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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuiltpc
On 2/28/2016 4:56 PM, John B. Smith wrote:
I built my first (and only) pc in 2008: MB ABIT|IP35 Pro XE P35 R Cpu CPU INTEL|C2D E8400 3G 775 45N R First memory MEM 2Gx2|CORS TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF R I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. But now quite a few things have become inconvenient with having an obsolete OS. The latest was the news that Chrome (which I run on top of XP, will no longer be able to get updates if it runs on XP. I don't know how much of a problem that will be but I need Chrome. I wonder, could I just buy a Windows 7 or perhaps Windows 10 CD and expect it to install on this machine? I recall a number of files from Abit came with the motherboard. Did I have to have these installed for my WindowsXP to install/work? (and I guess you know, Abit no longer makes motherboards) Then there was the problem I encountered when I tried to install XP on a notebook I'd purchased with Vista installed. Turned out it couldn't be done, I had to live with Vista. These doubts make me very wary of simply buying a new Windows and trying to install it, thought I'd better put the question to the experts (you guys) I'm in the same situation as you except I use Firefox which still supports XP. ASUS A8N5X, Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 3800+, 2x1G RAM and NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX (dual monitor support). I have an older HP deskjet 722C printer (parallel interface), Canon Pixma IP5000 photo printer (USB) and an Epson Perfection 2580 Photo scanner (USB)attached. I ran a "windows 7 compatibility" software utility downloaded from MS which checks all your drivers and hardware to see if it compatible with Win7. It reported that nothing, including my graphics card, would be compatible with Win7. So I would have to replace all my perfectly working hardware in order to upgrade to Win7. Needless to say I'm sticking with WinXP until I am forced to change. Jeff --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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I built my first (and only) pc in 2008:
MB ABIT|IP35 Pro XE P35 R Cpu CPU INTEL|C2D E8400 3G 775 45N R First memory MEM 2Gx2|CORS TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF R I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. But now quite a few things have become inconvenient with having an obsolete OS. The latest was the news that Chrome (which I run on top of XP, will no longer be able to get updates if it runs on XP. I don't know how much of a problem that will be but I need Chrome. I wonder, could I just buy a Windows 7 or perhaps Windows 10 CD and expect it to install on this machine? I recall a number of files from Abit came with the motherboard. Did I have to have these installed for my WindowsXP to install/work? (and I guess you know, Abit no longer makes motherboards) Then there was the problem I encountered when I tried to install XP on a notebook I'd purchased with Vista installed. Turned out it couldn't be done, I had to live with Vista. These doubts make me very wary of simply buying a new Windows and trying to install it, thought I'd better put the question to the experts (you guys) |
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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuilt pc
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:56:00 -0500, John B. Smith
wrote: I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. XP/SP3 offers the widest backwards compatibility, narrowing choices to SP1. The name of game is then find old utilities for modern programs reinventing the wheel. Programs where prior versions are listed may help. It's the INET you're saying that's leaving you behind, which is as intended: They, industry, wants you to upgrade and force you into their channels of determined standards of obsolescence. For non-alt.hardware.pc.homebuit that means: if all software, a browser, doesn't work, therefore, the computer is busted. Welcome to alt.computer.literacy. Learn or sink. Your options, if you accept this mission abound. See you later in alt.computer.hacking. Maybe. (I'm not sure if that group was declared illegal and shut down.) |
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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuiltpc
John B. Smith wrote:
I built my first (and only) pc in 2008: MB ABIT|IP35 Pro XE P35 R Cpu CPU INTEL|C2D E8400 3G 775 45N R First memory MEM 2Gx2|CORS TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF R What is your vid card? My read^1 on that mobo is that it doesn't have onboard video. I can't see any reason yet the Win7 wouldn't work. MS also advises checking on your peripherals such as printer drivers. I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. But now quite a few things have become inconvenient with having an obsolete OS. The latest was the news that Chrome (which I run on top of XP, will no longer be able to get updates if it runs on XP. I don't know how much of a problem that will be but I need Chrome. I wonder, could I just buy a Windows 7 or perhaps Windows 10 CD and expect it to install on this machine? MS makes a tool that you can run on XP to test your hardware for compatibility with Win7 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...ils.aspx?id=20 The Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor scans your PC for potential compatibility issues and lets you know about your Windows 7 upgrade options. Within minutes, you'll get a report that tells you if your PC meets the system requirements, if any known compatibility issues with your hardware, devices, and installed programs are found, and gives guidance on what to do to before installing Windows 7 on your PC. Personally I would rather have Win7 than Win10 ^1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127030 -- Mike Easter |
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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuiltpc
John B. Smith wrote:
I built my first (and only) pc in 2008: MB ABIT|IP35 Pro XE P35 R Cpu CPU INTEL|C2D E8400 3G 775 45N R First memory MEM 2Gx2|CORS TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF R I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. But now quite a few things have become inconvenient with having an obsolete OS. The latest was the news that Chrome (which I run on top of XP, will no longer be able to get updates if it runs on XP. I don't know how much of a problem that will be but I need Chrome. I wonder, could I just buy a Windows 7 or perhaps Windows 10 CD and expect it to install on this machine? I recall a number of files from Abit came with the motherboard. Did I have to have these installed for my WindowsXP to install/work? (and I guess you know, Abit no longer makes motherboards) Then there was the problem I encountered when I tried to install XP on a notebook I'd purchased with Vista installed. Turned out it couldn't be done, I had to live with Vista. These doubts make me very wary of simply buying a new Windows and trying to install it, thought I'd better put the question to the experts (you guys) If you buy Win7 SP1 x64, you can always upgrade to Win10 x64 for free. That would give you a chance to see if it works. The free upgrade interval, lasts until July 29, 2016 or so. For me, one limiting item, is video card. My HD 6450 (a cheap card), has just gone out of support for Win10. No problem with a Win7 driver. On the NVidia side, the rot has extended to the 8800 family, and there might not be any more Win10 driver updates for it. So you might need a newer (cheap) video card at some point. Take care to buy something which spans the OSes you want covered. When I needed a copy of Win7, I bought Win7 SP1 Professional, as the Test Machine has more RAM than the other versions of Win7 will allow. I can run WinXP Mode (copy of Virtual PC as well as a legal install of WinXP) if I want. Win7 also has stuff like Media Center (which I don't use either, as my tuner is the wrong kind). https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...78(VS.85).aspx Select this column, for future x64 Chrome work -------------+ | v Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64 Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB Lots o' RAM, WinXP Mode Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB (My laptop uses this) Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB If I wanted, I could upgrade the Professional license, to Win10 Pro. The lesser Win7 licenses, might be upgradeable to Win10 Home/Core. I could probably have installed the expensive Win7 on this machine (an E8400), but the Test Machine is newer and it's the one that needed a reliable OS. I can actually get work done in Win7, whereas with Win10, Microsoft is always using my network interface when I don't want them to. Or scanning my disk, or whatever. Once you test Win10, you can decide whether it's the right answer or not. Install Win7 first, but do a *backup* before Win10 Upgrade messes things up. The "revert" capability in Win10, doesn't work as well as restoring Windows 7 from a backup you made. You've been warned... If you install Win7 SP1 x64 and you don't want to see any Microsoft automatic Win10 Upgrade shenanigans, use this. Since my copy of Win7 SP1 Professional has Windows Update turned off, I don't need this. http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html Win10 is a "SmartPhone OS". Win10 is a copy of Win8, with SmartPhone slider switches to control privacy settings. So as an OS, it tends to make the same sorts of privacy wrecking plays, as a SmartPhone might try. Paul |
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 18:36:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
The free upgrade interval, lasts until July 29, 2016 or so. Besides free, there's more, it's also adware. The British National Enquirer released recently an article where recently [mandatory if online] W10 updates changed out the desktop theme for a lot of people into tiled windows advertising a game. Not a happy reception from all; the Enquirer, he call Microsoft's W10 an alien exploding-stomach OS. |
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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuiltpc
Flasherly wrote:
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:56:00 -0500, John B. Smith wrote: I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. XP/SP3 offers the widest backwards compatibility, narrowing choices to SP1. The name of game is then find old utilities for modern programs reinventing the wheel. Programs where prior versions are listed may help. It's the INET you're saying that's leaving you behind, which is as intended: They, industry, wants you to upgrade and force you into their channels of determined standards of obsolescence. For non-alt.hardware.pc.homebuit that means: if all software, a browser, doesn't work, therefore, the computer is busted. Welcome to alt.computer.literacy. Learn or sink. Your options, if you accept this mission abound. See you later in alt.computer.hacking. Maybe. (I'm not sure if that group was declared illegal and shut down.) I installed Linux Mint on the side, and I must say that I am impressed. I did need to upgrade to the Oracle version of Java before I was more impressed! : ) I think I will move to Linux Mint before I accept the terms of Windows 10. YMMV. Bill |
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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuilt pc
On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:50:20 -0500, Bill
wrote: I installed Linux Mint on the side, and I must say that I am impressed. I did need to upgrade to the Oracle version of Java before I was more impressed! : ) I think I will move to Linux Mint before I accept the terms of Windows 10. YMMV. Bill That advertising mentioned I heard taking over the W10 desktop, or worse intent and persistency on part of MS for domination, may eventually, as you say, weigh against what all may involved in setting up virtual machines, *nix being foremost perhaps easily accessed for alt resources;- I've already a few such setups conditionally as live distributions for running off a flashstick, handy in their own right for preparing system builds. Btw- a European order was released yesterday from a consortium of some 45 countries. Addressed specifically at United States metadata gathering techniques and a grievousness for processing privacy rights when they're violated. |
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upgrading to a higher version of Windows with an older homebuilt pc
I ran the Win 7 Upgrade Advisor. I take it you dump Win 7 Upgrade
right on top of an existing WinXP partition, ie UPGRADE it? In which case I MUST upgrade to 32bit Win 7 cause I am running 32 bit XP now? The report says to check Windows Update on Nvidea Geforce GT430 video card I'm running now for latest drivers after Win 7 install. But let me ask a shockingly dumb question: if I didn't UPGRADE but simply bought a Win 7 Pro CD, Could I choose 64 bit with my existing equipment? I had thought I was stuck with 32bit for anything I wanted to do My existing software won't care if my machine is running a 64 bit OS?. I take it there is an advantage to using 64bit if you can? You guys have given me so much hope that I'm now flirting with a dual-boot idea to image restore a WinXP backup to its own partition. I dual booted Win 3.1 and 98 for a long time but swore off that stuff when I got XP. On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 18:36:49 -0500, Paul wrote: John B. Smith wrote: I built my first (and only) pc in 2008: MB ABIT|IP35 Pro XE P35 R Cpu CPU INTEL|C2D E8400 3G 775 45N R First memory MEM 2Gx2|CORS TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF R I installed WindowsXP on it and have held onto that OS for dear life ever since. But now quite a few things have become inconvenient with having an obsolete OS. The latest was the news that Chrome (which I run on top of XP, will no longer be able to get updates if it runs on XP. I don't know how much of a problem that will be but I need Chrome. I wonder, could I just buy a Windows 7 or perhaps Windows 10 CD and expect it to install on this machine? I recall a number of files from Abit came with the motherboard. Did I have to have these installed for my WindowsXP to install/work? (and I guess you know, Abit no longer makes motherboards) Then there was the problem I encountered when I tried to install XP on a notebook I'd purchased with Vista installed. Turned out it couldn't be done, I had to live with Vista. These doubts make me very wary of simply buying a new Windows and trying to install it, thought I'd better put the question to the experts (you guys) If you buy Win7 SP1 x64, you can always upgrade to Win10 x64 for free. That would give you a chance to see if it works. The free upgrade interval, lasts until July 29, 2016 or so. For me, one limiting item, is video card. My HD 6450 (a cheap card), has just gone out of support for Win10. No problem with a Win7 driver. On the NVidia side, the rot has extended to the 8800 family, and there might not be any more Win10 driver updates for it. So you might need a newer (cheap) video card at some point. Take care to buy something which spans the OSes you want covered. When I needed a copy of Win7, I bought Win7 SP1 Professional, as the Test Machine has more RAM than the other versions of Win7 will allow. I can run WinXP Mode (copy of Virtual PC as well as a legal install of WinXP) if I want. Win7 also has stuff like Media Center (which I don't use either, as my tuner is the wrong kind). https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...78(VS.85).aspx Select this column, for future x64 Chrome work -------------+ | v Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64 Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB Lots o' RAM, WinXP Mode Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB (My laptop uses this) Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB If I wanted, I could upgrade the Professional license, to Win10 Pro. The lesser Win7 licenses, might be upgradeable to Win10 Home/Core. I could probably have installed the expensive Win7 on this machine (an E8400), but the Test Machine is newer and it's the one that needed a reliable OS. I can actually get work done in Win7, whereas with Win10, Microsoft is always using my network interface when I don't want them to. Or scanning my disk, or whatever. Once you test Win10, you can decide whether it's the right answer or not. Install Win7 first, but do a *backup* before Win10 Upgrade messes things up. The "revert" capability in Win10, doesn't work as well as restoring Windows 7 from a backup you made. You've been warned... If you install Win7 SP1 x64 and you don't want to see any Microsoft automatic Win10 Upgrade shenanigans, use this. Since my copy of Win7 SP1 Professional has Windows Update turned off, I don't need this. http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html Win10 is a "SmartPhone OS". Win10 is a copy of Win8, with SmartPhone slider switches to control privacy settings. So as an OS, it tends to make the same sorts of privacy wrecking plays, as a SmartPhone might try. Paul |
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On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:10:37 -0500, John B. Smith
wrote: I had thought I was stuck with 32bit for anything I wanted to do My existing software won't care if my machine is running a 64 bit OS?. I take it there is an advantage to using 64bit if you can? 64bits do have advantage over prior 32bit, though the cost may be incompatibility (hence options among software publishers for either a 32bit release, if at all available, or an error presumably during install qualifying 64bit). You guys have given me so much hope that I'm now flirting with a dual-boot idea to image restore a WinXP backup to its own partition. I dual booted Win 3.1 and 98 for a long time but swore off that stuff when I got XP. Boot arbitrators, though perhaps ungainly for shoehorning how might an OS react, goes along as much, as it were, with a binary restoration routine's adaptability to possible minute changes in a prior partition and the OS reaction, if any. Invaluable, though, for the fastidiously pernicious sanity of some character types, I'd qualify, when and if an OS should take upon itself, seemingly, manifest singularities for changing settings I've applied prior without obvious reason for doing so. Beyond which, in alt.comp.nirvana.lalaland, arises the specter of an underlying machine's capacity to run multiples of OS's congruently off Virtual Machines with blissful impunity. |
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