Norton Ghost - Clone Won't Work

I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D"
with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger
physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for
cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C"
and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to
"master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from
floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I
disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I
reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and
connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails
just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message
appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo

I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D" with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C" and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to "master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo

Wow, confusing time trying to understand your procedure. You want
to clone your Windows XP drive, which is your D drive (not the
boot drive) to your new drive, which you want to install as C,
right? So you can boot up Windows XP, right?

Well, if you D drive is not your boot drive, Windows XP on it
won't be set up to boot as C, will it? It will be booting from the
boot loader in the boot partition on your C drive, with Windows
98. Unless I'm even more confused than I think. ??? So when you
clone the original D drive (W XP) to your new, empty C drive, no
wonder it won't boot.

Is this correct when XP is the os on the C drive with no other OS in the
system:

1. make the C drive a slave on channel 1
2. put the new drive in as a master on channel 1
3. run ghost from floppies
4. clone from slave to master
5. reboot

thanks

Al

Is this correct when XP is the os on the C drive with no other OS in the
system:

1. make the C drive a slave on channel 1
2. put the new drive in as a master on channel 1
3. run ghost from floppies
4. clone from slave to master
5. reboot

That's the way I do it, although I've never used Ghost
specifically. I use other software. Seems to work.

Al Smith wrote:

I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D"
with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger
physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for
cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C"
and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to
"master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from
floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then
I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I
reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and
connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it
fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error
message appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo


Wow, confusing time trying to understand your procedure. You want to
clone your Windows XP drive, which is your D drive (not the boot drive)
to your new drive, which you want to install as C, right? So you can
boot up Windows XP, right?

Well, if you D drive is not your boot drive, Windows XP on it won't be
set up to boot as C, will it? It will be booting from the boot loader in
the boot partition on your C drive, with Windows 98. Unless I'm even
more confused than I think. ??? So when you clone the original D drive
(W XP) to your new, empty C drive, no wonder it won't boot.

If I read it right he's copying the old slave to the new drive and then
putting the new drive in as slave, replacing the old one, with the new
drive's temporary life as 'master' only for the copy process. The 'idea' is
ok but I'm not so sure the implementation of it is 'ok'.

Bad form to call them C and D, though, because that assumes how XP assigned
the letters and it isn't the same as Win9x. Plus, once serialized, XP knows
which one is which even if you move them to different IDE locations.

That can be a real 'gotcha' if you intend to clone an old drive to a new
one and still use the old one as a second, storage, drive. One might think
you could simply move the old drive to slave (gonna be 'D', you THINK),
install new drive as master (gonna be 'D', you THINK), clone old to new,
and boot 'er up on the new 'C' (you THINK) drive. However, if you DO it
that way it'll boot from the master BUT as soon as XP awakens it'll assign
the new drive to 'D' (or some other letter, depending on configuration)
because 'C' is still there (IDE slave notwithstanding) and merrily finish
loading up from the old drive, and operate FROM the old drive, because the
OLD DRIVE IS still C even though its the slave and you THINK its 'D'.

You need to REMOVE the old drive so that, when XP discovers the new one,
'C' is unused and XP can assign 'C' to the new drive.

I suspect there's some 'drive letter' confusion in his cloned copy but I
can't quite place my finger on it.

If I read it right he's copying the old slave to the new drive and then putting the new drive in as slave, replacing the old one, with the new drive's temporary life as 'master' only for the copy process. The 'idea' is ok but I'm not so sure the implementation of it is 'ok'.

Bad form to call them C and D, though, because that assumes how XP assigned the letters and it isn't the same as Win9x. Plus, once serialized, XP knows which one is which even if you move them to different IDE locations.

[snip]

Even more confusing than I thought.

Al Smith wrote:
I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D"
with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger
physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for
cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C"
and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to
"master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from
floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then
I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I
reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and
connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it
fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error
message appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo


Wow, confusing time trying to understand your procedure. You want to
clone your Windows XP drive, which is your D drive (not the boot drive)
to your new drive, which you want to install as C, right? So you can
boot up Windows XP, right?

No, he wants the new larger drive to be D drive with XP on it. Why he's
removing C: drive to do this, I don't know. I would have tried:

1. Leave both drives as they are.
2. Connect the new drive, disconnecting any cdroms as necessary.
3. Ghost D: to the new drive.
4. Swap the new drive with the old D: drive.
5. try booting from there.


Well, if you D drive is not your boot drive, Windows XP on it won't be
set up to boot as C, will it?

No, he still wants win98 to be the c drive. That's why he resintalled
the c drive.

It will be booting from the boot loader in
the boot partition on your C drive, with Windows 98. Unless I'm even
more confused than I think. ??? So when you clone the original D drive
(W XP) to your new, empty C drive, no wonder it won't boot.


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spodosaurus wrote:

Al Smith wrote:

I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D"
with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger
physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for
cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from
"C" and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper
to "master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted
from floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK.
Then I disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave".
Then I reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive
and connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP
it fails just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an
error message appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo



Wow, confusing time trying to understand your procedure. You want to
clone your Windows XP drive, which is your D drive (not the boot
drive) to your new drive, which you want to install as C, right? So
you can boot up Windows XP, right?


No, he wants the new larger drive to be D drive with XP on it. Why he's
removing C: drive to do this, I don't know.

For the same reason you say "disconnecting any cdroms as necessary." It was
just the place he picked to temporarily put the new drive that also leaves
the old 'D' in the system to clone from.

Doesn't matter if you unplug a CD or hard drive to do it, just as long as D
is still there to clone from.

I would have tried:

1. Leave both drives as they are.
2. Connect the new drive, disconnecting any cdroms as necessary.
3. Ghost D: to the new drive.
4. Swap the new drive with the old D: drive.
5. try booting from there.


Well, if you D drive is not your boot drive, Windows XP on it won't be
set up to boot as C, will it?


No, he still wants win98 to be the c drive. That's why he resintalled
the c drive.

It will be booting from the boot loader in the boot partition on your
C drive, with Windows 98. Unless I'm even more confused than I think.
??? So when you clone the original D drive (W XP) to your new, empty C
drive, no wonder it won't boot.

jimbo wrote:

I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D"
with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger
physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for
cloning a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C"
and connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to
"master" the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from
floppies and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I
disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I
reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and
connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails
just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message
appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo

Hmm. I can't be sure because I can't see your registry but I suspect it's
because of how Windows XP serializes the drives and the new drive isn't
what it thinks should be the system drive (actually, it isn't 'anything'
when it first boots because it hasn't been identified and serialized yet,
but it may be by now, to whatever XP thought it should be).

On a single drive system it would normally figure out that the 'new' drive
is the 'new' C (if one removes the old one completely, else the OLD one
remains C and the new one gets a new letter, which causes all sorts of
problems) but with an existing drive as your boot drive I'm not sure how
it's resolving the new drive's letter, and that's what I suspect is going
wrong. Somehow it's getting confused as to which should be the 'C' drive
and which is the 'D' (or whatever).

What did XP call the two OLD drives? You say 'C' and 'D' but which was
which in Windows 98 and Windows XP. Did they both call each one by the same
letter?

"David Maynard" wrote in message
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I have physical hard drive "C" with Win98 and physical hard drive "D"
with WinXP in a dual boot setup. I want to injstall a new, larger
physical hard drive "D". I have tried to follow the procedure for cloning
a drive using Norton Ghost. I disconnected the cables from "C" and
connected the new hard drive. (I set the new drive's jumper to "master"
the same as the "C" drive.) Then Norton Ghost was booted from floppies
and I cloned drive 2 to drive 1. This all seemed to OK. Then I
disconnected the new drive and changed the jumper to "slave". Then I
reconnected the "C" drive. Then I disconnected the "D" drive and
connected the new drive in it's place. Now when I boot to WinXP it fails
just after the WinXP splash screen. A blue screen with an error message
appears and the system reboots.

Any insight will be appreciated.

jimbo

Hmm. I can't be sure because I can't see your registry but I suspect it's
because of how Windows XP serializes the drives and the new drive isn't
what it thinks should be the system drive (actually, it isn't 'anything'
when it first boots because it hasn't been identified and serialized yet,
but it may be by now, to whatever XP thought it should be).

I've cloned many a drive with Ghost and haven't run across this
problem--using IDE, SATA, and Firewire--as XP should pick it up readily,
even though the drive letter may be different. This can be easily changed.

On a single drive system it would normally figure out that the 'new' drive
is the 'new' C (if one removes the old one completely, else the OLD one
remains C and the new one gets a new letter, which causes all sorts of
problems) but with an existing drive as your boot drive I'm not sure how
it's resolving the new drive's letter, and that's what I suspect is going
wrong. Somehow it's getting confused as to which should be the 'C' drive
and which is the 'D' (or whatever).

I've restored C: (boot) drives on numerous occasions and have never had a
problem booting from the newly created drive.