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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 9/1/2018 8:36 PM, Ed Light wrote:
On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive.* It will address the 4 TB internal drive though.* So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. Maybe a bios update. Also, for some brands, tech support is helpful. For one board, Gigabyte spun me a new bios. But for another they said get a more expensive board, even though included bios settings didn't work. I updated to the last BIOS released. The mb is old, six years now. Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 9/6/2018 3:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
I updated to the last BIOS released.* The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Have you tried resetting the bios? -- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Send spam to the FTC at Thanks, robots. |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 9/1/2018 8:36 PM, Ed Light wrote: On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive. It will address the 4 TB internal drive though. So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. Maybe a bios update. Also, for some brands, tech support is helpful. For one board, Gigabyte spun me a new bios. But for another they said get a more expensive board, even though included bios settings didn't work. I updated to the last BIOS released. The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Is this a 4Kn drive ? Get the model number off the drive label. Paul |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 9/12/2018 9:16 PM, Paul wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote: On 9/1/2018 8:36 PM, Ed Light wrote: On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive.* It will address the 4 TB internal drive though.* So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. Maybe a bios update. Also, for some brands, tech support is helpful. For one board, Gigabyte spun me a new bios. But for another they said get a more expensive board, even though included bios settings didn't work. I updated to the last BIOS released.* The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Is this a 4Kn drive ? Get the model number off the drive label. ** Paul WD model WD80EZAZ-11TDBA0 with the white label. I am not sure but I'll bet that it is a 4KB sector drive. Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 9/12/2018 7:47 PM, Ed Light wrote:
On 9/6/2018 3:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: I updated to the last BIOS released.* The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Have you tried resetting the bios? That would get me the first version of the BIOS, right ? Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 9/12/2018 7:47 PM, Ed Light wrote: On 9/6/2018 3:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: I updated to the last BIOS released.* The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Have you tried resetting the bios? That would get me the first version of the BIOS, right ? No, it resets CMOS datas in your BIOS. -- Quote of the Week: "Number fourteen. The naughty bits of an ant." --Monty Python's Flying Circus Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / http://antfarm.ma.cx / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail privately. If credit- | |o o| | ing, then please kindly use Ant nickname and URL/link. \ _ / ( ) |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 9/12/2018 9:16 PM, Paul wrote: Lynn McGuire wrote: On 9/1/2018 8:36 PM, Ed Light wrote: On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive. It will address the 4 TB internal drive though. So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. Maybe a bios update. Also, for some brands, tech support is helpful. For one board, Gigabyte spun me a new bios. But for another they said get a more expensive board, even though included bios settings didn't work. I updated to the last BIOS released. The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Is this a 4Kn drive ? Get the model number off the drive label. Paul WD model WD80EZAZ-11TDBA0 with the white label. I am not sure but I'll bet that it is a 4KB sector drive. Lynn OK, the good news is, you don't need a new motherboard or endless BIOS updates. Your drive has the "3.3V reset" feature. "The Pesky PWDIS Feature In Newer SATA Specs" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hd...ure,36146.html "...the existence of the power disable (PWDIS) feature in HDDs that follow the newer SATA 3.3 (announced on February 16, 2016) and SATA 3.2+ specifications." "This means that if you combine a PSU with the older SATA connectors, featuring 3.3V at P3, and a new HDD that supports the power disable feature, the HDD won't ever start because it will see a continuous high-state signal on P3. It will get stuck in a hard reset condition, which will prevent the HDD from spinning up." Translated into English, the SATA power is like this. Note, I didn't look up the pinout, and just wanted to capture the "five by three" nature of the pinout. SATA has three power rails, and enough ground connections for the device to use any two rails if it wanted. 3.3V 3.3V 3.3V === Not used on 3.5", but if 3.3V is present here, is a RESET signal GND GND GND 5.0V 3.5" logic board power 5.0V 3.5" logic board power 5.0V 3.5" logic board power GND GND GND 12V 3.5" drive motor power 12V 3.5" drive motor power 12V 3.5" drive motor power When you look in your PC, the ATX supply has five wires feeding the 15 pin SATA power. That means your ATX is equipped to power *any* storage device with SATA interface. Or, that's what they thought years ago. They thought at the time, that putting 3.3V on there was a good idea. Hardly any storage devices use 3.3V today. There were some 1.8" SSDs with microSATA, which were powered by 3.3V, but that has died out. 2.5" SSDs (i.e. for laptops) would use 5V. OK, now consider the lowly Molex to SATA adapter cable. X \ X \___ pins not connected, perfect for your drive!!! X / Molex GND GND GND GND red 5V 5.0V 3.5" logic board power 5.0V 3.5" logic board power 5.0V 3.5" logic board power black GND GND GND GND yellow 12V 12V 3.5" drive motor power 12V 3.5" drive motor power 12V 3.5" drive motor power Since a Molex doesn't have a 3.3V wire, there's no way for PWDIS to be triggered if you use one of these adapter wires. While you can cut the 3.3V wire with side cutters, on the feed from the ATX, that's a little bit harsh, and there's always a danger the cut end could short out to something in the PC and cause damage. Try an adapter cable and it should start right up. Paul |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 9/13/2018 7:56 PM, Paul wrote:
Lynn McGuire wrote: On 9/12/2018 9:16 PM, Paul wrote: Lynn McGuire wrote: On 9/1/2018 8:36 PM, Ed Light wrote: On 8/15/2018 12:04 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: However, my office pc will not address the 8 TB internal drive. It will address the 4 TB internal drive though.* So, my conclusion is that my 5 year old Gigabyte Z68XP motherboard cannot address the 8 TB drive. Maybe a bios update. Also, for some brands, tech support is helpful. For one board, Gigabyte spun me a new bios. But for another they said get a more expensive board, even though included bios settings didn't work. I updated to the last BIOS released.* The mb is old, six years now. Lynn Is this a 4Kn drive ? Get the model number off the drive label. *** Paul WD model WD80EZAZ-11TDBA0 with the white label.* I am not sure but I'll bet that it is a 4KB sector drive. Lynn OK, the good news is, you don't need a new motherboard or endless BIOS updates. Your drive has the "3.3V reset" feature. "The Pesky PWDIS Feature In Newer SATA Specs" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hd...ure,36146.html ** "...the existence of the power disable (PWDIS) feature in HDDs *** that follow the newer SATA 3.3 (announced on February 16, 2016) *** and SATA 3.2+ specifications." ** "This means that if you combine a PSU with the older SATA connectors, *** featuring 3.3V at P3, and a new HDD that supports the power disable *** feature, the HDD won't ever start because it will see a continuous *** high-state signal on P3. It will get stuck in a hard reset condition, *** which will prevent the HDD from spinning up." Translated into English, the SATA power is like this. Note, I didn't look up the pinout, and just wanted to capture the "five by three" nature of the pinout. SATA has three power rails, and enough ground connections for the device to use any two rails if it wanted. ** 3.3V ** 3.3V ** 3.3V** === Not used on 3.5", but if 3.3V is present here, is a RESET signal ** GND ** GND ** GND ** 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ** 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ** 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ** GND ** GND ** GND ** 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power ** 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power ** 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power When you look in your PC, the ATX supply has five wires feeding the 15 pin SATA power. That means your ATX is equipped to power *any* storage device with SATA interface. Or, that's what they thought years ago. They thought at the time, that putting 3.3V on there was a good idea. Hardly any storage devices use 3.3V today. There were some 1.8" SSDs with microSATA, which were powered by 3.3V, but that has died out. 2.5" SSDs (i.e. for laptops) would use 5V. OK, now consider the lowly Molex to SATA adapter cable. ************ X \ ************ X* \___ pins not connected, perfect for your drive!!! ************ X* / Molex* GND** GND ************ GND ************ GND * red* 5V*** 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ************ 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ************ 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power black* GND** GND ************ GND ************ GND yellow 12V** 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power ************ 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power ************ 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power Since a Molex doesn't have a 3.3V wire, there's no way for PWDIS to be triggered if you use one of these adapter wires. While you can cut the 3.3V wire with side cutters, on the feed from the ATX, that's a little bit harsh, and there's always a danger the cut end could short out to something in the PC and cause damage. Try an adapter cable and it should start right up. ** Paul I actually have a couple of these. I will try it out tomorrow. Thanks ! Lynn |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:20:14 -0500, Lynn McGuire
wrote: On 9/13/2018 7:56 PM, Paul wrote: When you look in your PC, the ATX supply has five wires feeding the 15 pin SATA power. That means your ATX is equipped to power *any* storage device with SATA interface. Or, that's what they thought years ago. They thought at the time, that putting 3.3V on there was a good idea. Hardly any storage devices use 3.3V today. There were some 1.8" SSDs with microSATA, which were powered by 3.3V, but that has died out. 2.5" SSDs (i.e. for laptops) would use 5V. OK, now consider the lowly Molex to SATA adapter cable. ************ X \ ************ X* \___ pins not connected, perfect for your drive!!! ************ X* / Molex* GND** GND ************ GND ************ GND * red* 5V*** 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ************ 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power ************ 5.0V** 3.5" logic board power black* GND** GND ************ GND ************ GND yellow 12V** 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power ************ 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power ************ 12V*** 3.5" drive motor power Since a Molex doesn't have a 3.3V wire, there's no way for PWDIS to be triggered if you use one of these adapter wires. While you can cut the 3.3V wire with side cutters, on the feed from the ATX, that's a little bit harsh, and there's always a danger the cut end could short out to something in the PC and cause damage. Try an adapter cable and it should start right up. ** Paul I actually have a couple of these. I will try it out tomorrow. Thanks ! Is it tomorrow yet? The suspense is killing me. |
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"Why I Will Never Buy a Hard Drive Again"
On 9/25/2018 9:08 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:20:14 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote: On 9/13/2018 7:56 PM, Paul wrote: When you look in your PC, the ATX supply has five wires feeding the 15 pin SATA power. That means your ATX is equipped to power *any* storage device with SATA interface. Or, that's what they thought years ago. They thought at the time, that putting 3.3V on there was a good idea. Hardly any storage devices use 3.3V today. There were some 1.8" SSDs with microSATA, which were powered by 3.3V, but that has died out. 2.5" SSDs (i.e. for laptops) would use 5V. OK, now consider the lowly Molex to SATA adapter cable. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* X \ Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* XÂ* \___ pins not connected, perfect for your drive!!! Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* XÂ* / MolexÂ* GNDÂ*Â* GND Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* GND Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* GND Â* redÂ* 5VÂ*Â*Â* 5.0VÂ*Â* 3.5" logic board power Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 5.0VÂ*Â* 3.5" logic board power Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 5.0VÂ*Â* 3.5" logic board power blackÂ* GNDÂ*Â* GND Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* GND Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* GND yellow 12VÂ*Â* 12VÂ*Â*Â* 3.5" drive motor power Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 12VÂ*Â*Â* 3.5" drive motor power Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 12VÂ*Â*Â* 3.5" drive motor power Since a Molex doesn't have a 3.3V wire, there's no way for PWDIS to be triggered if you use one of these adapter wires. While you can cut the 3.3V wire with side cutters, on the feed from the ATX, that's a little bit harsh, and there's always a danger the cut end could short out to something in the PC and cause damage. Try an adapter cable and it should start right up. Â*Â* Paul I actually have a couple of these. I will try it out tomorrow. Thanks ! Is it tomorrow yet? The suspense is killing me. Nope, did not get around to it yet. And I have an external drive backing up our LAN running at the moment. Takes about 5 to 7 days. Lynn |
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