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Dell PC Restore, Unsupported Change Master Boot Record
we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so
my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im screwed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) |
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"AEsco48" wrote: we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im screwed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) Instead of cloning the restore partition, why not clone the actual system partition instead? FWIW, I always find restore partitions difficult to work with because they use proprietary techniques to access them, so I blow it away and create my own restore CD by imaging the system partition first thing out of the box. |
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"dg1261" wrote in message ... "AEsco48" wrote: we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im screwed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) Instead of cloning the restore partition, why not clone the actual system partition instead? FWIW, I always find restore partitions difficult to work with because they use proprietary techniques to access them, so I blow it away and create my own restore CD by imaging the system partition first thing out of the box. To the OP; did you remove the 40mb "utility partition" when the drive was (accidentally) wiped? Press CTL+F11 at the dell splash and see if everything was blown away. The utility partition and the factory image might still be intact.... Stew |
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Welcome to how we learn. Copy the backup disk to the disk
that was recently restored with Windows - or even copy that backup disk to a third blank hard disk. IOW first try to make backups in numerous ways. Next use programs fixmbr and fixboot to try to install master boot software on that backup disk. The MBR is unique for each disk. MBR installation programs install with unique numbers for that particular disk drive. The fixmbr and fixboot programs are installing customize boot software on the disk much like the SYS program in DOS made disks uniquely bootable. This is but a sliver of what you need understand or what may be required to (if it is possible) recover those programs. I wish you luck. If the Registry from the original disk was not copied to the backup disk, well, you have problem. Demonstrated is why one does not try to fix things until first learning what the problem are. One must collect and record all significant data and symptoms before trying to fix anything. This concept is not well understood among PC users who love to wildly speculate and then fix things - sometimes only complicating what was a simple solution. Ahhh... but we all have to learn by example. Best I can do is point you in a direction based upon symptoms posted. You did not even identify what (or why) the original disk was "messed up". That too may have been essential information. More often a 'messed up' disk is easily fixed up front if first taking a long time to collect data and relevant symptoms. The alternative is called shotgunning - how scam auto mechanics also fix cars. AEsco48 wrote: we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im screwed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) |
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Jerry Dubukewrote:
my opinion would be to get a copy of Symantec GHOST..then ghost the "good" machine, and clone it to the second machine. If the 2 machines were purchased at the same time, you should have no problems other than renaming the second machine once it boots back up, since you cannot have 2 computers on a network with the same name. Jerry "AEsco48" wrote in message ... we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im scr**ed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) [/quote:c9cc7aaf57] thats exactly what i did, idea was to clone the good computer and then do a CTR F11...but i got the " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" and it wont let me do the CTR F11 |
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dg1261wrote:
"AEsco48" wrote: we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im scr**ed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) Instead of cloning the restore partition, why not clone the actual system partition instead? FWIW, I always find restore partitions difficult to work with because they use proprietary techniques to access them, so I blow it away and create my own restore CD by imaging the system partition first thing out of the box.[/quote:036bffa989] i used GHOST to copy the whole harddrive to the blank HD |
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S.Lewiswrote:
"dg1261" wrote in message ... "AEsco48" wrote: we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im scr**ed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago) Instead of cloning the restore partition, why not clone the actual system partition instead? FWIW, I always find restore partitions difficult to work with because they use proprietary techniques to access them, so I blow it away and create my own restore CD by imaging the system partition first thing out of the box. To the OP; did you remove the 40mb "utility partition" when the drive was (accidentally) wiped? Press CTL+F11 at the dell splash and see if everything was blown away. The utility partition and the factory image might still be intact.... Stew[/quote:013e4abbd5] yes it was, the CTRL F11 option was not availible...thats why i tried cloning the 2nd computers HD...so i could restore the bad computer with the 2nd computer clone HD |
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w_tomwrote:
Welcome to how we learn. Copy the backup disk to the disk that was recently restored with Windows - or even copy that backup disk to a third blank hard disk. IOW first try to make backups in numerous ways. Next use programs fixmbr and fixboot to try to install master boot software on that backup disk. The MBR is unique for each disk. MBR installation programs install with unique numbers for that particular disk drive. The fixmbr and fixboot programs are installing customize boot software on the disk much like the SYS program in DOS made disks uniquely bootable. This is but a sliver of what you need understand or what may be required to (if it is possible) recover those programs. I wish you luck. If the Registry from the original disk was not copied to the backup disk, well, you have problem. Demonstrated is why one does not try to fix things until first learning what the problem are. One must collect and record all significant data and symptoms before trying to fix anything. This concept is not well understood among PC users who love to wildly speculate and then fix things - sometimes only complicating what was a simple solution. Ahhh... but we all have to learn by example. Best I can do is point you in a direction based upon symptoms posted. You did not even identify what (or why) the original disk was "messed up". That too may have been essential information. More often a 'messed up' disk is easily fixed up front if first taking a long time to collect data and relevant symptoms. The alternative is called shotgunning - how scam auto mechanics also fix cars. AEsco48 wrote: we bought two dell dim 3000's recently...one of them got messed up so my father backed everything up and put in the wind XP CD thinking it was a recovery CD, it deleted everything and installed just win XP...but now he does not have the other programs the computer brought....dell support said im scr**ed b\c we deleted everything...and they cant give me the other software, just whats on the other CD.....so i cloned the 2nd identical computer and tried to do the Dell PC Restore but it said " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" how can i fix this, just want to get the computer like if it was new out of the box (less then 2 weeks ago)[/quote:ee31f3d91b] The new clone HD works fine, windows loads up everything works minus when i try the CTRL F11...i get the " Unsupported Change in your Master boot record" i will try the Fixboot and Fixmbr and let you know.... here is the story on the "messed up"...the computer was working fine expet it would not let me update a tax file in Quickbooks pro...and the computer was brand new, had very little data that needed to be backed up so i figured if i could just do a recovery on the whole computer and have it just like it came out of the box i would be 100% sure it would solve my problem... |
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Jerry Dubukewrote:
when you ghosted the original drive - did you ghost DRIVE or PARTITION? I have had errors when ghosting the DRIVE with that funky partition. I end up doing 2 ghosts - one for each partition, then restoring each to their correct locations in the second drive. Just my .02 Jerry can you elaborate on what you mean by "then restoring each to their correct locations in the second drive." so at this moment the Ctrl F11 works on your second "ghoste'd" drive? |
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