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I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings.
There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSLconnections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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It would do no hard to do these things on all the machines, but it is only
the Compaq that has the problem, so I would not meddle with the others unnecessarily. Can the Dell successfully ping by name and ping by address? Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks, Angus. I'm going to try these things. *I'm assuming these are mostly things I am checking on the Compaq, right? *Unless I try changing workgroup name again, are these comparisons I can make using only this Dell 4500 and the Compaq (instead of all 4 at once)? I have these two about 4 ' apart now, using one chair. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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On the DNS tab "Append primary and connection specific..." is the correct
entry to select, the "Append parent..." should be checked and "Register this connection..." should be checked. (although these settings probably do not affect anything in your environment). On the WINS tab it is irrelevant whether you enable LMHOSTS lookup, and you should select the default NetBIOS setting. If none of this helps, then I would go back to my earlier suggestion of installing WinXP Pro again - at least you know what you're dealing with then. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired an wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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Goto Windows Explorer--Tools--Folder Options--View tab. If you scroll all the way down in the window, the last option is "Use Simple File Sharing (recommended)". Is it checked? "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And ther install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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Yes, the two Dells can ping each other by name (even under a different
Login). The Compaq can only ping and be pinged using IP address (192.168.2.99). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message newsoVJb.729978$HS4.5466507@attbi_s01... It would do no hard to do these things on all the machines, but it is only the Compaq that has the problem, so I would not meddle with the others unnecessarily. Can the Dell successfully ping by name and ping by address? Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks, Angus. I'm going to try these things. *I'm assuming these are mostly things I am checking on the Compaq, right? *Unless I try changing workgroup name again, are these comparisons I can make using only this Dell 4500 and the Compaq (instead of all 4 at once)? I have these two about 4 ' apart now, using one chair. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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Thanks, Angus and PCGladiator. All these settings are correct and the same
on both computers. Maybe it's time to just give up! Although it does seem odd that the Compaq can ping by IP address but not by name. So I think I will try changing the Workgroup name one last time, to something I haven't used before. It that doesn't magically solve it, I'll give up. Re reinstalling XPPro, ... Do I need to totally reformat the harddrive, etc and reinstall all applications? Or is it worth trying to just reinstall Windows XP? And ... Is it possible that I could get Wireless networking set up on the Compaq, even if I can't do wired? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:fSVJb.745170$Fm2.672917@attbi_s04... On the DNS tab "Append primary and connection specific..." is the correct entry to select, the "Append parent..." should be checked and "Register this connection..." should be checked. (although these settings probably do not affect anything in your environment). On the WINS tab it is irrelevant whether you enable LMHOSTS lookup, and you should select the default NetBIOS setting. If none of this helps, then I would go back to my earlier suggestion of installing WinXP Pro again - at least you know what you're dealing with then. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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you have got - no surprises. Until you get wired networking to work, I wouldn't even try making wireless work - there are too many possibilities for things to go wrong. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks, Angus and PCGladiator. All these settings are correct and the same on both computers. Maybe it's time to just give up! Although it does seem odd that the Compaq can ping by IP address but not by name. So I think I will try changing the Workgroup name one last time, to something I haven't used before. It that doesn't magically solve it, I'll give up. Re reinstalling XPPro, ... Do I need to totally reformat the harddrive, etc and reinstall all applications? Or is it worth trying to just reinstall Windows XP? And ... Is it possible that I could get Wireless networking set up on the Compaq, even if I can't do wired? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:fSVJb.745170$Fm2.672917@attbi_s04... On the DNS tab "Append primary and connection specific..." is the correct entry to select, the "Append parent..." should be checked and "Register this connection..." should be checked. (although these settings probably do not affect anything in your environment). On the WINS tab it is irrelevant whether you enable LMHOSTS lookup, and you should select the default NetBIOS setting. If none of this helps, then I would go back to my earlier suggestion of installing WinXP Pro again - at least you know what you're dealing with then. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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Thanks so much for your advice. I'll wait a week or so before reformatting.
We should probably focus on getting the Wireless to work on the new Dell 8500 now. He'll return to School Tues or Wed, and I hate to leave him to contact Dell alone (IF it is a real problem). I haven't read every paragraph in the Belkin guide, so maybe there's an answer in there. (Stupid me, believing TIME magazine that it was simple!) Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:JO0Kb.57025$I07.218432@attbi_s53... I would advise reformatting and reinstalling. That way you know exactly what you have got - no surprises. Until you get wired networking to work, I wouldn't even try making wireless work - there are too many possibilities for things to go wrong. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks, Angus and PCGladiator. All these settings are correct and the same on both computers. Maybe it's time to just give up! Although it does seem odd that the Compaq can ping by IP address but not by name. So I think I will try changing the Workgroup name one last time, to something I haven't used before. It that doesn't magically solve it, I'll give up. Re reinstalling XPPro, ... Do I need to totally reformat the harddrive, etc and reinstall all applications? Or is it worth trying to just reinstall Windows XP? And ... Is it possible that I could get Wireless networking set up on the Compaq, even if I can't do wired? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:fSVJb.745170$Fm2.672917@attbi_s04... On the DNS tab "Append primary and connection specific..." is the correct entry to select, the "Append parent..." should be checked and "Register this connection..." should be checked. (although these settings probably do not affect anything in your environment). On the WINS tab it is irrelevant whether you enable LMHOSTS lookup, and you should select the default NetBIOS setting. If none of this helps, then I would go back to my earlier suggestion of installing WinXP Pro again - at least you know what you're dealing with then. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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works. However, you don't want to run with the default settings because your wireless network (and the data on your machines) is open to anyone nearby. And if things don't go smoothly, then it can get quite difficult. Once you have a basic wireless connection working you should enable WPA or, if your router does not support WPA, then WEP. Once you have this working, change the router setting so that is does not broadcast the SSID (the network name). None of this keeps out determined hackers, but it is better than leaving everything defaulted where anyone else can connect, even by accident. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks so much for your advice. I'll wait a week or so before reformatting. We should probably focus on getting the Wireless to work on the new Dell 8500 now. He'll return to School Tues or Wed, and I hate to leave him to contact Dell alone (IF it is a real problem). I haven't read every paragraph in the Belkin guide, so maybe there's an answer in there. (Stupid me, believing TIME magazine that it was simple!) Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:JO0Kb.57025$I07.218432@attbi_s53... I would advise reformatting and reinstalling. That way you know exactly what you have got - no surprises. Until you get wired networking to work, I wouldn't even try making wireless work - there are too many possibilities for things to go wrong. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks, Angus and PCGladiator. All these settings are correct and the same on both computers. Maybe it's time to just give up! Although it does seem odd that the Compaq can ping by IP address but not by name. So I think I will try changing the Workgroup name one last time, to something I haven't used before. It that doesn't magically solve it, I'll give up. Re reinstalling XPPro, ... Do I need to totally reformat the harddrive, etc and reinstall all applications? Or is it worth trying to just reinstall Windows XP? And ... Is it possible that I could get Wireless networking set up on the Compaq, even if I can't do wired? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:fSVJb.745170$Fm2.672917@attbi_s04... On the DNS tab "Append primary and connection specific..." is the correct entry to select, the "Append parent..." should be checked and "Register this connection..." should be checked. (although these settings probably do not affect anything in your environment). On the WINS tab it is irrelevant whether you enable LMHOSTS lookup, and you should select the default NetBIOS setting. If none of this helps, then I would go back to my earlier suggestion of installing WinXP Pro again - at least you know what you're dealing with then. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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the Belkin book or other articles. I sure hope to understand this all much better soon. Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:hNdKb.290350$_M.1549441@attbi_s54... It can be very simple. Often, you just connect up everything and it just works. However, you don't want to run with the default settings because your wireless network (and the data on your machines) is open to anyone nearby. And if things don't go smoothly, then it can get quite difficult. Once you have a basic wireless connection working you should enable WPA or, if your router does not support WPA, then WEP. Once you have this working, change the router setting so that is does not broadcast the SSID (the network name). None of this keeps out determined hackers, but it is better than leaving everything defaulted where anyone else can connect, even by accident. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks so much for your advice. I'll wait a week or so before reformatting. We should probably focus on getting the Wireless to work on the new Dell 8500 now. He'll return to School Tues or Wed, and I hate to leave him to contact Dell alone (IF it is a real problem). I haven't read every paragraph in the Belkin guide, so maybe there's an answer in there. (Stupid me, believing TIME magazine that it was simple!) Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:JO0Kb.57025$I07.218432@attbi_s53... I would advise reformatting and reinstalling. That way you know exactly what you have got - no surprises. Until you get wired networking to work, I wouldn't even try making wireless work - there are too many possibilities for things to go wrong. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks, Angus and PCGladiator. All these settings are correct and the same on both computers. Maybe it's time to just give up! Although it does seem odd that the Compaq can ping by IP address but not by name. So I think I will try changing the Workgroup name one last time, to something I haven't used before. It that doesn't magically solve it, I'll give up. Re reinstalling XPPro, ... Do I need to totally reformat the harddrive, etc and reinstall all applications? Or is it worth trying to just reinstall Windows XP? And ... Is it possible that I could get Wireless networking set up on the Compaq, even if I can't do wired? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:fSVJb.745170$Fm2.672917@attbi_s04... On the DNS tab "Append primary and connection specific..." is the correct entry to select, the "Append parent..." should be checked and "Register this connection..." should be checked. (although these settings probably do not affect anything in your environment). On the WINS tab it is irrelevant whether you enable LMHOSTS lookup, and you should select the default NetBIOS setting. If none of this helps, then I would go back to my earlier suggestion of installing WinXP Pro again - at least you know what you're dealing with then. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I'm looking at Advanced TCP/IP Settings. There is nothing under DNS server addresses. In the middle section (on both computers), *there's a green selection dot in "Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes" and the sub-box "Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS suffix" is checked. I can uncheck the box but can only clear the "Append primary ..." if I choose instead "Append these DNS suffixes (in order)" Now, here's a difference at the bottom! There's a box "Register this connection's addresses in DNS." That box is checked on the Dell but not on the Compaq. ? Could this be it? Under WINS, At bottom, both computers have "Default" chosen for NetBIOS setting. In middle, the Dell has checked "Enable LMHOSTS lookup." The Compaq doesn't now (don't remember if I unchecked that box 10 min ago or if it was already unchecked). Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:i9AJb.209217$8y1.719725@attbi_s52... Your ping results identify where your problem probably lies - name resolution. It seems that the Compaq can't convert the machine name to an IP address. My guess is that the Compaq is trying to use an inappropriate DNS server (one that it used on campus perhaps, rather than the one provided by the router). You should check the properties of the Local Area Connection. On the General tab highlight the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" entry and click on the Properties button. It should show that the IP address and DNS server addresses are obtained automatically. Click on the Advanced button to open the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog. On the DNS tab there should be no entries - remove any that may be there. Similarly, remove any entries from the WINS tab. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... From the Compaq I tried the Search: nothing I tried Ping with different case variations of the name: nothing. BUT ... finally, when I pinged the IP address, 192.168.2.56 , that worked ... there and back in 1ms. (they are only 5' apart now!) What do these results mean? Should I change an IP address or redo the workgroup names on all of them? Nan "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:IukJb.196806$8y1.646741@attbi_s52... To search for another computer on the network, click on Start/Search, select "Computer or People", then "A computer on the network", enter it's name (e.g. granite) and click on the Search button. If it finds the computer, right click on it and select Open to see the shares. To ping a computer determines if it can be accessed at a more fundamental level. To do this click on Start/Run and enter "cmd" (without the quotes) in the field and click on OK. A command window will open. At the prompt type in "ping computername" and press Enter. The machine will resolve the name into the IP address and make 4 attempts to reach the target machine and tell how long the round trip took (or report an error if it could not be found). If it does not work, you may also want to try pinging the IP address of the remote machine directly. I don't think using the Dell CD on the Compaq would hurt - although you might be violating the license. Angus. "Whelan" wrote in message ... Thanks. I'll try un-installing the Verizon and other things from the Compaq. (After doing some PrintSceens to a doc in case he needs the info to get the Dell working in LA.) I'm feeling skeptical of the CAPS issue too. I typed it in CAPS on each machine and rebooted many times; the Compaq just ignores that and displays the name in title case. I don't think I can Search and Ping ... but I'm not really sure how to try. I'll bring the Compaq into this room with a 10' cable today. And maybe plug in its D-Link wireless card too. "Angus Macleod" wrote in message news:xefJb.194187$8y1.625805@attbi_s52... In defense of Belkin, I have installed two of their wireless routers in the past few weeks, and found them to be well made, easy to set up and reliable in use. Linksys is the yardstick by which I measure such things, and I rank Belkin and SMC as better than Linksys, Netgear as the same and D-Link as poorer than Linksys - based on my personal experiences. Also, the Belkin desktop wireless cards seem to have better range than Linksys. Concerning your Compaq, I would uninstall the Verizon DSL software - it may well include it's own firewall functionality. I would also remove all the unwanted connections. Given that you know how to do it, it might be best to reinstall XP Pro - that will also avoid any other legacies from the machine's college experience. I think the upper/lower case issue is a red herring on a WinXp Pro machine. Can you find the other machines by using Search? Can you ping them? Angus.. "Whelan" wrote in message ... I appreciate your experience with networking equipment. It is too late to return the Belkin; it was one of those Day After Thanksgiving specials. I'll just wait for the rebate and then maybe decide it was a $15 loss. My husband was ready to pay someone to put cables through the ceiling and walls. I thought WiFi would be cleaner cheaper and more convenient. IF it worked! (TIME magazine made it sound so easy in November!) At Andrew's apt, in Sept, they bought a D-Link Wireless Router (G). And a D-Link AirPlus ExtremeG Wireless Cardbus Adaptor DWL-G650, which worked in the Compaq for DSL. (No reason to share files with roommates!) We ordered DELL's TruMobile 1300WLAN 802.11b/g miniPCI card, built-in as part of the Dell Inspiron 8500 purchase. It was an extra cost. We were assuming that will work with the D-Link router in the apt. Guess he'll find out next week. (It sure doesn't notice the Belkin wireless router ... except now when connected by cable.) Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... I've never used a Belkin wireless router. My only interaction with Belkin routers has been that I replaced a 4-port one with a Linksys wireless router with 4 ports. In the past, Belkin has achieved something of a name in cables and simple devices like keyboards and USB hubs. Frankly, I don't have great faith in their networking. I have always used and installed (for clients) Linksys routers, wired and wireless, ever since I had a very positive experience with the first one which I installed here. And their install software has only gotten easier to use, except for certain DSL connections (e.g. Verizon). Netgear also has a respectable track record in networks. If the Belkin keeps dropping the connection, it is not worth even the $10 net you'll have spent if and when you ever get back the rebate. If that's what it is now doing, it will undoubtedly continue to do so, unless maybe Belkin has a firmware update to fix the problem. I have almost always used Orinoco Gold business class (i.e. more expensive but worth it) wireless cards in notebooks and long-distance wired desktops, with 100% success and cilent satisfaction. I'm trying to convince you to dump the Belkin (altho I can't directly link it to the problems you are having), if you can still get your money back where you bought it. There are inexpensive components and cheap ones. The cheap ones are not worth the time or the money... Ben Myers On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:12:44 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: Thanks, Ben. Yes, the CAPS problem is a mystery. This morning I remembered having seen an option, a checkbox, under Tools, Folder Options, to allow filenames in uppercase. Could it be that simple? No, I couldn't find it, so maybe I've just seen that option in 98. I browsed around REGEDIT but didn't discover where workgroup names were listed. There are hundreds, maybe a thousand, entries there! I have no idea what's involved in getting Wireless working. I assume we'll just be tapping into the existing network. But I do hope to make wireless work for the XP laptops. That's the only reason I replaced the good reliable Netgear router with this crummy Belkin router that sputters and briefly drops it connection all day long. If I wasn't getting a $70 rebate on the $80 cost of the Belkin, I'd have returned it in disgust. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... Yes, ALL CAPS eliminates the differences in how the workgroup names are handled by the various species of Windows. Gee, you'd think there would be some consistency here. Look at the Internet Options in Control Panel, the Connections tab, to be specific. Make sure that the radio button "Never Dial a Connection" is set. This should keep Verizon from popping up. You may have to change the workgroup name in the Compaq to all caps using REGEDIT, unless someone else can come up with a better idea... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 22:26:30 GMT, "Whelan" wrote: I have rebooted at least 50 times. From what I read in this thread, I was careful to make the Login name, password, and workgroup name the same everywhere and in CAPITAL letters. And I have disabled Norton Internet Security everywhere. As of 3am, the new Dell 8500 laptop (when connected by cable) and the old Gateway laptop and the Dell 4500 could see each other's shared folders and the printer. But the COMPAQ is still a big problem. It cannot see anything but the workgroup name and its own shared folders. It displays the workgroup name in mixed case, not capitals. Thinking no CAPS was the problem, I changed the workgroup name, added new workgroup, rebooting more than 20 times, for 1½ hours. The workgroup always reappears without CAPs. After every change and reboot, the Compaq opens with a Dialup Connection dialogue box, listing Verizon DSL but wanting to dial. There is no cable in the modem jack and nothing in the startup menu to explain it. Other odd things about the Compaq: Under Network Connections, it lists many things, leftover from my son's college apt. *Under Broadband heading is: Verizon DSL, Disconnected, WAN Miniport (PPPOE) (There's a wireless PCMIA card somewhere, but a usb2 card is currently in the slot.) *Under Dial-up, there are 4 listings, for travel (all Disconnected) *Under LAN or High-Speed Internet: Whelan LAN, Enabled, Intel Pro/100 S Mobile LAN on Motherboard (that's the one I am plugged into and reading Properties for). BTW, the Compaq was my son's ... but he will return to college next week with the new DELL 8500, leaving the Compaq behind for me. I'd actually like to use it wireless, if that worked. Tired of stepping over the 50' blue cable! But I've never used anything wireless or seen wireless working. And the wireless in the Dell 8500 (an extra cost item) hasn't worked yet. That will be the next problem to solve. Nan ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote in message ... And after changing the workgroup name, prepare yourself for yet another reboot for the new workgroup name to become effective... Ben Myers On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 15:42:46 GMT, "Angus Macleod" wrote: To change the computer or workgroup names on Win98, right click on Network Neighborhood and select properties. The Identification tab allows you to change the names. Angus. |
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