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Thanks. I checked; they are both cleared.
Unfortunately that isn't the problem. I just realized ... when the Compaq ran XPHome, it networked. The problem occurred after I reformatted it Summer 2002 and installed XP Pro. So the problem must be XP Pro-related. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:8InIb.705383$Fm2.607550@attbi_s04... Perhaps XP's built-in firewall is getting in the way. Go to your connections and right click the one called Local Area Network and select Properties. On the Advanced tab, ensure that "Protect my computer..." is unchecked. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I've just spent 2 hours trying to get the Dell Dimension 4500 and the Compaq laptop to see each other. NO LUCK. They both are logged in as the same username and password. There was nothing useful under Network Places so I ran the XP Networking Wizard on them (several times), restarting many times. I tried different workgroup names. A number of folders on each is Shared. Each time I go to Network Places, there is nothing. When I choose View Workgroup Computers, it sputters almost a minute, then says "(Workgroup name) is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available." The username has Administrator privileges on both. When under My Network Places, I choose View Network Connections, under LAN, then Local Area Connection, then Properties-General, 4 boxes are checked on each: Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, QoS Packet Scheduler, and TCP/IP Under Authentification, "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" is checked (I don't know what that means!). EAP type says "Smart Card or other Certicate" but there are other choices, "MD5-Challenge" and "Protected EAP" What else can it be? For 18 months now, I cannot get two XP computers to see each other! Nan "Albert Alcoceba" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:42:51 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. XP, like NT, is a proper secure operating system. You will need to create users on both machines with same login name and password. You will need to grant these users privileges to access the various resources you want shared. Albert Alcoceba http://www.racysrailway.com/ Remove REMOVE |
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Uncheck "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" and give it a
go. BTW, you can get rid of QoS Packet Scheduler. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:8InIb.705383$Fm2.607550@attbi_s04... Perhaps XP's built-in firewall is getting in the way. Go to your connections and right click the one called Local Area Network and select Properties. On the Advanced tab, ensure that "Protect my computer..." is unchecked. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I've just spent 2 hours trying to get the Dell Dimension 4500 and the Compaq laptop to see each other. NO LUCK. They both are logged in as the same username and password. There was nothing useful under Network Places so I ran the XP Networking Wizard on them (several times), restarting many times. I tried different workgroup names. A number of folders on each is Shared. Each time I go to Network Places, there is nothing. When I choose View Workgroup Computers, it sputters almost a minute, then says "(Workgroup name) is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available." The username has Administrator privileges on both. When under My Network Places, I choose View Network Connections, under LAN, then Local Area Connection, then Properties-General, 4 boxes are checked on each: Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, QoS Packet Scheduler, and TCP/IP Under Authentification, "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" is checked (I don't know what that means!). EAP type says "Smart Card or other Certicate" but there are other choices, "MD5-Challenge" and "Protected EAP" What else can it be? For 18 months now, I cannot get two XP computers to see each other! Nan "Albert Alcoceba" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:42:51 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. XP, like NT, is a proper secure operating system. You will need to create users on both machines with same login name and password. You will need to grant these users privileges to access the various resources you want shared. Albert Alcoceba http://www.racysrailway.com/ Remove REMOVE |
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But again, if your just on a home network, behind a firewall router, and
your machines are not on 24/7, you typically don't need to be particularly paranoid. Unless you have "adventurous" children! ;-) "Ray Setzer" wrote in message ... Make sure both computers belong to the same WORKGROUP. Don't confuse Workgroup with Domain. For basic home use, you just want a simple Workgroup. Sometimes XP will reset the Workgroup name to whatever it uses for a default. MSHOME or something like that. I have one computer here in my office lan that sometimes cannot access the network, and when I look at the network properties, its will have gone and changed the Workgroup name. XP is sets up easy for sharing. On XPPro, if you give FULL access to a folder, you will have allowed the Guest account to access that resouce. On XPHome, shareing a folder will always make that the case. But on XPPro you can fine tune the sharing a great deal, giving only specific users rights to do certain things, ect. But again, if your just on a home network, behind a firewall router, and your machines are not on 24/7, you typically don't need to be particularly paranoid. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. Nan "PC-Gladiator" wrote in message ... Actually, I think it has always been this way. When I was trying to get my first home network setup working with W95 & W98se systems, I found the login issue by accident. I hadn't seen it mentioned in any of the research I had done prior to my first networking adventure. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Scotty, I have found that any Win 95/98/me computer that needs to access resources on computer running Windows NT/2000/XP MUST have Client for Microsoft Networks installed and MUST login with a password. The lack of a login password, i.e. blank password, or simply hitting the login Cancel button on the 95/98/Me computer effectively prohibits access to any shared resources on the other computer. In other words, NT rules dictate that all computers in the net log in with passwords in order to access files and printers on an NT-class operating system. I hope this helps... Ben Myers On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:52:18 -0500, "Chopperdad" wrote: I have almost the exact opposite problem. So long I had the printer hooked up to the 98SE computer, I could print off of either computer via the network. When I switched it over the weekend to the XP computer, the 98SE would not print to it although it knew it was out there on the network. I can interchanges files and that, but I can't print to the printer from the 98SE machine now, but the speed that the printer prints from the XP Home has dramatic improved. |
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Thanks. I made both these changes on both.
That didn't fix it though. "PC-Gladiator" wrote in message ... Uncheck "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" and give it a go. BTW, you can get rid of QoS Packet Scheduler. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:8InIb.705383$Fm2.607550@attbi_s04... Perhaps XP's built-in firewall is getting in the way. Go to your connections and right click the one called Local Area Network and select Properties. On the Advanced tab, ensure that "Protect my computer..." is unchecked. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I've just spent 2 hours trying to get the Dell Dimension 4500 and the Compaq laptop to see each other. NO LUCK. They both are logged in as the same username and password. There was nothing useful under Network Places so I ran the XP Networking Wizard on them (several times), restarting many times. I tried different workgroup names. A number of folders on each is Shared. Each time I go to Network Places, there is nothing. When I choose View Workgroup Computers, it sputters almost a minute, then says "(Workgroup name) is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available." The username has Administrator privileges on both. When under My Network Places, I choose View Network Connections, under LAN, then Local Area Connection, then Properties-General, 4 boxes are checked on each: Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, QoS Packet Scheduler, and TCP/IP Under Authentification, "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" is checked (I don't know what that means!). EAP type says "Smart Card or other Certicate" but there are other choices, "MD5-Challenge" and "Protected EAP" What else can it be? For 18 months now, I cannot get two XP computers to see each other! Nan "Albert Alcoceba" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:42:51 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. XP, like NT, is a proper secure operating system. You will need to create users on both machines with same login name and password. You will need to grant these users privileges to access the various resources you want shared. Albert Alcoceba http://www.racysrailway.com/ Remove REMOVE |
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I do have the same workgroup name. I tried MSHome, then our name, then our
street name, then back to MSHome. I'm not that paranoid about security. I just wish we could print without using a 3.5" disk. And move files from one computer to another. And print from the web. Looks like I'll have to move 18GB (data from 2.5 yrs of college) from the Compaq to the Inspiron using a usb minidrive or buy a crossover cable. "Ray Setzer" wrote in message ... Make sure both computers belong to the same WORKGROUP. Don't confuse Workgroup with Domain. For basic home use, you just want a simple Workgroup. Sometimes XP will reset the Workgroup name to whatever it uses for a default. MSHOME or something like that. I have one computer here in my office lan that sometimes cannot access the network, and when I look at the network properties, its will have gone and changed the Workgroup name. XP is sets up easy for sharing. On XPPro, if you give FULL access to a folder, you will have allowed the Guest account to access that resouce. On XPHome, shareing a folder will always make that the case. But on XPPro you can fine tune the sharing a great deal, giving only specific users rights to do certain things, ect. But again, if your just on a home network, behind a firewall router, and your machines are not on 24/7, you typically don't need to be particularly paranoid. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. Nan "PC-Gladiator" wrote in message ... Actually, I think it has always been this way. When I was trying to get my first home network setup working with W95 & W98se systems, I found the login issue by accident. I hadn't seen it mentioned in any of the research I had done prior to my first networking adventure. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Scotty, I have found that any Win 95/98/me computer that needs to access resources on computer running Windows NT/2000/XP MUST have Client for Microsoft Networks installed and MUST login with a password. The lack of a login password, i.e. blank password, or simply hitting the login Cancel button on the 95/98/Me computer effectively prohibits access to any shared resources on the other computer. In other words, NT rules dictate that all computers in the net log in with passwords in order to access files and printers on an NT-class operating system. I hope this helps... Ben Myers On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:52:18 -0500, "Chopperdad" wrote: I have almost the exact opposite problem. So long I had the printer hooked up to the 98SE computer, I could print off of either computer via the network. When I switched it over the weekend to the XP computer, the 98SE would not print to it although it knew it was out there on the network. I can interchanges files and that, but I can't print to the printer from the 98SE machine now, but the speed that the printer prints from the XP Home has dramatic improved. |
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Are the machines connected to a router? Do they have local IP addresses
(192.168.....) or does each machine have an address assigned by your ISP? Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I checked; they are both cleared. Unfortunately that isn't the problem. I just realized ... when the Compaq ran XPHome, it networked. The problem occurred after I reformatted it Summer 2002 and installed XP Pro. So the problem must be XP Pro-related. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:8InIb.705383$Fm2.607550@attbi_s04... Perhaps XP's built-in firewall is getting in the way. Go to your connections and right click the one called Local Area Network and select Properties. On the Advanced tab, ensure that "Protect my computer..." is unchecked. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I've just spent 2 hours trying to get the Dell Dimension 4500 and the Compaq laptop to see each other. NO LUCK. They both are logged in as the same username and password. There was nothing useful under Network Places so I ran the XP Networking Wizard on them (several times), restarting many times. I tried different workgroup names. A number of folders on each is Shared. Each time I go to Network Places, there is nothing. When I choose View Workgroup Computers, it sputters almost a minute, then says "(Workgroup name) is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available." The username has Administrator privileges on both. When under My Network Places, I choose View Network Connections, under LAN, then Local Area Connection, then Properties-General, 4 boxes are checked on each: Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, QoS Packet Scheduler, and TCP/IP Under Authentification, "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" is checked (I don't know what that means!). EAP type says "Smart Card or other Certicate" but there are other choices, "MD5-Challenge" and "Protected EAP" What else can it be? For 18 months now, I cannot get two XP computers to see each other! Nan "Albert Alcoceba" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:42:51 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. XP, like NT, is a proper secure operating system. You will need to create users on both machines with same login name and password. You will need to grant these users privileges to access the various resources you want shared. Albert Alcoceba http://www.racysrailway.com/ Remove REMOVE |
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Ok, this is just serioulsy bizzare. Its not SUPPOSED to be that hard!
1. If both computers belong to the same Workgroup, you 'Should' see them in "Computers Near Me". 2. If you take a folder or printer on one machine and give it full sharing rights, then it 'should' be visable to anyone on the network. All this enable this, and add user that and password this is all decent advice, and very appropriate for the advanced user wanting a secure network, but for the old basic, "Lets just get this puppy up and working" test, none of that should be the sticking point. This is just weird. I have half a dozen XP Pros running, all connected to a simple router where they get their internet connection from and also get their network routing from. Everytime I plug a new one in, and give it the proper Workgroup name, it just reaches out and touches the others. Ok, You don't specify, but I'm assuming you have both XPpro machines connected to a router. I will also assume that both these machines are able to connect to the internet through this router. You don't indicate a problem about that, and you did mention DSL, so we're probably on the right track. If this is NOT the case however, then there is a potential Ah-ha, there. But if both are connected to a router, and both are able to access the internet through that router, then we know both are meeting at router at least. So, if BOTH machines belong to the same Workgroup. And you have Shared a printer on one XP machine, and you see the little "Hand" on the printer that indicates sharing, its supposed to be available to any machine on the same Workgroup. At least its supposed to be that simple. W98 to XP and W98 or XP to W2k machines can be a little cranky, but XPpro to XPpro should, on the most basic "yes I see this other computer" level be almost like two tin cans and a string, right out of the box, no special tweaking needed. (Oddly enough, W98 was actually quite user friendly in the networking department, but it lacked any security, and these days, that can be very bad.) One last question. By any chance to you have any any software firewall stuff running. Like maybe Zone Alarm or one of the packages from Norton or Mcafee, ect that have virus protection plus other bells and whistles like internet security? Its a shot in the dark, but if you do have something like this running, there is another potential "Ah-ha" moment. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I do have the same workgroup name. I tried MSHome, then our name, then our street name, then back to MSHome. I'm not that paranoid about security. I just wish we could print without using a 3.5" disk. And move files from one computer to another. And print from the web. Looks like I'll have to move 18GB (data from 2.5 yrs of college) from the Compaq to the Inspiron using a usb minidrive or buy a crossover cable. "Ray Setzer" wrote in message ... Make sure both computers belong to the same WORKGROUP. Don't confuse Workgroup with Domain. For basic home use, you just want a simple Workgroup. Sometimes XP will reset the Workgroup name to whatever it uses for a default. MSHOME or something like that. I have one computer here in my office lan that sometimes cannot access the network, and when I look at the network properties, its will have gone and changed the Workgroup name. XP is sets up easy for sharing. On XPPro, if you give FULL access to a folder, you will have allowed the Guest account to access that resouce. On XPHome, shareing a folder will always make that the case. But on XPPro you can fine tune the sharing a great deal, giving only specific users rights to do certain things, ect. But again, if your just on a home network, behind a firewall router, and your machines are not on 24/7, you typically don't need to be particularly paranoid. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. Nan "PC-Gladiator" wrote in message ... Actually, I think it has always been this way. When I was trying to get my first home network setup working with W95 & W98se systems, I found the login issue by accident. I hadn't seen it mentioned in any of the research I had done prior to my first networking adventure. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Scotty, I have found that any Win 95/98/me computer that needs to access resources on computer running Windows NT/2000/XP MUST have Client for Microsoft Networks installed and MUST login with a password. The lack of a login password, i.e. blank password, or simply hitting the login Cancel button on the 95/98/Me computer effectively prohibits access to any shared resources on the other computer. In other words, NT rules dictate that all computers in the net log in with passwords in order to access files and printers on an NT-class operating system. I hope this helps... Ben Myers On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:52:18 -0500, "Chopperdad" wrote: I have almost the exact opposite problem. So long I had the printer hooked up to the 98SE computer, I could print off of either computer via the network. When I switched it over the weekend to the XP computer, the 98SE would not print to it although it knew it was out there on the network. I can interchanges files and that, but I can't print to the printer from the 98SE machine now, but the speed that the printer prints from the XP Home has dramatic improved. |
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Thanks. I'll check the ISP addresses ... I'm not sure about that.
(And maybe that is different since switching from Netgear to the Belkin Wireless router. I haven't connected the Win98 machines since switching to Belkin.) Ray has a good point too, about Norton possibly playing a role. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:m4AIb.178975$8y1.559745@attbi_s52... Are the machines connected to a router? Do they have local IP addresses (192.168.....) or does each machine have an address assigned by your ISP? Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I checked; they are both cleared. Unfortunately that isn't the problem. I just realized ... when the Compaq ran XPHome, it networked. The problem occurred after I reformatted it Summer 2002 and installed XP Pro. So the problem must be XP Pro-related. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:8InIb.705383$Fm2.607550@attbi_s04... Perhaps XP's built-in firewall is getting in the way. Go to your connections and right click the one called Local Area Network and select Properties. On the Advanced tab, ensure that "Protect my computer..." is unchecked. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I've just spent 2 hours trying to get the Dell Dimension 4500 and the Compaq laptop to see each other. NO LUCK. They both are logged in as the same username and password. There was nothing useful under Network Places so I ran the XP Networking Wizard on them (several times), restarting many times. I tried different workgroup names. A number of folders on each is Shared. Each time I go to Network Places, there is nothing. When I choose View Workgroup Computers, it sputters almost a minute, then says "(Workgroup name) is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available." The username has Administrator privileges on both. When under My Network Places, I choose View Network Connections, under LAN, then Local Area Connection, then Properties-General, 4 boxes are checked on each: Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, QoS Packet Scheduler, and TCP/IP Under Authentification, "Enable IEEE 802.1x authentification for this network" is checked (I don't know what that means!). EAP type says "Smart Card or other Certicate" but there are other choices, "MD5-Challenge" and "Protected EAP" What else can it be? For 18 months now, I cannot get two XP computers to see each other! Nan "Albert Alcoceba" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 06:42:51 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. XP, like NT, is a proper secure operating system. You will need to create users on both machines with same login name and password. You will need to grant these users privileges to access the various resources you want shared. Albert Alcoceba http://www.racysrailway.com/ Remove REMOVE |
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Thanks a lot, Ray. For the tips and for understanding my frustration.
The Sharing hands are visible, the DSL works on all. I only have one 50' cable here now, so I've only tried one XP laptop at a time. They are all connected (at times) through a new Belkin Wireless Router. (I had a very reliable NetGear Gateway Router until Nov.30, but the XPs didn't network then either.) But (Duh!) your last point could be the key. They each have Norton Internet Security 2003 installed! That wasn't a problem with the Win98s, but it's possible I haven't used them much since the Norton 2002 expired and I replaced with 2003. Now that you mention it, we recently set up 5 new computers and a server at my husband's office. After I installed my Norton 2003 on the workstations there, it created sharing problems. You cannot install just the Anti-Virus part of Norton Internet Security 2003. But we could and did "disable" the Internet Security portion, and that fixed the problem there. I will try disabling the Norton Internet Security on all here, and see if that is the problem. I didn't even think of that till you mentioned it! I'll report back in a few hours. Nan PS: Getting the wireless Dell TrueMobile 1300 WLAN miniPCI card that I purchased on the new Inspiron to work is another matter! "Ray Setzer" wrote in message ... Ok, this is just serioulsy bizzare. Its not SUPPOSED to be that hard! 1. If both computers belong to the same Workgroup, you 'Should' see them in "Computers Near Me". 2. If you take a folder or printer on one machine and give it full sharing rights, then it 'should' be visable to anyone on the network. All this enable this, and add user that and password this is all decent advice, and very appropriate for the advanced user wanting a secure network, but for the old basic, "Lets just get this puppy up and working" test, none of that should be the sticking point. This is just weird. I have half a dozen XP Pros running, all connected to a simple router where they get their internet connection from and also get their network routing from. Everytime I plug a new one in, and give it the proper Workgroup name, it just reaches out and touches the others. Ok, You don't specify, but I'm assuming you have both XPpro machines connected to a router. I will also assume that both these machines are able to connect to the internet through this router. You don't indicate a problem about that, and you did mention DSL, so we're probably on the right track. If this is NOT the case however, then there is a potential Ah-ha, there. But if both are connected to a router, and both are able to access the internet through that router, then we know both are meeting at router at least. So, if BOTH machines belong to the same Workgroup. And you have Shared a printer on one XP machine, and you see the little "Hand" on the printer that indicates sharing, its supposed to be available to any machine on the same Workgroup. At least its supposed to be that simple. W98 to XP and W98 or XP to W2k machines can be a little cranky, but XPpro to XPpro should, on the most basic "yes I see this other computer" level be almost like two tin cans and a string, right out of the box, no special tweaking needed. (Oddly enough, W98 was actually quite user friendly in the networking department, but it lacked any security, and these days, that can be very bad.) One last question. By any chance to you have any any software firewall stuff running. Like maybe Zone Alarm or one of the packages from Norton or Mcafee, ect that have virus protection plus other bells and whistles like internet security? Its a shot in the dark, but if you do have something like this running, there is another potential "Ah-ha" moment. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I do have the same workgroup name. I tried MSHome, then our name, then our street name, then back to MSHome. I'm not that paranoid about security. I just wish we could print without using a 3.5" disk. And move files from one computer to another. And from the web. Looks like I'll have to move 18GB (data from 2.5 yrs of college) from the Compaq to the Inspiron using a usb minidrive or buy a crossover cable. "Ray Setzer" wrote in message ... Make sure both computers belong to the same WORKGROUP. Don't confuse Workgroup with Domain. For basic home use, you just want a simple Workgroup. Sometimes XP will reset the Workgroup name to whatever it uses for a default. MSHOME or something like that. I have one computer here in my office lan that sometimes cannot access the network, and when I look at the network properties, its will have gone and changed the Workgroup name. XP is sets up easy for sharing. On XPPro, if you give FULL access to a folder, you will have allowed the Guest account to access that resouce. On XPHome, shareing a folder will always make that the case. But on XPPro you can fine tune the sharing a great deal, giving only specific users rights to do certain things, ect. But again, if your just on a home network, behind a firewall router, and your machines are not on 24/7, you typically don't need to be particularly paranoid. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Before changing routers, I never needed a password on my primary computer (Dell Dimension 4500, WinXPPro) and could access files on Win98 computers (and vice-versa) when they were connected by cable. The Win98's had a password. But like I said earlier, the XPPro laptop (a Compaq) has never shared or printed with either the Win98s or the Dimension. Now we've added a new Dell Inspiron laptop (XPPro) and it cannot share or print either. I'm beginning to wonder ... do you have to run Win98 in order to network? I just cannot get two XP computers to see each other. I don't understand why. Nan "PC-Gladiator" wrote in message ... Actually, I think it has always been this way. When I was trying to get my first home network setup working with W95 & W98se systems, I found the login issue by accident. I hadn't seen it mentioned in any of the research I had done prior to my first networking adventure. ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Scotty, I have found that any Win 95/98/me computer that needs to access resources on computer running Windows NT/2000/XP MUST have Client for Microsoft Networks installed and MUST login with a password. The lack of a login password, i.e. blank password, or simply hitting the login Cancel button on the 95/98/Me computer effectively prohibits access to any shared resources on the other computer. In other words, NT rules dictate that all computers in the net log in with passwords in order to access files and printers on an NT-class operating system. I hope this helps... Ben Myers On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:52:18 -0500, "Chopperdad" wrote: I have almost the exact opposite problem. So long I had the printer hooked up to the 98SE computer, I could print off of either computer via the network. When I switched it over the weekend to the XP computer, the 98SE would not print to it although it knew it was out there on the network. I can interchanges files and that, but I can't print to the printer from the 98SE machine now, but the speed that the printer prints from the XP Home has dramatic improved. |
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