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Old June 12th 15, 04:51 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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Default Skybuck's PC for 2015/2016. (inquiry)

Hello,

As some of you know I promised myself a new PC for 2016. Maybe it was going
to be an ARM thing or something....

However I do like the idea of owning a processor with my name in it:
"Skylake" processor

I did have a verbal fight once with somebody called "Lake" lol... but I can
get over that...

I like the instruction set design of this new processor. I also like idea
that it has sha256 build in.

Last time I designed a new machine/PC it took many months and many reviews.

I had some help from you guys providing links and such.

This time I also going to provide some requirements that my new PC has to
live up by.

It's not required to design an entire PC... because this is just a tiny
little sketch/inquiry into what's out there.

My main concern is HEAT.... last time... this was a major problem.
Eventually it was solved with low heat
components and also, which is very important. HEAT DETECTORS and FORCED
SHUTDOWN of system when OVERHEAT threatens to occur.

So my first question is basically this:

What motherboards are out there for Skylake processors which have OVERHEAT
DETECTION and OVERHEAT PROTECTION ?

(Currently my winfast motherboard can shutdown the PC during overheat...
which is GREAT, it keeps my PC healthy/functioning).
(Usually overheat will occur during GAMING and/or when cpu heatsink full of
dust).

My secondary cause of concern is VIRUSSES... HACKS/TROJANS/SPYWARE at the
BIOS LEVEL... EUFI level or whatever it's called nowadays.

Apperently these LOW LEVEL systems are NOT SAFE... and NSA is hacking into
computers.

Same with SSD cards.. ALSO A MAJOR CONCERN.

I don't like the idea of my new PC getting hacked or other misschief
happening.

I'd like to have a BIG ASS harddisk(). Total space at least 10 Terrabytes.

Potentially 20 TB... so I can dump game after game after game after on it.

Or dev studio after dev studio on it.

Maybe even 30 TB... or 32 TB to keep it a nice 2^power number

I have payed attention on www.tweakers.nl for new cases sometimes.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY CASE... which I would consider better than ANTEC 1200.

That case already many years old... can anybody truel say they have come
across a better case ?

I like the harddisks to be pointing with their connectors at the back..
towards the motherboard..

I don't like side-way placements for whatever reason... don't like it...
doesn't feel good.

Perhaps it's an airflow direction thing... perhaps sideway placement might
be bad for cooling.

I think that might be true... the backend of harddisks get hot... the power
connector.

I do like to have some glass window on the CPU and GPU to keep an eye out on
FAN rotation for safety purposes.

DDR4 seems wise.... new faster memory.. maybe somewhat expensive still but
nice for feature.

I am not sure about the "gpu-embedded" versions of skylake...

Perhaps a many-core skylake processor would better fit my needs....

I can have as much as 50 internet explorer windows open or even more..
sometimes maybe 100.

And many folders open...

I do believe multi-core will be better than an embedded gpu.... but not
entirely sure...

What is your experience with "multi-core" versus "embeded gpu in cpu" ?

Which processor works better for browsing ?

I am also not sure if multi-core skylake processor are an option for me.

There seem to be 20-core, 18-core, 24-core processors coming...

Those are probably way to hot.... server chips...

However is there anything in between ?

8-core ? 16 core ? 10 core ?

I will certainly not be happy with just 4 cores.

Way too little.

Even 8 cores... seems somewhat old nowadays... especially since 4 cores can
already have 4 hyper-cores.

I also want to have a slightly better system.. than those 4 + 4 hyper core
systems... just for kicks

But I am gonna put my foot down... 4 real cores... simply not enough... seen
the enormous ammount of time that has passed since 2006.

2 back then. Almost 10 years gone by... so 2^3 = 8.

2x8 = 16 cores should be available nowadays.

Something around 16 cores... might make me happy.

I have seen that the core frequency has gone up from 2.0 ghz... to 3.5 or
4.0 ghz... so that's kinda nice...

I might have to subtract that from this number...

So maybe 8-core system with double frequency... still somewhat acceptable...

Though I would also like this system... to last for 2 years maybe this
time... maybe a little bit longer 3 years... but not 10 years anymore...

I'd like to buy a new computer... after this one... pretty soon as well...
to try and benefit from architectural changes or new instructions or
whatever the future may hold.

My budget for this computer is somewhat uncertain... it will not be 6000
euro's like last time... or even 7k.. that pretty insane...

This time... I might cut it in half... 3000 euros...

Though... I did make some extra bucks on a side track lol... so additional
funds are available...

I kinda like my monitor... but I think it's a good idea.. to buy EVERYTHING
new.... just to make sure I have a good decent backup computer.

Then again... this old 24 inch monitor... might take up some space on my
desk. (Hp L2335)

Maybe there are better monitors available nowadays... with less specles...
diffraction filter... more clearity maybe...

Not sure yet if I want a 8k monitor... but having more space on the
screen... sure sounds like a cool/nice deal for me...

I may have to walk into a computer store... that sells these... to get some
idea what this is... or maybe review it on the internet...

More screen space seems welcome... then I could run 1024x768... side by
side... maybe even multiple that be cool.

Problem with 8k is big tax on the GPU thing...

I may be willing to give airflow for gpu another try... especially sine
nowdays I have a maid running around.. cleaning my house a bit.. me
helping...

so maybe the dust problem will be less....

GPU will have to contain as much RAM as possible.. for multi tasking
purposes... not truely required... but would be cool.

Main RAM should be stuff completely full with RAM as well... so the more the
merry. RAM kinda cheap nowadays last thing I heard... so good idea to stack
up...

however... DDR4 might be expensive

Dont 'like to be inside the PC too much... risk of damage.. so stuffing it
full seems a good way to go... thought slightly more expensive maybe.. I
don't think it will matter much
waiting for better DDR4 chips... so might as well go for it... soon enough.

Time scale for designing this new PC: a few months or so... until skylake
processor comes out... or in case I don't like... for example too little
cores... then I might look for something else.

The black case thing might be getting old... might it's time for a nice
shiney white one...... no more dark "niggas" on my desktop lol... back to
"snowwhites" =D lol.

Neh... color don't matter that much... but the silver black thing... getting
a bit old... white might look too much like a mac... but I think white could
be nice... if it a bit shiney maybe...

Though perhaps white might distract more... than black... during gaming...

black kinda falls away to background.

I don't like RED... I don't like RED lights in general.

I don't really like GREEN.

I REALLY like blue.

Blue is ok...

Blue stuff on motherboard... blue light...

I also light GOLD... so that ok too... a bit attention whorish.. but it's
ok.. I rather take GOLD than red or green.

The sky's just opened up above LOL... so much fokking rain... holy****...
coool...

It's skylake... it's announcing it's coming ! LOL.

Anyway bit of thunder too... kinda distracting... I filmed it too... kinda
funny coincidence.

Anyway... new mouse, new keyboard... definetly new keyboard... no wireless
crap... usb or ps/2... usb probably better/faster than ps/2 could be more
backwards compatible.
not sure if it has to be usb1/2/3 or whatever.

Me not too fund of systems which can fail... so me not too fund of SSD or
anything like that... but I might give it a try... very maybe...

Maybe for faster game loading or so...

I didn't use my DVD device much... I do use SD card reader for my cannon
camera...

Must have an SD card reader in it.

I kinda still like to have a floppy card reader in it... I know that sounds
weird... but it's for compatibility with my old computers... and maybe bios
updating or something.

Though I don't like bios updating... still didn't update my winfast
motherboard... so it stuck in 3GB mode... too risky to update it... can't
afford it to go dead on me

Aircooling is nice... easier to replace stuff... however... water cooling or
heat pipe cooling might also be looked at... but shouldn't be too
expensive...

So in short:

Let me know if you came by nice and interesting components lately.. that you
think might work well in other people's near future computers...

Or if you have something you looking out for... like beta hardware or
something that may came out soon...

Or reviews/links/information of current stuff available.

Case should be made of steel.. for maximum precision... plenty of
room/airflow... can be a medium or big tower.

Power usage can be between 200 watts to 600 watts... I'd prefer if it was a
bit lower... might be better in case I want to run secondary stuff.

Perhaps I will end up with two computers (old and new) which can draw as
much as 1200 power... so might become an issue for power cables and such..

Receiver is 600 to 700 watts... so that might go over the "power/watt"
budget of electrical grid/power cable... it's exceptable to turn off
receiver if both computers need to be on...

However... blow outs of power supplies and such rather not have that...

All must be of good quality... and safe quality.

I may also be in the market for a new audio system... but probably not...
the only reason could be to safe on watts... or to use it in case of dual
system usage...

Current audio system might be taken up too much watts... not sure about
that. I had a blow out once... but maybe that was a bad power supply or
weird electrical thing going on... like in ghostbusters it happens

The only piece of hardware I currently LUV to death is my X-FI Elite Pro
Soundblaster 7.1

It will probably be hard to replace... hardware-wise, connector-wise,
quality-wise, and especially software-wise...

I am really fund of it's interface... and crystalizer and such...

I know there are good new cards out there.. but 7.1 ? hmmm...

Also very few 7.1 systems out there nowdays it seems... but with profesional
gear... like receivers... it's possible to build your own.

That reminds me...

I might also be in the market for a new SUBWoofer... I don't have a
subwoofer... the last one GigaWorks S750... blew out/went kaputt...

Subwoofers can be heavy... so don't really bother with it... if you know a
really nice sounding subwoofer... that sounds like the one from GigaWorks
S750... let me know !

^ HAHA I know... weird/hardware requirement... but it sounded great ? I
think ?.... I don't want to turn into some RAVING lunatic... with some
Techno beat subwoofer...

It should match the rest of the Gigaworks titanium speakers... and it's
mostly ment to add some nice sound to music... and gaming weapons and
such... it should be subtly... and not overrule everything...

it should be warm and deep... and not take too much space preferably...
though I could also function as a table... though maybe that not a good idea
because of vibrations .

I may also have to order a new modem from my ISP... cause the old one is
kinda old... and adapter overheating sometimes... that reminds me I have to
get new adapter too..

but maybe it cannot grow in speed soon... or might not have IPv6
capabilities... it definetly does not have multi-computer support... so that
might be a good reason to ask my ISP to send me a new one...
so I can use both computers... it's a bit of a risk though... not sure how
good there new ones are... some new kind with wireless signals... which may
be health or interference risk.. or spy risk.

Which brings me to last point:

I still need a good printer which can last for a loooong time... without
being used... somehow my mother or family mentioned to kill off the HP
printer/scanner/copy device all in one... shame really... it was a nice
device... but it wouldn't power up anymore...
It was brought to the waste disposal facility... pretty insane.. .but my
mother argued... repairing would cost more... than buying a new one...
I don't need to print a lot... just very rarely... but if I do have a new
one... I might start using it a lot more... for "hard copies". I don't
really want one with expensive inkt... or inkt that could dry up.. it can
got hot in here... or warm... maybe a cheap laser printer is possible ?
laser/toner... slightly worse for health... but I have nice ventilation so
that be ok, otherwise forget printer.

I could go for a tiny little ipad like device... tablet... in case I need to
go somewhere... but it would have to be tiny... to fit into my pocket... I
kinda like paper though... at least it can't suddenly fail or run out of
power or whatever... so printer is still to be preferred somewhat for
safety/reliability reasons... though tablets have their own advantages...
maybe I will get both.. for redundancy.

So this can get costly... time for some budget estimation:

new harddisks:
32 terrabyte: 4x8 tb = 4x200 = 800 euros.

new memory:
64 GB of RAM: 4x16 GB = 4x125? = 500 euros.

new processor:
16 cores: 220 euros. (dual/two processors could be interesting too).

new case: 150 euro

new monitor: 800 euro (500 if 24 inch, 800 if 8k)

new keyboard: 40 euro

new mouse: 40 euro

new power supply: 150 euro

new graphics card: 300 euro.

new sd card reader: 25 euro

new ssd system: 100 euro.

perhaps new audio card: 125 euro.

new subwoofer: 80 euro

new printer: 80 euro

new tablet: 100 euro.

oh I see I forgot something haha...

new motherboard: 150 euro.

It should have a least one network adapter... preferably two, build in
audio/gpu not required, definetly must have overheat protection.

So let's sum this up and see what I get... these are just estimations... and
numbers I would be willing to pay for it.

800 + 500 + 220 + 150 + 800 + 40 + 40 + 150 + 300 + 25 + 100 + 125 + 80 + 80
+ 100 + 150

This time I will try to ask for a discount... if I buy it from one source to
try and cut back/save some money

Total price of all this new hardwa 3660 euro.

Pfew... that's well within my budget range... with some room to spare
perhaps...

Now if these prices are realistic... remains to be seen !

Your comments/feedback is welcome !

Bye,
for now,
Skybuck.

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Old June 12th 15, 05:04 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:51:16 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
wrote:

Hello,

As some of you know I promised myself a new PC for 2016. Maybe it was going
to be an ARM thing or something....


Get an iPad. Never, never think about opening it up.

And have the Apple genius guys install all the apps for you.


--

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jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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Old June 12th 15, 05:26 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,sci.electronics.design
philo
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On 06/12/2015 10:51 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

As some of you know I promised myself a new PC for 2016. Maybe it was
going to be an ARM thing or something....

However I do like the idea of owning a processor with my name in it:
"Skylake" processor

I did have a verbal fight once with somebody called "Lake" lol... but I
can get over that...

I like the instruction set design of this new processor. I also like
idea that it has sha256 build in.

Last time I designed a new machine/PC it took many months and many reviews.





snip


Since a CPU is probably the least likely of all components to fail and
considering that a new machine will be obsolete in a few years anyway,
the last three machines I've built for people have been with the
inexpensive all-in-one motherboard/cpu combos.

The machine I built for my wife was a quad-core with 32 gigs of RAM


Works great, was super-easy to assemble and the power draw is very very
low. Not much chance of over-heating.


One of these days I may even build a new machine for myself.

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Old June 12th 15, 07:23 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
.. .

new monitor: 800 euro (500 if 24 inch, 800 if 8k)


new graphics card: 300 euro.


Nice troll. These entries are wacko, even for you. Definitely need a
50+ inch monitor, or you'll go blind or something. To game with a
4k monitor, you need something like 980 GTX in SLI or better, which
is much more than 300 euro. Therefore +power supply and cooling.

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Old June 12th 15, 07:42 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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Skybuck Flying schreef op 06/12/2015 om 05:51 PM:
Hello,


Get a Dell Tower 5810 with a 3.7GHz Xeon. Most quiet and fastest PC I
ever had and it has been designed with proper thermal management in mind
like most Dell systems.

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Old June 12th 15, 07:47 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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On 6/12/2015 11:51 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

As some of you know I promised myself a new PC for 2016. Maybe it was going
to be an ARM thing or something....

However I do like the idea of owning a processor with my name in it:
"Skylake" processor

I did have a verbal fight once with somebody called "Lake" lol... but I can
get over that...

I like the instruction set design of this new processor. I also like idea
that it has sha256 build in.

Last time I designed a new machine/PC it took many months and many reviews.

I had some help from you guys providing links and such.

This time I also going to provide some requirements that my new PC has to
live up by.

It's not required to design an entire PC... because this is just a tiny
little sketch/inquiry into what's out there.

My main concern is HEAT.... last time... this was a major problem.
Eventually it was solved with low heat
components and also, which is very important. HEAT DETECTORS and FORCED
SHUTDOWN of system when OVERHEAT threatens to occur.

So my first question is basically this:

What motherboards are out there for Skylake processors which have OVERHEAT
DETECTION and OVERHEAT PROTECTION ?

snip...

AFAIK, all Intel CPUs for the past couple of decades have included
over-temperature throttling, at least to the extent required to prevent
actual meltdowns. Seeing as there are no actual official releases about
Skylake's internals I couldn't say for sure but it does seem likely that
Intel will continue their previous practice.

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Old June 12th 15, 09:38 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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"John McGaw" wrote in message ...

On 6/12/2015 11:51 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Hello,

As some of you know I promised myself a new PC for 2016. Maybe it was
going
to be an ARM thing or something....

However I do like the idea of owning a processor with my name in it:
"Skylake" processor

I did have a verbal fight once with somebody called "Lake" lol... but I
can
get over that...

I like the instruction set design of this new processor. I also like idea
that it has sha256 build in.

Last time I designed a new machine/PC it took many months and many
reviews.

I had some help from you guys providing links and such.

This time I also going to provide some requirements that my new PC has to
live up by.

It's not required to design an entire PC... because this is just a tiny
little sketch/inquiry into what's out there.

My main concern is HEAT.... last time... this was a major problem.
Eventually it was solved with low heat
components and also, which is very important. HEAT DETECTORS and FORCED
SHUTDOWN of system when OVERHEAT threatens to occur.

So my first question is basically this:

What motherboards are out there for Skylake processors which have OVERHEAT
DETECTION and OVERHEAT PROTECTION ?



"
AFAIK, all Intel CPUs for the past couple of decades have included
over-temperature throttling, at least to the extent required to prevent
actual meltdowns. Seeing as there are no actual official releases about
Skylake's internals I couldn't say for sure but it does seem likely that
Intel will continue their previous practice.
"

Read my text very carefully, though I am sure you did, but perhaps you miss
understand.

I am 100% not interested in cpu throttling, gpu throttling, or cpu/gpu
overheat detection.

As far as I know the CPU is ultimately not the boss, neither is the GPU.

The motherboard is the BOSS, the motherboard decides if the system keeps
running or not.

(Possibly via BIOS).

It would be foolish to make CPU the boss anyway... since GPU can overheat
the system too.

Therefore something on the motherboard needs to decide when to cut power.

I believe this is what the winfast motherboard does. (Please correct me if I
am wrong).

I definetly want and need a motherboard like that for my new system.

Anything else will simply not do.

I'd rather keep running my current system.. then buying a system that will
burn itself to death.

If the computer industry/pc industry needs to go to hell before motherboard
manufacturers understand that then so be it.

I wish you all a lane down hell.

But I will not join that lane

Bye,
Skybuck.

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Old June 12th 15, 09:54 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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"James Van Buskirk" wrote in message ...

"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
.. .

new monitor: 800 euro (500 if 24 inch, 800 if 8k)


new graphics card: 300 euro.


"
Nice troll. These entries are wacko, even for you. Definitely need a
50+ inch monitor, or you'll go blind or something. To game with a
4k monitor, you need something like 980 GTX in SLI or better, which
is much more than 300 euro. Therefore +power supply and cooling.
"

No, some cpu manufacturers claim 8k+ ready !

Bye,
Skybuck.
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Old June 12th 15, 09:56 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
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"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
.. .



"James Van Buskirk" wrote in message ...

"Skybuck Flying" wrote in message
.. .

new monitor: 800 euro (500 if 24 inch, 800 if 8k)


new graphics card: 300 euro.


"
Nice troll. These entries are wacko, even for you. Definitely need a
50+ inch monitor, or you'll go blind or something. To game with a
4k monitor, you need something like 980 GTX in SLI or better, which
is much more than 300 euro. Therefore +power supply and cooling.
"

"
No, some cpu manufacturers claim 8k+ ready !
"

I will clearify this a bit.

The 8k+ is mostly ment for devving, editors, text.

I don't expect a cpu or gpu of 300 bucks to power it for gaming.

For gaming reduced resolution/settings could be used.

Or perhaps in future an gpu upgrade.

Bye,
Skybuck.

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Old June 12th 15, 09:59 PM posted to alt.comp.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.arch,sci.electronics.design
Skybuck Flying[_4_]
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However for STO (Star Trek Online)... a modest gpu might be enough to run
multiple game instances concurrent.

Even a few fps would be sufficient .

Bye,
Skybuck.

 




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