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I have ASUS A7VBX ATX and Via EPIA-933AFIC Mini-ITX motherboards, and
need to get I/O panels and cables so I can put these two systems together. Specifically, I am having a difficult time finding an In/Out back panel for the ITX motherboard: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...oardShield.jpg So it looks as though I'll be forced to order it from China: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200579423871 Since I'll also need SATA (power and data) cables and other things(PCI cards, and jumpers) for the ASUS ATX. motherboard and I've read that some cables are garbage I wanted to ask if there was a way to determine cable quality *before* I place an international order. Is there anything I should look for? A particular cable brand? Should I just stay away from all the Chinese parts except for the needed Mini-ITX back panel? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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Searcher7 Searcher7 mail.con2.com wrote:
Should I just stay away from all the Chinese parts Yes, you should. Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Unfortunately, two major forces in democratic countries are ruining democracy. Big business loves Communist Chinese slave labor in order to increase profits. Women love Communist Chinese slave labor because it means lower prices. That is what has ruined manufacturing and infrastructure. All the talk about restoring manufacturing and infrastructure is just talk, at least until they can figure out how to give manufacturing and infrastructure jobs to women and enrich the rich by doing so. Trade based on natural resources and climate is a good thing. Trade based on Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Some people think they are being charitable by buying Communist Chinese slave labor made products. They claim to be helping feed the Chinese. But in fact, they are just trying to justify taking advantage of Communist Chinese slave labor, putting their fellow countrymen out of work, so they can save a few pennies at the store. Greed is not good. Greed is digging us into a ********. Instead, Democratic leaders should come together and shun Communist Chinese slave labor. Communist China is nothing without our markets. We have proved that before, before libertarian "Greed is good, jobs Americans won't do, I couldn't care less about anything except money" leadership took over. If you don't want to end up like the Communist Chinese, avoid buying Communist Chinese slave labor products whenever possible. -- except for the needed Mini-ITX back panel? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. Path: news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com! npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!postnews.google.com!1g2000vbx.googlegrou ps.com!not-for-mail From: Searcher7 Searcher7 mail.con2.com Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Subject: PC Parts from China Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: 1d309fe7-0cc1-4adc-b84d-e594d03db72b 1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.27.101.119 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1320008016 20016 127.0.0.1 (30 Oct 2011 20:53:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse google.com Injection-Info: 1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com; posting-host=108.27.101.119; posting-account=IZGRXgkAAABMSo2H1nHjAwWbNwQfqB-u User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-Header-Order: HUALESNKRC X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1,gzip(gfe) |
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John Doe wrote:
Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. My new Asrock motherboard was only designed in Taipei and made in China. I was bummed when I saw that. I went to Ace Hardware to get a ball valve for a toilet water supply. I could not find one that wasn't made in China. Now, it seems, they have cornered the Rare Earth metals market. http://www.dailytech.com/China+Cuts+...ticle23069.htm |
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"Fishface" fishface invalid.invalid wrote:
John Doe wrote: Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. My new Asrock motherboard was only designed in Taipei and made in China. I was bummed when I saw that. I went to Ace Hardware to get a ball valve for a toilet water supply. I could not find one that wasn't made in China. Yup. But I will keep educating myself on the issue, like that, and keep trying. Never surrender, even if your leaders do. -- Now, it seems, they have cornered the Rare Earth metals market. http://www.dailytech.com/China+Cuts+...etal+Supply/ar ticle23069.htm |
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Saving money because something is made with Communist Chinese
slave labor is a bad thing. Avoiding an unnecessary purchase because the thing you are looking at is made with Communist Chinese slave labor is a good idea |
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"John Doe" wrote in message
eb.com... Searcher7 Searcher7 mail.con2.com wrote: Should I just stay away from all the Chinese parts Yes, you should. Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Huh? Are you referring to China's Laogai population? That would make some of your statements slightly more intelligible, else I can't make sense out of anything you wrote. Tony. |
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Searcher7 wrote:
I have ASUS A7VBX ATX and Via EPIA-933AFIC Mini-ITX motherboards, and need to get I/O panels and cables so I can put these two systems together. Specifically, I am having a difficult time finding an In/Out back panel for the ITX motherboard: http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...oardShield.jpg So it looks as though I'll be forced to order it from China: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200579423871 Since I'll also need SATA (power and data) cables and other things(PCI cards, and jumpers) for the ASUS ATX. motherboard and I've read that some cables are garbage I wanted to ask if there was a way to determine cable quality *before* I place an international order. Is there anything I should look for? A particular cable brand? Should I just stay away from all the Chinese parts except for the needed Mini-ITX back panel? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. When you buy a retail motherboard, like the mini-ITX, a backplate is bundled in the kit. This is an example of accessories sold with a mini-ITX. The backplate is included. http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5848/backplate.gif When an Ebay seller, sells a used retail motherboard, they should pop out the I/O plate and put it in the box with the motherboard. There is no point "hoarding" I/O plates, since each one has custom dimensions and odds are, won't fit any other motherboard. It should be shipped with the motherboard. A seller should ask the buyer whether it is included, before buying. That avoids this issue completely. It is unlikely you'll be able to find an exact replacement, without it being traceable to its source. If all motherboards are made in a certain part of the world, then that's where the parts will come from. ******* For SATA cables, I've never heard any complaints from people, about the quality of the wire. But the moulding around the connector, can vary in quality. If the dimensions are not tightly controlled, a connector can have a too-high insertion force. I would say in general though, you don't have anything to worry about. Occasionally, I see people making references to "SATA III" cables. The design intent has always been, to be able to use the same cables regardless of rate. Whether purchasing a SATA III cable for a SATA III application is an absolute necessity, I have no evidence one way or another. Presumably if an attempt to run at SATA III rates, resulted in a high error rate, the negotiation process would just run at a lower rate. My answer to your question would be: 1) Don't bother installing the backing plate. Forget about it. Or email the seller, and get it from them. There is no point in them hoarding it, as they're only going to have to pull the plate, before installing the next motherboard. The backplate does two things. May help control EMI (radio emissions), but the computer case leaks like a sieve anyway, so that is hardly an advantage. It also helps direct ESD or electrostatic discharge. Without the I/O plate, the rear connectors are as exposed to static discharge, as the front ports on the computer case. Not a big deal. Discharge yourself to the chassis, before connecting a cable. 2) Buy SATA cables domestically. If you buy from a source, where there are customer reviews, you can gain the benefit of the actual users feedback about the product. Both a foreign and a domestic seller, will want a "middleman profit", and by buying domestically, a domestic seller will benefit from your purchase. The foreigner will get the "bulk price" for the material, with a somewhat lower profit margin. And the courier service, reaps the profit from all transactions. HTH, Paul |
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"Fierce Guppy" fierce.guppy handslap.com.au wrote:
"John Doe" jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote Searcher7 Searcher7 mail.con2.com wrote: Should I just stay away from all the Chinese parts Yes, you should. Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Unfortunately, two major forces in democratic countries are ruining democracy. Big business loves Communist Chinese slave labor in order to increase profits. Women love Communist Chinese slave labor because it means lower prices. That is what has ruined manufacturing and infrastructure. All the talk about restoring manufacturing and infrastructure is just talk, at least until they can figure out how to give manufacturing and infrastructure jobs to women and enrich the rich by doing so. Trade based on natural resources and climate is a good thing. Trade based on Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Some people think they are being charitable by buying Communist Chinese slave labor made products. They claim to be helping feed the Chinese. But in fact, they are just trying to justify taking advantage of Communist Chinese slave labor, putting their fellow countrymen out of work, so they can save a few pennies at the store. Greed is not good. Greed is digging us into a ********. Instead, Democratic leaders should come together and shun Communist Chinese slave labor. Communist China is nothing without our markets. We have proved that before, before libertarian "Greed is good, jobs Americans won't do, I couldn't care less about anything except money" leadership took over. If you don't want to end up like the Communist Chinese, avoid buying Communist Chinese slave labor products whenever possible. Huh? Reading comprehension problem? Are you referring to China's Laogai population? I'm referring to Communist Chinese slave labor. The same that was recently documented in a PBS special program. Do you know what "communism" is? Communist China is a Communist country where they have no freedom of religion or freedom of speech. It is a place full of Communist Chinese slave laborers that you will never even chat with on the Internet. Anybody in Communist China who attempts to form a labor union is sent to a "reeducation" labor camp. Those Communist Chinese slave laborers live in more cramped conditions than on one of our Navy ships, and less sanitary. They are paid barely enough to buy their own food. Think about that when you go to the store and insist on saving a few pennies while putting your fellow countrymen out of a job. That would make some of your statements The statements you removed. slightly more intelligible, else I can't make sense out of anything you wrote. That's because you are a selfish greedy *******. You're encouraging Communist Chinese slave labor while putting your fellow countrymen out of work, just so that you can save a few pennies when you go to the store. The love of money is the root of all evil. -- Tony. Australia? Path: news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com! news.glorb.com!feeder.erje.net!feeder.news-service.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fierce Guppy" fierce.guppy handslap.com.au Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,free.UseNet Subject: PC Parts from China Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:42:58 +1300 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 15 Message-ID: j8lqik$khp$1 speranza.aioe.org References: 1d309fe7-0cc1-4adc-b84d-e594d03db72b 1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com 4eadbd2b$0$23533$c3e8da3$f017e9df news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: +r4/eAvVo/eudwU1OxPxHg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse aioe.org X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal |
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"John Doe" wrote in message
b.com... "Fierce Guppy" fierce.guppy handslap.com.au wrote: [...] Huh? Reading comprehension problem? Your little soapbox rant is an unstructured mash-up of unproven assertions without any underlying explanations, i.e., gibberish. Someone who has seen this PBS "special program" maybe can make sense out of what you wrote, but there's no PBS in my country and less then 1% or the Worlds populations will have seen it or will ever see it. Tony. |
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"Fierce Guppy" fierce.guppy handslap.com.au wrote:
"John Doe" jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote "Fierce Guppy" fierce.guppy handslap.com.au wrote: "John Doe" jdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote Yes, you should. Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Unfortunately, two major forces in democratic countries are ruining democracy. Big business loves Communist Chinese slave labor in order to increase profits. Women love Communist Chinese slave labor because it means lower prices. That is what has ruined manufacturing and infrastructure. All the talk about restoring manufacturing and infrastructure is just talk, at least until they can figure out how to give manufacturing and infrastructure jobs to women and enrich the rich by doing so. Trade based on natural resources and climate is a good thing. Trade based on Communist Chinese slave labor is a bad thing. Some people think they are being charitable by buying Communist Chinese slave labor made products. They claim to be helping feed the Chinese. But in fact, they are just trying to justify taking advantage of Communist Chinese slave labor, putting their fellow countrymen out of work, so they can save a few pennies at the store. Greed is not good. Greed is digging us into a ********. Instead, Democratic leaders should come together and shun Communist Chinese slave labor. Communist China is nothing without our markets. We have proved that before, before libertarian "Greed is good, jobs Americans won't do, I couldn't care less about anything except money" leadership took over. If you don't want to end up like the Communist Chinese, avoid buying Communist Chinese slave labor products whenever possible. Huh? Reading comprehension problem? Your little soapbox rant is an unstructured mash-up of unproven assertions without any underlying explanations, i.e., gibberish. Says a troll who can only hurl obscure insults, who is not even brave enough to make assertions about the subject (let alone explanations). You want deeper explanations, ask. You want to run and hide, hasta la vista baby. You want to insult me, **** you asshole. Someone who has seen this PBS "special program" maybe can make sense out of what you wrote, but there's no PBS in my country and less then 1% or the Worlds populations will have seen it or will ever see it. Then try common sense. But first you must remove the "greed is good" blinders. Besides, our intellectual property is like broken off fire hydrant. Anybody who is half proficient at using the Internet can see anything we see (unless they live in Communist China). -- Tony. Path: news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com! news.glorb.com!feeder.erje.net!feeder.news-service.com! aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fierce Guppy" fierce.guppy handslap.com.au Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,free.UseNet Subject: PC Parts from China Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:40:00 +1300 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 18 Message-ID: j8mmh1$vo9$1 speranza.aioe.org References: 1d309fe7-0cc1-4adc-b84d-e594d03db72b 1g2000vbx.googlegroups.com 4eadbd2b$0$23533$c3e8da3$f017e9df news.astraweb.com j8lqik$khp$1 speranza.aioe.org 4eaed1a8$0$5466 $c3e8da3$eb767761 news.astraweb.com NNTP-Posting-Host: +r4/eAvVo/eudwU1OxPxHg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse aioe.org X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal |
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