apparently not being clear. "C" and "D" are letters that Windows assigns and the two flavors of Windows don't so it the same way. So, when you simply say "C" and "D" I am not sure which O.S. you're talking about. It is specifically whether they both have them assigned the same, or different, drive letters that I'm trying to get confirmed. But I think the bigger issue right now is whether the new drive was installed into XP before you did the clone, though, and get the GUID cleaned off of it. Btw, fixboot doesn't remove the GUID. fdisk /mbr does. Thanks for all of the help and suggestions. I will be away for a day, so I will reply again when I get back and have a chance to do some more work on this problem. Okedoke. jimbo Well, on XP, "C" partition is Win98 and "D" partition is WinXP. On Win98, Win98 is on "C" and Win98 can't see the "D" NTFS partition. jimbo |
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jimbo wrote:
I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D" with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C" and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to "master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message appears and the system reboots. Any insight will be appreciated. jimbo Well, the next thing I will try when I get back to my desktop is to do the fdisk /mbr from Win98. But I am very concerned about Partition Magic not seeing any partitions on my WinXP hard drive. And the WinXP installation CD doesn't see the WinXP installation, so it doesn't offer an option for a "repair" installation. And another wrinkle, Windows Explorer sees a third hard drive "G" with 0 byte size and no file system. I have physical drives "C" 40 GB HD, "D" 40 GB HD, "E" DVD reader and "F", DVD burner. And then this fanthom "G" drive that doesn't show up anyplace except in Windows Explorer. jimbo |
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I was just curious. What error did Partition Magic give?
Also, have you tried installing the new drive XP with the other two? If so was the new drive accessible? jimbo wrote: Well, I did a WinXP installation on the new drive with no problems. But interesting, when I checked everything out with Partition Magic, it reports "Bad Disk" for the old "D" drive! Even though it works perfectly with my system, now and in the past. It shows up in Device Manager as working, etc. No errors of any kind, boots the WinXP installation, etc, etc. But for some reason Partition Magic thinks there is something wrong with it and does not even show any partitions on it. Suggestions? jimbo |
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jimbo wrote:
jimbo wrote: I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D" with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C" and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to "master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message appears and the system reboots. Any insight will be appreciated. jimbo Well, the next thing I will try when I get back to my desktop is to do the fdisk /mbr from Win98. But I am very concerned about Partition Magic not seeing any partitions on my WinXP hard drive. And the WinXP installation CD doesn't see the WinXP installation, so it doesn't offer an option for a "repair" installation. I'm not entirely sure how XP determines whether there's a 'valid' installation on a disk but since you have the boot files on C, then the rest of the system on D, perhaps it doesn't think it's all there. Perhaps caused by this mystery partition of yours. And another wrinkle, Windows Explorer sees a third hard drive "G" with 0 byte size and no file system. I have physical drives "C" 40 GB HD, "D" 40 GB HD, "E" DVD reader and "F", DVD burner. And then this fanthom "G" drive that doesn't show up anyplace except in Windows Explorer. jimbo That could be the problem. If the existing D drive has some sort of 'mystery' partition on it then XP could be assigning the drive letters differently than you expect when the new drive comes up. Try doing a partition to partition copy, not the 'whole (old) drive'. You can still tell it to make the new partition fill the new drive so it's one big partition. Or do you have one of those CD emulator software packages installed? |
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Ed Coolidge wrote:
I was just curious. What error did Partition Magic give? Also, have you tried installing the new drive XP with the other two? If so was the new drive accessible? jimbo wrote: Well, I did a WinXP installation on the new drive with no problems. But interesting, when I checked everything out with Partition Magic, it reports "Bad Disk" for the old "D" drive! Even though it works perfectly with my system, now and in the past. It shows up in Device Manager as working, etc. No errors of any kind, boots the WinXP installation, etc, etc. But for some reason Partition Magic thinks there is something wrong with it and does not even show any partitions on it. Suggestions? jimbo Just the word "bad" after the drive 2 header and no partition information. And yes, Partition Magic can and was used to create an NTFS partition. When the new drive is placed in the external USB enclosure, Windows Explorer could see it OK. It just wouldn't boot to WinXP when it was placed in the old WinXP HD. jimbo |
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