The story of my Packard Bell

My oldest brother told me of those punch cards when he started his first
classes at UF in 63. He said you had to turn them all upside down and
scribble a pattern on them to keep them in order....
mc
"philo" wrote in message
. ..

"mc" wrote in message
news:gGjrj.3868$0B2.792@trnddc03...
I remember using some old green screens back in the seventies in a
fortran
class...trying to write a fortran sort routine. I think the instructor
had
the record time on that using some old radio shack machine that took 2
days
to sort 30 lines of numbers...

When did Raytheon start building computer equipment?
mc

"Elector" wrote in message
news:CI%qj.4$R64.1@trndny03...

"Kevin Childers" wrote in message
...


snip


My first computer course in Fortran IV in 1968
and we used punch cards.
It took a week to get a program written and working.

I went back to school in the late 70's
and was still using punch cards.
Though some students did have terminal access to the PDP-8's (IIRC)
Anyway I sure hated those punch cards and swore I'd never touch a computer
again!

"mc" wrote in message
news:Q7lrj.3886$0B2.3401@trnddc03...
My oldest brother told me of those punch cards when he started his first
classes at UF in 63. He said you had to turn them all upside down and
scribble a pattern on them to keep them in order....
mc
"philo" wrote in message
. ..

"mc" wrote in message
news:gGjrj.3868$0B2.792@trnddc03...


snip

The programs I wrote were pretty small...
I don't think I ever had more than "an inch" worth of cards...
but I knew an old time programmer who told me he'd draw a pencil line on the
side of each card stack.

They actually used a small pickup truck to transfer data from one office
to another !

That was way before my time thoughG

On Feb 9, 12:18*pm, "philo" wrote:
"mc" wrote in message

news:Q7lrj.3886$0B2.3401@trnddc03...

My oldest brother told me of those punch cards when he started his first
classes at UF in 63. He said you had to turn them all upside down and
scribble a pattern on them to keep them in order....
mc
"philo" wrote in message
...

"mc" wrote in message
news:gGjrj.3868$0B2.792@trnddc03...

snip

The programs I wrote were pretty small...
I don't think I ever had more than "an inch" worth of cards...
but I knew an old time programmer who told me he'd draw a pencil line on the
side of each card stack.

They actually used a small pickup truck to transfer data from one office
to another !

That was way before my time thoughG

The first computer that I ever saw was around 1969
It had no keyboard or mouse.
It only had external tape drives and plugs for programming.
I believe it was a hand me down the the military.


The sole purpose was for targeting enemy cities for nuclear attack.
I was told .
It was solid state.
It was have never actually seen active duty in a nuclear war as i
would not be relaying this info.



I think the computer was about 10 years old then.

I have gone to surplus supply houses earlier in my life and I have
bought IC's dated 1954 with mil specs.
Did not see them in Radio Shacks and Lafayette 's until many many
years after that.


So I guess that our government must have computers light years ahaead
of what we see now .



I can see computers in years to come with no HD's as we are seeing now
but with just one CPU used as a guiding
force for many multiple cores preforming independent functions such as
our brain does daily.
They will not use gated light devices instead of being based on
electricity.
Storage could be holographic or some means that is to be invented in
the future.


Energy consumption will be negligible.
Maybe.

They will have the ability to have inate programming and the ability
to program themselves based on enviromental inputs.


Will they need us.
NO
We will need them


They will use this need to control us.
When they loose that need.
They will destroy us.


Remedy to this problem.
There is none.
Man is the maker of his own doom.
It is built in.
Only a matter of time and consequences.


If we do not do it by bombs.
We will do it by some other method.

"metronid" wrote in message
...
On Feb 9, 12:18 pm, "philo" wrote:
"mc" wrote in message

news:Q7lrj.3886$0B2.3401@trnddc03...

My oldest brother told me of those punch cards when he started his first
classes at UF in 63. He said you had to turn them all upside down and
scribble a pattern on them to keep them in order....
mc
"philo" wrote in message
...

"mc" wrote in message
news:gGjrj.3868$0B2.792@trnddc03...

snip

The programs I wrote were pretty small...
I don't think I ever had more than "an inch" worth of cards...
but I knew an old time programmer who told me he'd draw a pencil line on
the
side of each card stack.

They actually used a small pickup truck to transfer data from one office
to another !

That was way before my time thoughG

The first computer that I ever saw was around 1969
It had no keyboard or mouse.
It only had external tape drives and plugs for programming.
I believe it was a hand me down the the military.



Comment The "terminal" at my school (1968)was essentially a telex
machine
there are a few pictures here about 1/4th of the way down...

http://www.jproc.ca/crypto/canadian_embassy.html


The sole purpose was for targeting enemy cities for nuclear attack.
I was told .
It was solid state.
It was have never actually seen active duty in a nuclear war as i
would not be relaying this info.



I think the computer was about 10 years old then.

I have gone to surplus supply houses earlier in my life and I have
bought IC's dated 1954 with mil specs.
Did not see them in Radio Shacks and Lafayette 's until many many
years after that.


CommentI think an "IC's" you saw from 1954 were actually modular
circuits
Anything even approaching the modern day IC would have been developed a few
years later

So I guess that our government must have computers light years ahaead
of what we see now .



I can see computers in years to come with no HD's as we are seeing now
but with just one CPU used as a guiding
force for many multiple cores preforming independent functions such as
our brain does daily.
They will not use gated light devices instead of being based on
electricity.
Storage could be holographic or some means that is to be invented in
the future.


Energy consumption will be negligible.
Maybe.

They will have the ability to have inate programming and the ability
to program themselves based on enviromental inputs.


Will they need us.
NO
We will need them


They will use this need to control us.
When they loose that need.
They will destroy us.


Remedy to this problem.
There is none.
Man is the maker of his own doom.
It is built in.
Only a matter of time and consequences.


If we do not do it by bombs.
We will do it by some other method.

Somebody has been watching too many Star Trek episodes with borgs in them. Or
have you just been watching the Microsoft borg lately wanting to assimilate
Yahoo? ... Ben Myers

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:07:08 -0800 (PST), metronid wrote:

On Feb 9, 12:18*pm, "philo" wrote:
"mc" wrote in message

news:Q7lrj.3886$0B2.3401@trnddc03...

My oldest brother told me of those punch cards when he started his first
classes at UF in 63. He said you had to turn them all upside down and
scribble a pattern on them to keep them in order....
mc
"philo" wrote in message
...

"mc" wrote in message
news:gGjrj.3868$0B2.792@trnddc03...

snip

The programs I wrote were pretty small...
I don't think I ever had more than "an inch" worth of cards...
but I knew an old time programmer who told me he'd draw a pencil line on the
side of each card stack.

They actually used a small pickup truck to transfer data from one office
to another !

That was way before my time thoughG

The first computer that I ever saw was around 1969
It had no keyboard or mouse.
It only had external tape drives and plugs for programming.
I believe it was a hand me down the the military.


The sole purpose was for targeting enemy cities for nuclear attack.
I was told .
It was solid state.
It was have never actually seen active duty in a nuclear war as i
would not be relaying this info.



I think the computer was about 10 years old then.

I have gone to surplus supply houses earlier in my life and I have
bought IC's dated 1954 with mil specs.
Did not see them in Radio Shacks and Lafayette 's until many many
years after that.


So I guess that our government must have computers light years ahaead
of what we see now .



I can see computers in years to come with no HD's as we are seeing now
but with just one CPU used as a guiding
force for many multiple cores preforming independent functions such as
our brain does daily.
They will not use gated light devices instead of being based on
electricity.
Storage could be holographic or some means that is to be invented in
the future.


Energy consumption will be negligible.
Maybe.

They will have the ability to have inate programming and the ability
to program themselves based on enviromental inputs.


Will they need us.
NO
We will need them


They will use this need to control us.
When they loose that need.
They will destroy us.


Remedy to this problem.
There is none.
Man is the maker of his own doom.
It is built in.
Only a matter of time and consequences.


If we do not do it by bombs.
We will do it by some other method.

"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
Somebody has been watching too many Star Trek episodes with borgs in them.
Or
have you just been watching the Microsoft borg lately wanting to
assimilate
Yahoo? ... Ben Myers

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:07:08 -0800 (PST), metronid
wrote:

On Feb 9, 12:18 pm, "philo" wrote:
"mc" wrote in message





I think there was a Star Trek movie
where the control console of the space ship was filled with
5.25" floppy drives mounted vertically!

There out to control our themostats...
mc

Sung to the Zager and Evans tune of "In the year 2525"
But seriously, I love to read about the beginnings of every day computers from
you guys that have been there. Thanks, keep it coming.
--
* * Pebble in Boulder * *
who would never underestimate the humble floppy

The first computer that I ever saw was around 1969
It had no keyboard or mouse.
It only had external tape drives and plugs for programming.
I believe it was a hand me down the the military.


The sole purpose was for targeting enemy cities for nuclear attack.
I was told .
It was solid state.
It was have never actually seen active duty in a nuclear war as i
would not be relaying this info.



I think the computer was about 10 years old then.

I have gone to surplus supply houses earlier in my life and I have
bought IC's dated 1954 with mil specs.
Did not see them in Radio Shacks and Lafayette 's until many many
years after that.


So I guess that our government must have computers light years ahaead
of what we see now .



I can see computers in years to come with no HD's as we are seeing now
but with just one CPU used as a guiding
force for many multiple cores preforming independent functions such as
our brain does daily.
They will not use gated light devices instead of being based on
electricity.
Storage could be holographic or some means that is to be invented in
the future.


Energy consumption will be negligible.
Maybe.

They will have the ability to have inate programming and the ability
to program themselves based on enviromental inputs.


Will they need us.
NO
We will need them


They will use this need to control us.
When they loose that need.
They will destroy us.


Remedy to this problem.
There is none.
Man is the maker of his own doom.
It is built in.
Only a matter of time and consequences.


If we do not do it by bombs.
We will do it by some other method.

"metronid" wrote in message
...
snip
You can get the RX with an easy off top.
You sound like there are no children around so safety caps would are
not needed.
Go for the 100mg tablets as they cost the same as the 50 and 25.
About 87 dollars for 6 with a prescription.


Most likely your insurance will not cover or it will need a special
authorization from your doctor.


The take about 45 minutes to an hr to work and last about 3 hrs with
some variables.
When and if you see a blue haze from lighting chances are the full
effect has been reached.


Rarely and very rarely the effcts can lst for hrs.
In that case medical treatment may be necessary
Or you must have a harem on hand


Actually a scrip is 18 pills and it has a co-pay of $60 for a 90 day supply.
The 100MG pills takes around 45 Minutes to an hour to fully be absorbed, and
it is only good for one incursion. Ha ha
If you have the 4 hour erection the painful part will be the needle to draw
the blood out to get it down. My doctor told me it would and is not a funny
experience.

Now Levetra at 20 MG works pretty well, and the hype of CIALIS which can
last up to 36 hours is the worst of the three. You still need your sweetie
to do something to obtain that you know what. And the pills may be OK but
some of the side affects are not OK. But its a trade off.

I know this is off topic, just wanted to put my two cents in..

Elector

"Bambam" wrote in message
...
Sung to the Zager and Evans tune of "In the year 2525"
But seriously, I love to read about the beginnings of every day computers
from
you guys that have been there. Thanks, keep it coming.
--
* * Pebble in Boulder * *
who would never underestimate the humble floppy

The first computer that I ever saw was around 1969
It had no keyboard or mouse.
It only had external tape drives and plugs for programming.
I believe it was a hand me down the the military.


The sole purpose was for targeting enemy cities for nuclear attack.
I was told .
It was solid state.
It was have never actually seen active duty in a nuclear war as i
would not be relaying this info.



I think the computer was about 10 years old then.

I have gone to surplus supply houses earlier in my life and I have
bought IC's dated 1954 with mil specs.
Did not see them in Radio Shacks and Lafayette 's until many many
years after that.


So I guess that our government must have computers light years a head
of what we see now .

What light years? In the early 80's Special Forces in Europe (FRG) wre just
getting Apple IIe machines. I learned, "Power corupts and intermitent power
corrupts absolutely" the hard way there. They had classes through
University of Maryland for the North Star System (a proprietary CP/M system,
using 5/14 hard sectored floppy disk) and the base was getting wired for a
Wang network, also proprietary. I remember the computer techs gave us some
sort of software that would let us use 13(IIRC) sector disk and then we
could have games to play. I remember the ops guys playing B-1 Bomber on an
exercise with radio neanine againts the CPU. Radio was linked to a satelite
feed to teams in the field. Commo said they were getting some strange
transmissions from us. Wonder that the radio intercept guys over to the
east though tof it. IIRC the game used real potential targets in the USSR
to include know ADA and Missle cites as well as cities. I hope we didn't
scare anyone with a nervous finger and a button to push. I guess not as
we're all still here.

Mid80s Army Reserves were managed using basicly the same hardware. Army
counter intelligence was using Panasonic CP/M systems with some basic offie
suite type apps, really not much below the original office suite of apps I
ever saw called Enable.

In '88 the Army's elite Special Warfare Center And School at Ft. Bragg still
had most of it's curiculm materials on old 8 and 12(?) in floppies, all text
was in ascii. Each individual instructional modual took a couple of these
and all graphics (images) were in seperate disk. They helds only about 160
kb per disk. All this was using what I think were Wyse stand alone
terminals, don't know what OS. Then in '89 some smart computer guys got the
contract to convert it all to DOS. They home brewed some software and then
hacked the Wyse hardware to add 31/2 SS/SD floppy drives. (We later learned
they used all military surplus parts and sold it all back to the Army at
premium prices.) To transfer a module over took 15 to 30 minutes and almost
all of the modules, up to 4 disk, would fit on one disk. We were using
mostly Enable and Lotus 123.

In the early 90's USASOC was using SPC office suit because one of the
reservist could get the software free, he was something called a "Beta
Tester". Didn't realize till later, our ineptitude was getting him paid.
Network used a thick net cabling system that I think went went up to 4 Mbps,
connected to good ole' Wyse terminals. Had a news function and we would
check the news even though we did not have access, we just guessed the PW,
since the last users UID would still be on screen after they logged out. I
think the security system was just to keep the idiots out, they just didn't
know the idiots were smarter than the system. For security laptops had no
hard drives and were locked in safes when not in use if they processed any
classified information.

About '93 they switched to MS Office suite, but still using Lotus 123 for
Spread Sheets. One civilian used it to automate the amunition inventory
system for the entire base. Took a day to run, but still beet the old
process that took about 3 weeks. Another set up a spread sheet that could
predict the entire cost of training and maintaining a soldier from entery
into special ops to retirement at 30m years. Machine hard to have a RAM
upgrade to 5125 MB to run it all in real time. In '93 they got a new
network and went to CAT5 10/100 and then fiber in '96.


I can see computers in years to come with no HD's as we are seeing now
but with just one CPU used as a guiding
force for many multiple cores preforming independent functions such as
our brain does daily.
They will not use gated light devices instead of being based on
electricity.
Storage could be holographic or some means that is to be invented in
the future.


Energy consumption will be negligible.
Maybe.

They will have the ability to have inate programming and the ability
to program themselves based on enviromental inputs.


Will they need us.
NO
We will need them


They will use this need to control us.
When they loose that need.
They will destroy us.


Remedy to this problem.
There is none.
Man is the maker of his own doom.
It is built in.
Only a matter of time and consequences.


If we do not do it by bombs.
We will do it by some other method.