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"Barry Watzman" wrote in message ... It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they do not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating system. XP was the same way. snip I don't remember the distaste for XP as being nearly this pronounced. Yes, there were issues. But in context, consumers were pretty accepting of XP as most were eager to leave WinMe. Very eager. Corporates were either living with NT4 or 5 (Win2K, and some still are) and were in no rush to migrate. I don't think many people would argue about the stability and improvement of WinXP Home over WinMe. The excitement for Vista has been underwhelming, imo. Stew |
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I doubt you guys realize this, but you are cross posting on a newsgroup that has absolutely no interest in your topic. Please delete alt.sys.pc-clone.packardbell from your messages. Thank you. bobwatts "Kevin Childers" wrote in message news Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff, simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on the current state of VISTA? |
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Absolutely correct.... -- Regards, Hank Arnold Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Directory Services Barry Watzman wrote: It's worth noting that while Hank's comments are entirely correct, they do not reflect on Vista but rather on the nature of ANY new operating system. XP was the same way. Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote: Kevin Childers wrote: Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff, simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on the current state of VISTA? It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the business offerings have XP as well as Vista. Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy hardware and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a corporate environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that the manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY* expensive *VERY* fast... I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical applications that the vendors will not support on Vista. Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared to the consumer market.... |
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Barry Watzman wrote:
Corporate IT departments are not installing Vista at this time (which is typical of ANY new operating system that has been out less than about a year). The CORPORATE sales organizations of ALL of the OEMs (Dell, HP, Gateway, even Toshiba) still offer XP. You won't find it at retail, however, with the possible sole exception of CompUSA. Not surprising, and common to a lot of small companies, particularly those that work under contract to/with larger corporations and/or the US Gummint (see Joan F (MI)'s post above, our sponsors at Naval Sea Systems Command didn't standardize on Windows and MS Word/Excel/etc, until 1998). My personal, and therefore my company's "corporate" stance since I was what passed for their "IT" department, was that I'd never buy a M$ program until after at least the first Service Pack/*.1 or *.2 version. Never bought Win 3.1 at all. Semi-retired now, my decision on Vista lies in the joint hands of God and M$. If God calls me back before M$ discontinues all continuing support of XP, I'll never do Vista. If M$ beats God to the punch, I'll consider Vista, under duress. [My old, now retired boss operates three computers - one my old L733 which I put XP on (yes, marginal at 733 MHz, but with a memory UG it met my/meets his limited needs), and two of our company's old Win98 machines - which run a lot of his favorite software that won't run under XP. He hates XP, but uses it for new software that won't run under Win 98.] -- OJ III |
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Tiger Direct offers some laptops with XP.
Barry Watzman wrote: | Corporate IT departments are not installing Vista at this time (which | is typical of ANY new operating system that has been out less than | about a year). The CORPORATE sales organizations of ALL of the OEMs | (Dell, HP, Gateway, even Toshiba) still offer XP. You won't find it | at retail, however, with the possible sole exception of CompUSA. | |
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Only because they are OLD and/or (probably and) refurbished laptops.
Joan F (MI) wrote: Tiger Direct offers some laptops with XP. Barry Watzman wrote: | Corporate IT departments are not installing Vista at this time (which | is typical of ANY new operating system that has been out less than | about a year). The CORPORATE sales organizations of ALL of the OEMs | (Dell, HP, Gateway, even Toshiba) still offer XP. You won't find it | at retail, however, with the possible sole exception of CompUSA. | |
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"Barry Watzman" wrote in message ... "2000 is still more reliable than XP, of course" I would take issue with that. So would lots of other people. XP is the best OS MS has ever released. snip I completely agree. |
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...MP=ILC-FPM-NBK Barry Watzman wrote: | Only because they are OLD and/or (probably and) refurbished laptops. | | Joan F (MI) wrote: || Tiger Direct offers some laptops with XP. || |
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Hank Arnold (MVP) wrote:
Kevin Childers wrote: Spoke to one of HPs Road Warriors today. Helped him get set-up for some sales event on the road and what not. He (an reportedly his coworkers) are really happy with their brand new HP laptops. No surprise there, given every sales guy loves a new toy, but the when I asked about the OS, it wasn't VISTA. He said all of their new laptops are using XP. Sort of makes you wonder. Is it a commentary on the learning curve for the sales staff, simplicity and compatibility for the IT staff, or a negative commentary on the current state of VISTA? It's a reflection of the fact that most corporate networks are very reluctant to migrate to Vista at this time. We just got 10 D520's and they have XP. You can see on the Dell web site that many/most of the business offerings have XP as well as Vista. Like it or not, new OS's will always have problems with legacy hardware and software. For consumers, this can be manageable In a corporate environment, it's no small thing to have to upgrade even one application. In many cases, it's just not possible. What is an acceptable cost to a consumer is not to a corporation. Try multiplying that $40 upgrade cost by 100 or 1,000 or even 10,000.... Add to that the manpower/hardware costs to do the upgrades and it becomes *VERY* expensive *VERY* fast... I support a small Hospice in upstate NY. We have two critical applications that the vendors will not support on Vista. Bottom line is that corporate acceptance of Vista is glacial compared to the consumer market.... Always the way - companies incur an enormous expense upgrading to a new OS. While on the topic, does anyone have any stats/SWAGs as to how many companies have not upgraded to XP? I'll bet it's not a small percentage. When I retired from a NYC money center bank in 2002, they had just upgraded workstations PCs from NT3.5 to NT 4.0, if that give you an idea. |
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