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Why not get an Atholon 64 3800+ instead of an FX-51? It looks like AMD
may be phasing out the FX-51 and replacing it with the Athlon64 3800+, so if you want an FX-51, you better buy it soon. As for the choice between the two, it depends on whether your software makes better use of the extra cache or the extra clock speed. Just off the top of my head, I would guess that on average most games tend to make better use of the extra clock speed rather than the extra cache for an Athlon64, since the Athlon 64 isn't heavily pipelined. Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote: "JK" wrote in message ... Take a look at this review, which includes the lower priced Athlon 64 chips. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2065&p=1 Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote: Sorry for more then one reply here.. But.. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...caling-09.html You people still think Intel is better for gaming then AMD?? Denny. :-) Ok, and??? On a lot of tests they keep up well. Hmm? FX53 = around 800 or 830$ P4 3.4 C EE 999$ Which would you rather have? I'm starting to do everything I can think of just to get a FX53, but I might just get a FX51 and overclock the **** out of it. I still have a water cooler, all I need is a new water block and I'm all set. Denny. |
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Notice the absence of the FX-51 in this story.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07...ces/print.html JK wrote: Why not get an Atholon 64 3800+ instead of an FX-51? It looks like AMD may be phasing out the FX-51 and replacing it with the Athlon64 3800+, so if you want an FX-51, you better buy it soon. As for the choice between the two, it depends on whether your software makes better use of the extra cache or the extra clock speed. Just off the top of my head, I would guess that on average most games tend to make better use of the extra clock speed rather than the extra cache for an Athlon64, since the Athlon 64 isn't heavily pipelined. Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote: "JK" wrote in message ... Take a look at this review, which includes the lower priced Athlon 64 chips. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2065&p=1 Dennis E Strausser Jr wrote: Sorry for more then one reply here.. But.. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...caling-09.html You people still think Intel is better for gaming then AMD?? Denny. :-) Ok, and??? On a lot of tests they keep up well. Hmm? FX53 = around 800 or 830$ P4 3.4 C EE 999$ Which would you rather have? I'm starting to do everything I can think of just to get a FX53, but I might just get a FX51 and overclock the **** out of it. I still have a water cooler, all I need is a new water block and I'm all set. Denny. |
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Ralph Wade Phillips wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote in message ... Of course it is. Sorry guys, Woger is the village idiot from my local computer newsgroup, nz.comp, where he has posted under over 100 different alias' in the last few years as people killfile him. I don't know how he got out, I thought we had him locked in the basement. That's what you get for running an unsecured 802.11b node, Misfit. LOL. He actually lives at the other end of the island from me. (North Island). -- ~misfit~ |
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Yea, he likes to make *ass*umptions about others. VIA has a bad history and only a dumbass would choose a VIA chipset over the 865 and 875 chipsets for a P4 build. What do you know that the experts don't? All the experts agree that the taiwanese chipmakers are holding their own against Intel as far as stability AND performance goes. I'm waiting . . . enlighten us . . . -Dave Still waiting, but not holding my breath . . . |
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:01:56 -0400, "Dave C." wrote:
Still waiting, but not holding my breath . . . I already told you, the internet is rife with VIA horror stories. Now be a smart boy and go do your own homework. |
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maggot wrote: On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:01:56 -0400, "Dave C." wrote: Still waiting, but not holding my breath . . . I already told you, the internet is rife with VIA horror stories. Now be a smart boy and go do your own homework. I find that I sometimes get a lot of stick for choosing the 'safe' choices such as e.g. Intel cpu and chip set. However, this is not a comment on AMD and others which may work equally well, it is just that a choice has to be made, and since I was spending my own scarce money, I didn't want any hassle and just want it to work. It may seem unfair, but life is harder for newcomers. |
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"Dennis E Strausser Jr" wrote in message ... "Johannes H Andersen" wrote in message news:410AF477.32FAE761@nsuvuooiaiosizefitterwiuove swernuaz.com... JK wrote: The dual channel of the P4 is relatively slow though since the memory controller is not on the chip. Look at the actual benchmarks comparing the two. The article has benchmarks for both socket 754 and socket 939 Athlon 64 chips. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2065&p=1 So? The dual channel memory 2xDDR400 for the P4 matches the fsb = 800 MHz, this is the optimal situation. The P4 is not 800 fsb, it's 200 It works something like the Athlon Xp, but does it twice. To better explain this, here's an email I got from AMD Hello Dennis, Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center. The Athlon XP has a Front Side Bus (FSB) that operates at either 266, 333, or 400Mhz. While the physical signal is 133, 166, or 200Mhz, data is transferred on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal. This effectively doubles the data throughput. This is similar to the operation of DDR memory and 2X AGP. Motherboards that support a 400, 333, 266, and 200MHz front-side bus (FSB) will typically have a factory-default FSB setting of 200MHz (100MHz system clock) to protect 200MHz FSB processors from accidentally being overclocked. If an Athlon XP processor, which supports a 400, 333 or 266MHz FSB, is installed on a motherboard that is configured to operate the FSB at 200MHz, it will operate at a lower frequency. This is a result of the processor's multiplier. The function of the multiplier is to multiply the bus frequency to derive the processor operating frequency. The actual setting of the FSB may be controlled by the motherboard BIOS or by a hardware jumper on the motherboard itself. Please consult your motherboard manufacturer directly to determine how to correctly set the FSB for your motherboard. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Jesus Customer Support Analyst AMD TSC We welcome your feedback and suggestions to help us improve our services to you. To provide this information to us, we ask that you please click on this link, or copy/paste into your browser, and complete our short survey. Thanks, in advance, for your comments. Click here (link http://asksurvey.amd.com/servicesoft...@comc ast.net). P.S. Please visit our online technical support tools, Ask AMD (http://ask.amd.com) and our Processor Support Forums (http://forums.amd.com). Ask AMD is our online knowledgebase that contains many solutions to common questions. Our Processor Support Forums are an online community where users can assist each other with many different issues. There's a good chance these tools can help answer your next question! Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Form Message Processor Type: Athlon XP Escalated From: startup Processor Model: 2200+ Knowledge Base: Processor Email Address: Full Name: Dennis E Strausser Jr Message Body: (FSB) & Bus Speed. If a CPU has a FSB of 133, that would mean the Bus Speed is 266? So like My 2200+ I have is 266 Bus Speed, and 133 (FSB)? And a 2800+ would be 166 FSB (166.5)? What I need is a link if I'm right, if I'm wrong, I still want that link. I was trying to tell some1 that I thought that's the way it works, and he said I'm wrong. So I'm sure you guys can tell me, after all, they are your CPU's 2200+? 2600 @ 2.17 GHz,,, But you didn't need to know I'm Overclocking one of your CPU's. Denny. :-) Subject: FSB & Bus Speed User Type: Reseller/System Builder Knowledge Job Ticket: 0000000000169818213:5486 Knowledge Session Log URL: http://139.95.253.213:80/SRVS/CGI-BI...g,e=0000000000 169818213,K=5486 Location: USA/Canada What this all means? I'll break it down. the rising and falling edges of the clock signal are still working for the most part, the same way as an amd. But. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. Don't take my word for it, this is just a guess. But it does seem like a good guess to say that's how it's Hyperthreading works. Back when it was just Hyperpipline, I think it helped to keep the cpu running smooth. And keep the bottle neck as low as possible. If anyone has more input on this, or if I'm wrong, correct me. thx.. Denny. :-) Hmmm, good questions. I have some that can be added. To get the 800MHZ data rate do you need 4 memory DIMMs (sticks) or can it work with only two standard ones? Dave |
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Dave wrote: "Dennis E Strausser Jr" wrote in message ... "Johannes H Andersen" wrote in message news:410AF477.32FAE761@nsuvuooiaiosizefitterwiuove swernuaz.com... JK wrote: The dual channel of the P4 is relatively slow though since the memory controller is not on the chip. Look at the actual benchmarks comparing the two. The article has benchmarks for both socket 754 and socket 939 Athlon 64 chips. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2065&p=1 So? The dual channel memory 2xDDR400 for the P4 matches the fsb = 800 MHz, this is the optimal situation. The P4 is not 800 fsb, it's 200 It works something like the Athlon Xp, but does it twice. To better explain this, here's an email I got from AMD Hello Dennis, Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center. The Athlon XP has a Front Side Bus (FSB) that operates at either 266, 333, or 400Mhz. While the physical signal is 133, 166, or 200Mhz, data is transferred on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal. This effectively doubles the data throughput. This is similar to the operation of DDR memory and 2X AGP. Motherboards that support a 400, 333, 266, and 200MHz front-side bus (FSB) will typically have a factory-default FSB setting of 200MHz (100MHz system clock) to protect 200MHz FSB processors from accidentally being overclocked. If an Athlon XP processor, which supports a 400, 333 or 266MHz FSB, is installed on a motherboard that is configured to operate the FSB at 200MHz, it will operate at a lower frequency. This is a result of the processor's multiplier. The function of the multiplier is to multiply the bus frequency to derive the processor operating frequency. The actual setting of the FSB may be controlled by the motherboard BIOS or by a hardware jumper on the motherboard itself. Please consult your motherboard manufacturer directly to determine how to correctly set the FSB for your motherboard. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Jesus Customer Support Analyst AMD TSC We welcome your feedback and suggestions to help us improve our services to you. To provide this information to us, we ask that you please click on this link, or copy/paste into your browser, and complete our short survey. Thanks, in advance, for your comments. Click here (link http://asksurvey.amd.com/servicesoft...@comc ast.net). P.S. Please visit our online technical support tools, Ask AMD (http://ask.amd.com) and our Processor Support Forums (http://forums.amd.com). Ask AMD is our online knowledgebase that contains many solutions to common questions. Our Processor Support Forums are an online community where users can assist each other with many different issues. There's a good chance these tools can help answer your next question! Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Form Message Processor Type: Athlon XP Escalated From: startup Processor Model: 2200+ Knowledge Base: Processor Email Address: Full Name: Dennis E Strausser Jr Message Body: (FSB) & Bus Speed. If a CPU has a FSB of 133, that would mean the Bus Speed is 266? So like My 2200+ I have is 266 Bus Speed, and 133 (FSB)? And a 2800+ would be 166 FSB (166.5)? What I need is a link if I'm right, if I'm wrong, I still want that link. I was trying to tell some1 that I thought that's the way it works, and he said I'm wrong. So I'm sure you guys can tell me, after all, they are your CPU's 2200+? 2600 @ 2.17 GHz,,, But you didn't need to know I'm Overclocking one of your CPU's. Denny. :-) Subject: FSB & Bus Speed User Type: Reseller/System Builder Knowledge Job Ticket: 0000000000169818213:5486 Knowledge Session Log URL: http://139.95.253.213:80/SRVS/CGI-BI...g,e=0000000000 169818213,K=5486 Location: USA/Canada What this all means? I'll break it down. the rising and falling edges of the clock signal are still working for the most part, the same way as an amd. But. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. Don't take my word for it, this is just a guess. But it does seem like a good guess to say that's how it's Hyperthreading works. Back when it was just Hyperpipline, I think it helped to keep the cpu running smooth. And keep the bottle neck as low as possible. If anyone has more input on this, or if I'm wrong, correct me. thx.. Denny. :-) Hmmm, good questions. I have some that can be added. To get the 800MHZ data rate do you need 4 memory DIMMs (sticks) or can it work with only two standard ones? Dave Two standard ones, that is two DDR400. The DDR means Double Data Rate, dual channel is on top of that, hence 800MHz transfer rate = 6400000000 bits/s. |
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"Johannes H Andersen" wrote
in message news:410E37F8.3FE1B60A@nsaeccueuesizefitterwruovwe swernuao.com... Dave wrote: "Dennis E Strausser Jr" wrote in message ... "Johannes H Andersen" wrote in message news:410AF477.32FAE761@nsuvuooiaiosizefitterwiuove swernuaz.com... JK wrote: The dual channel of the P4 is relatively slow though since the memory controller is not on the chip. Look at the actual benchmarks comparing the two. The article has benchmarks for both socket 754 and socket 939 Athlon 64 chips. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2065&p=1 So? The dual channel memory 2xDDR400 for the P4 matches the fsb = 800 MHz, this is the optimal situation. The P4 is not 800 fsb, it's 200 It works something like the Athlon Xp, but does it twice. To better explain this, here's an email I got from AMD Hello Dennis, Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center. The Athlon XP has a Front Side Bus (FSB) that operates at either 266, 333, or 400Mhz. While the physical signal is 133, 166, or 200Mhz, data is transferred on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal. This effectively doubles the data throughput. This is similar to the operation of DDR memory and 2X AGP. Motherboards that support a 400, 333, 266, and 200MHz front-side bus (FSB) will typically have a factory-default FSB setting of 200MHz (100MHz system clock) to protect 200MHz FSB processors from accidentally being overclocked. If an Athlon XP processor, which supports a 400, 333 or 266MHz FSB, is installed on a motherboard that is configured to operate the FSB at 200MHz, it will operate at a lower frequency. This is a result of the processor's multiplier. The function of the multiplier is to multiply the bus frequency to derive the processor operating frequency. The actual setting of the FSB may be controlled by the motherboard BIOS or by a hardware jumper on the motherboard itself. Please consult your motherboard manufacturer directly to determine how to correctly set the FSB for your motherboard. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Jesus Customer Support Analyst AMD TSC We welcome your feedback and suggestions to help us improve our services to you. To provide this information to us, we ask that you please click on this link, or copy/paste into your browser, and complete our short survey. Thanks, in advance, for your comments. Click here (link http://asksurvey.amd.com/servicesoft...@comc ast.net). P.S. Please visit our online technical support tools, Ask AMD (http://ask.amd.com) and our Processor Support Forums (http://forums.amd.com). Ask AMD is our online knowledgebase that contains many solutions to common questions. Our Processor Support Forums are an online community where users can assist each other with many different issues. There's a good chance these tools can help answer your next question! Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Form Message Processor Type: Athlon XP Escalated From: startup Processor Model: 2200+ Knowledge Base: Processor Email Address: Full Name: Dennis E Strausser Jr Message Body: (FSB) & Bus Speed. If a CPU has a FSB of 133, that would mean the Bus Speed is 266? So like My 2200+ I have is 266 Bus Speed, and 133 (FSB)? And a 2800+ would be 166 FSB (166.5)? What I need is a link if I'm right, if I'm wrong, I still want that link. I was trying to tell some1 that I thought that's the way it works, and he said I'm wrong. So I'm sure you guys can tell me, after all, they are your CPU's 2200+? 2600 @ 2.17 GHz,,, But you didn't need to know I'm Overclocking one of your CPU's. Denny. :-) Subject: FSB & Bus Speed User Type: Reseller/System Builder Knowledge Job Ticket: 0000000000169818213:5486 Knowledge Session Log URL: http://139.95.253.213:80/SRVS/CGI-BI...g,e=0000000000 169818213,K=5486 Location: USA/Canada What this all means? I'll break it down. the rising and falling edges of the clock signal are still working for the most part, the same way as an amd. But. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. Don't take my word for it, this is just a guess. But it does seem like a good guess to say that's how it's Hyperthreading works. Back when it was just Hyperpipline, I think it helped to keep the cpu running smooth. And keep the bottle neck as low as possible. If anyone has more input on this, or if I'm wrong, correct me. thx.. Denny. :-) Hmmm, good questions. I have some that can be added. To get the 800MHZ data rate do you need 4 memory DIMMs (sticks) or can it work with only two standard ones? Dave Two standard ones, that is two DDR400. The DDR means Double Data Rate, dual channel is on top of that, hence 800MHz transfer rate = 6400000000 bits/s. Righ, ty. If you use two, also make sure they are installed right. What I mean is, don't just use dimm slots 1 & 2 Most boards will just give you the ram you just installed. Like 2 x 512 for 1Meg Use dimm slots 1 & 3 or 2 & 4, if your board has 4 This gives dual channel mode. Denny. :-) |
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"Dennis E Strausser Jr" wrote in message
... "Johannes H Andersen" wrote in message news:410E37F8.3FE1B60A@nsaeccueuesizefitterwruovwe swernuao.com... Dave wrote: "Dennis E Strausser Jr" wrote in message ... "Johannes H Andersen" wrote in message news:410AF477.32FAE761@nsuvuooiaiosizefitterwiuove swernuaz.com... JK wrote: The dual channel of the P4 is relatively slow though since the memory controller is not on the chip. Look at the actual benchmarks comparing the two. The article has benchmarks for both socket 754 and socket 939 Athlon 64 chips. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2065&p=1 So? The dual channel memory 2xDDR400 for the P4 matches the fsb = 800 MHz, this is the optimal situation. The P4 is not 800 fsb, it's 200 It works something like the Athlon Xp, but does it twice. To better explain this, here's an email I got from AMD Hello Dennis, Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center. The Athlon XP has a Front Side Bus (FSB) that operates at either 266, 333, or 400Mhz. While the physical signal is 133, 166, or 200Mhz, data is transferred on both the rising and falling edges of the clock signal. This effectively doubles the data throughput. This is similar to the operation of DDR memory and 2X AGP. Motherboards that support a 400, 333, 266, and 200MHz front-side bus (FSB) will typically have a factory-default FSB setting of 200MHz (100MHz system clock) to protect 200MHz FSB processors from accidentally being overclocked. If an Athlon XP processor, which supports a 400, 333 or 266MHz FSB, is installed on a motherboard that is configured to operate the FSB at 200MHz, it will operate at a lower frequency. This is a result of the processor's multiplier. The function of the multiplier is to multiply the bus frequency to derive the processor operating frequency. The actual setting of the FSB may be controlled by the motherboard BIOS or by a hardware jumper on the motherboard itself. Please consult your motherboard manufacturer directly to determine how to correctly set the FSB for your motherboard. Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Jesus Customer Support Analyst AMD TSC We welcome your feedback and suggestions to help us improve our services to you. To provide this information to us, we ask that you please click on this link, or copy/paste into your browser, and complete our short survey. Thanks, in advance, for your comments. Click here (link http://asksurvey.amd.com/servicesoft...@comc ast.net). P.S. Please visit our online technical support tools, Ask AMD (http://ask.amd.com) and our Processor Support Forums (http://forums.amd.com). Ask AMD is our online knowledgebase that contains many solutions to common questions. Our Processor Support Forums are an online community where users can assist each other with many different issues. There's a good chance these tools can help answer your next question! Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Form Message Processor Type: Athlon XP Escalated From: startup Processor Model: 2200+ Knowledge Base: Processor Email Address: Full Name: Dennis E Strausser Jr Message Body: (FSB) & Bus Speed. If a CPU has a FSB of 133, that would mean the Bus Speed is 266? So like My 2200+ I have is 266 Bus Speed, and 133 (FSB)? And a 2800+ would be 166 FSB (166.5)? What I need is a link if I'm right, if I'm wrong, I still want that link. I was trying to tell some1 that I thought that's the way it works, and he said I'm wrong. So I'm sure you guys can tell me, after all, they are your CPU's 2200+? 2600 @ 2.17 GHz,,, But you didn't need to know I'm Overclocking one of your CPU's. Denny. :-) Subject: FSB & Bus Speed User Type: Reseller/System Builder Knowledge Job Ticket: 0000000000169818213:5486 Knowledge Session Log URL: http://139.95.253.213:80/SRVS/CGI-BI...g,e=0000000000 169818213,K=5486 Location: USA/Canada What this all means? I'll break it down. the rising and falling edges of the clock signal are still working for the most part, the same way as an amd. But. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. 200 x 200 rising and falling edges of the clock signal. Don't take my word for it, this is just a guess. But it does seem like a good guess to say that's how it's Hyperthreading works. Back when it was just Hyperpipline, I think it helped to keep the cpu running smooth. And keep the bottle neck as low as possible. If anyone has more input on this, or if I'm wrong, correct me. thx.. Denny. :-) Hmmm, good questions. I have some that can be added. To get the 800MHZ data rate do you need 4 memory DIMMs (sticks) or can it work with only two standard ones? Dave Two standard ones, that is two DDR400. The DDR means Double Data Rate, dual channel is on top of that, hence 800MHz transfer rate = 6400000000 bits/s. Righ, ty. If you use two, also make sure they are installed right. What I mean is, don't just use dimm slots 1 & 2 Most boards will just give you the ram you just installed. Like 2 x 512 for 1Meg (1Gig) Oops.... Use dimm slots 1 & 3 or 2 & 4, if your board has 4 This gives dual channel mode. Denny. :-) In reply to myself,,,, Oops. 1Gig.. Denny. :-) |
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