AMD wins back performance crown

If AMD spreads the news, is able to lower prices,
and releases the desktop version in time,

They've already failed at all of these. It should have been out months
ago; motherboard manufacturers and oems are *still* taking a wait-and-see
attitude; there's no 64bit Windows ready; and the delay has been a gift to
Intel, allowing them ample time to ramp and tweak the P4 til any Athlon64
speed advantage is gone, not to mention the cool new features they've added.

Who's going to buy an expensive 1.8ghz Athlon64 that is barely on a par with
an P4-3200, and still loses in the all-important media benchmarks? Not me,
not until it's shown this thing can overclock reliably to 2.5ghz anyway.

rms

"Roger Squires" wrote in message
news
If AMD spreads the news, is able to lower prices,
and releases the desktop version in time,

They've already failed at all of these. It should have been out
months
ago; motherboard manufacturers and oems are *still* taking a wait-and-see
attitude; there's no 64bit Windows ready; and the delay has been a gift to
Intel, allowing them ample time to ramp and tweak the P4 til any Athlon64
speed advantage is gone, not to mention the cool new features they've
added.

Who's going to buy an expensive 1.8ghz Athlon64 that is barely on a par
with
an P4-3200, and still loses in the all-important media benchmarks? Not
me,
not until it's shown this thing can overclock reliably to 2.5ghz anyway.

rms

you shouldnt buy into the "2.5" ghz thing..
I mean if the a64 is running at 2ghz then that would be like a 4ghz system
(kinda sorta) ..

One big problem is that intel was saying DO NO RELEASE working boards for
AMD.. Keep your boards in development and dont release them....
Now I cant give you proof of that, that's illegal BUT that is what other
company reps have been reporting..
Support the new 64bit amd chips and expect to loose INTEL research money
If that's not the case then tell me why MSI are the only company that
released their Opteron mobo (only company as in the big home retail market)
So much of it is down to big brother.. Amd does a horrible job at
advertising too, their PR sucks ass..
This is a direction that technology needs to move in and I have to say that
I think it's great that AMD have decided to do it, I just hope that they
have more luck than the Alpha systems..
The fact that we are still 1 month away from release of these chips means
that we will see some improvements before it hits the market.. Plus all
benchmarks now are not going to be design'd around the chip and they'll not
show the true potential of it.. I think writing benchmarks design'd to
"test" things like MMX and such was pretty lame, It worked great for INTEL
for so many years.. having benchmarks that are made around their chips.. So
lets see a 64bit os benchmark and then see how it compares on the p4
systems.. ohh wait, the p4's wont run it.. they score the worst mark?

"Roger Squires" wrote in message
news
If AMD spreads the news, is able to lower prices,
and releases the desktop version in time,

They've already failed at all of these. It should have been out
months
ago; motherboard manufacturers and oems are *still* taking a wait-and-see
attitude; there's no 64bit Windows ready; and the delay has been a gift to
Intel, allowing them ample time to ramp and tweak the P4 til any Athlon64
speed advantage is gone, not to mention the cool new features they've
added.

Who's going to buy an expensive 1.8ghz Athlon64 that is barely on a par
with
an P4-3200, and still loses in the all-important media benchmarks? Not
me,
not until it's shown this thing can overclock reliably to 2.5ghz anyway.


I can't disagree with Roger. I'm a long time AMD fan, but a few months ago
I jumped to an Intel 2.8, 800 FSB, and I have to say It's a pretty sweet
setup. The Athlon64 may be a little too little a little too late for the
reasons Roger points out. Hopefully AMD will come through with a processor
that's competitive cost and performance wise sometime soon, because they're
probably the only thing standing between us and paying $thousands$ for an
Intel processor.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:52:13 -0400, "Frank Weston"
wrote:

Hopefully AMD will come through with a processor
that's competitive cost and performance wise sometime soon, because they're
probably the only thing standing between us and paying $thousands$ for an
Intel processor.


That will happen only if you want the fastest processor going. What
we have right now is a really anomalous situation where the world's
fastest CPU to be found outside a Cray can be had for chicken feed.
*That* situation isn't going to last because it isn't sustainable,
regardless of what happens to AMD.

Opteron is an interesting wild card, but it will probably do more to
cause anxiety among Intel execs than to save AMD's hide. My suspicion
is that AMD is not nearly as enthusiastic about Athlon64 as are its
hobbyist cheerleaders, because I think AMD knows full well that its
long term survival is more tied to competing with Centrino for the
mobile/low power market that is growing than it is to competing for a
desktop market that is shrinking.

RM

"Never anonymous Bud" wrote in message
...
Separating himself from Baghdad Bob, "Frank Weston"

whined:

I can't disagree with Roger. I'm a long time AMD fan, but a few months
ago
I jumped to an Intel 2.8, 800 FSB, and I have to say It's a pretty sweet
setup.

I went with a P4 2.6HT last week, and it's VERY nice.

In addition to running 2 Seti@home clients as fast as my XP2500 runs one,
it's just stunning with Encarta 2004, NO stalls, stutters, or slowdowns no
matter HOW fast I change what I'm looking at.

It's a pity both open Seti clients are fighting for the same cache space
inside the CPU.
Seti shall run faster with HT turned off in the BIOS, go give it a try...
Happy with this XP2500 (210X10.5), so what if it takes 1hr56min on average
to complete a unit *8)






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rstlne wrote:


"Roger Squires" wrote in message
Not
me,
not until it's shown this thing can overclock reliably to 2.5ghz anyway.

rms

you shouldnt buy into the "2.5" ghz thing..
I mean if the a64 is running at 2ghz then that would be like a 4ghz system
(kinda sorta) ..

Not even kinda sorta..

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=112


--

Stacey

Bitsbucket wrote:

You know,
I think that all the marketing hype has gone to allot of heads,

Yep, very few people need what a $40 XP1700 can take care of. Only reason I
ever need more "juice" is for doing video rendering, the rest is easily
handled by almost any system today.
--

Stacey

JK wrote:



, not to mention the cool new features they've added.

Cool? Look at the high power consumption
numbers for the higher end Pentium 4 chips.

http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm


Thanx for pointing out the opterons use more power than ANY of intels chips!
I can only guess the faster AMD64's will use even more? Bet they'll be easy
to cool! G

And given the XP3200 uses 77 max W vs intels 82 max W I don't see anything
for AMD zealots to be getting all excited about. How much is 5 watts going
to cost someone to run a month? And given the interface is larger and the
heat sink can be bigger than an AMD's on most boards, cooling isn't going
to be an issue.

Next time you want to use this type of link you might think about reading
the newest specs posted there? Next week these numbers might not be
something you'd want to post seeing as how you're here to push AMD's chips
not to help people choose the chip that is the best product at the time....
--

Stacey

In article ,
says...
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:52:13 -0400, "Frank Weston"
wrote:

Hopefully AMD will come through with a processor
that's competitive cost and performance wise sometime soon, because they're
probably the only thing standing between us and paying $thousands$ for an
Intel processor.


That will happen only if you want the fastest processor going. What
we have right now is a really anomalous situation where the world's
fastest CPU to be found outside a Cray can be had for chicken feed.
*That* situation isn't going to last because it isn't sustainable,
regardless of what happens to AMD.

I think you're wrong. I think this situation *very*
maintainable, if for no other reason than the sheer economics of
the mass market. The cost of developing an advance processor and
its associated semiconductor process (which pays for the
"Cray's" BTW) so dwarfs the incremental manufacturing cost of
said processor the table *has* tilted to the mass market micro.
....in much the same way the market tilted toward mass-market
software (Win).

Opteron is an interesting wild card, but it will probably do more to
cause anxiety among Intel execs than to save AMD's hide. My suspicion
is that AMD is not nearly as enthusiastic about Athlon64 as are its
hobbyist cheerleaders, because I think AMD knows full well that its
long term survival is more tied to competing with Centrino for the
mobile/low power market that is growing than it is to competing for a
desktop market that is shrinking.

I don't think AMD feels this way at all. Indeed they've always
been a renegade group (Sanders is one of the more colorful
characters of SiCity), but they do think they can give Intel a
bloody nose in a "fair fight". AMD has been tenacious (if not
wholly successful) since the K5. They're cruising for a head-
banger.

--
Keith

And IMHO, they need to do their own chipsets, not leave it to 3rd party
vendors who can only see the gaming market.

DW

"Frank Weston" wrote in message
...
: "Roger Squires" wrote in message
: news : If AMD spreads the news, is able to lower prices,
: and releases the desktop version in time,
:
: They've already failed at all of these. It should have been out
: months
: ago; motherboard manufacturers and oems are *still* taking a
wait-and-see
: attitude; there's no 64bit Windows ready; and the delay has been a gift
to
: Intel, allowing them ample time to ramp and tweak the P4 til any
Athlon64
: speed advantage is gone, not to mention the cool new features they've
: added.
:
: Who's going to buy an expensive 1.8ghz Athlon64 that is barely on a par
: with
: an P4-3200, and still loses in the all-important media benchmarks? Not
: me,
: not until it's shown this thing can overclock reliably to 2.5ghz anyway.
:
:
: I can't disagree with Roger. I'm a long time AMD fan, but a few months
ago
: I jumped to an Intel 2.8, 800 FSB, and I have to say It's a pretty sweet
: setup. The Athlon64 may be a little too little a little too late for the
: reasons Roger points out. Hopefully AMD will come through with a
processor
: that's competitive cost and performance wise sometime soon, because
they're
: probably the only thing standing between us and paying $thousands$ for an
: Intel processor.
:
: