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Questions about DDR RAM
"Igor" wrote in message newsp.tzl7q8aokkm7ou@a... On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:44:03 -0400, kony wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:54:49 -0400, Igor wrote: On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:50:59 -0400, Paul wrote: snip If you tell us the motherboard make and model, we give better advice. I don't see how that information is relevant to my two primary questions, or even why it would be necessary to venture an answer to the third. They're pretty general questions. Are you one of those guys who likes to make everything more complicated than it needs to be? Paul does a good job of answering questions and posing details of variables that may matter. Sometimes the rest of us just make assumptions instead of putting forth as much effort. His point was good, that providing details of your hardware is a good idea, it allows a reply more applicable to specific hardware. I didn't mean to jump on Paul, I'm sure he's a friendly and knowledgeable guy, but why did he assume that I had wanted that level of detail in a response? If I had wanted a specific, tailor-made reply, I would've provided the details of my hardware. In this case, I just wanted a simple reply, so I didn't feel the need to provide such details. I found the insinuation that I *should have* provided the make and model of my motherboard, that not doing so was an oversight on my part, and that my questions couldn't be properly answered as I had posed them, just a bit patronizing. Igor, I'm sure you misinterpreted Paul's response. I've *never* seen him flame anyone. Also, he may know of, say, some mobos that would accept the different sticks and merely run both at the rate of the slower stick; and at the same time know of other mobos which would balk from the get-go. I've seen some ram spec'd as "known to work on the following ": see the long list, somewhat fine print he http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=017 I'm sure you will find your answers here on this ng. Sorry I could offer no more than the "run at the rate of the slower", which I can only say I've seen in several personal instances; I'd hesitate to extrapolate them to be generally-expected results. Thx and good luck and please remember to reply to posted questions any info you feel helpful. s |
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Questions about DDR RAM
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:15:17 -0400, kony wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:38:58 -0400, Igor wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:44:03 -0400, kony wrote: On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:54:49 -0400, Igor wrote: On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:50:59 -0400, Paul wrote: snip If you tell us the motherboard make and model, we give better advice. I don't see how that information is relevant to my two primary questions, or even why it would be necessary to venture an answer to the third. They're pretty general questions. Are you one of those guys who likes to make everything more complicated than it needs to be? Paul does a good job of answering questions and posing details of variables that may matter. Sometimes the rest of us just make assumptions instead of putting forth as much effort. His point was good, that providing details of your hardware is a good idea, it allows a reply more applicable to specific hardware. I didn't mean to jump on Paul, I'm sure he's a friendly and knowledgeable guy, but why did he assume that I had wanted that level of detail in a response? Because it depends on the motherboard and chipset you are considering for this upgrade. It does, eh? Funny how you didn't seem to have any trouble answering the questions until now. If I had wanted a specific, tailor-made reply, I would've provided the details of my hardware. In this case, I just wanted a simple reply, so I didn't feel the need to provide such details. .. but there is no simple reply, if there were there wouldn't have been any further inquiry to what specific system hardware/chipset it is. This is circular logic. And as I've pointed out, you didn't have any trouble answering the questions until now. I found the insinuation that I *should have* provided the make and model of my motherboard, that not doing so was an oversight on my part, and that my questions couldn't be properly answered as I had posed them, just a bit patronizing. If you can't bother to provide details of the system upon which you try to upgrade the memory, you won't get the correct answer because it depends upon the variables we asked about (or else, we wouldn't have bothered to mention it at all). Bull****. I got plenty of clear and useful replies to my questions, including yours. The issues I raised are not nearly as complicated as you now make them out to be. You're not discussing technical issues here anymore, you're trying to turn this into a ****ing contest. Bottom line: I phrase my questions however I want to phrase them, I provide whatever information I feel like providing, and if you don't like it, you can move to the next thread. |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:44:00 -0400, sdlomi2
wrote: Igor, I'm sure you misinterpreted Paul's response. I've *never* seen him flame anyone. Also, he may know of, say, some mobos that would accept the different sticks and merely run both at the rate of the slower stick; and at the same time know of other mobos which would balk from the get-go. I've seen some ram spec'd as "known to work on the following ": see the long list, somewhat fine print he http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=017 I'm sure you will find your answers here on this ng. Sorry I could offer no more than the "run at the rate of the slower", which I can only say I've seen in several personal instances; I'd hesitate to extrapolate them to be generally-expected results. Thx and good luck and please remember to reply to posted questions any info you feel helpful. s I feel no ill-will towards Paul, and I understand where he was coming from, though I still feel that the questions being asked were general enough that they could be answered without needing additional information. |
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Questions about DDR RAM
Igor wrote:
CBFalconer wrote: But, if the MB can handle it, ensure you get ECC capable memory. My motherboard's manual doesn't say anything about supporting ECC, so I'll assume that it doesn't. However, I plan on putting together a PC from scratch in the near future, so perhaps ECC support is something I should be looking for in a motherboard. In a nutshell, why is ECC capable memory more desirable? Most people don't care, and most mobo's won't support it. |
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Igor wrote: I'm planning to add some memory to a PC. The motherboard supports "DDR up to 333 MHz (enhanced) memory bus." 333 Mhz is the maximum speed of the memory bus, not the maximum speed of the memory that will work. 333 MHz (PC2700) or slower DDR SDRAM isn't easy to find on today's market, and when you do find it, it's considerably more expensive than the DDR which runs at 400 MHz (PC3200). What would happen if I bought 400 MHz DDR RAM and installed it in a motherboard which only supports speeds up to 333 MHz (PC2700)? Would it work? If it did work, would it work as well as the slower PC2700 RAM? You can always use memory rated for a higher speed than the memory bus if it is the correct type, e.g. don't try to use DDR2 in place of DDR memory. I've gotten conflicting answers to this question. Two computer stores told me that it wouldn't work. Another store and a book I consulted said it would. Never ask a salesman a technical question. I'd also like some opinions on which brand of RAM I should get. Kingston and Samsung are ubiquitous where I live, so the choice comes down to one of those. Both brands are about the same price, with the Samsung being marginally cheaper. I have had good results with Kingston, never used Samsung. Finally, would a 128 MB stick of 266 MHz DDR RAM be able to run in the same computer as, say, a 512 MB stick of 400 MHz DDR RAM? If so, would using both at the same time degrade the performance of the faster RAM? Both DIMMs would run at 266 Mhz. |
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Igor wrote:
Bottom line: I phrase my questions however I want to phrase them, I provide whatever information I feel like providing, and if you don't like it, you can move to the next thread. With an attitude like that I've a feeling you'll be getting a lot less answers to your questions in the future! |
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On 3 Oct, 08:55, Igor wrote:
However, I plan on putting together a PC from scratch in the near future, so perhaps ECC support is something I should be looking for in a motherboard. In a nutshell, why is ECC capable memory more desirable? It has additional bits used to store checksum information so that errors can be detected and simple ones corrected. In short, it's a reliability thing. Without knowing much about your set up, it's impossible to be sure but at three or four times the cost of normal RAM I doubt it will be a cost-effective way of improving reliability. If you want to do that on most systems, you're better off spending the money on things like fitting a UPS and RAID storage - these cover much less reliable elements of the system. Memory is fairly reliable provided you aren't recklessly overclocking things so I'd consider ECC inappropriate on all but the most mission- critical systems. Unless you are talking about a machine already fitted out with a UPS, hot-swappable RAID, redundant power supplies and preferably an secure, climate controlled machine room to put it all in there are more important risk factors to consider. |
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Questions about DDR RAM
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:30:41 -0400, Andrew
wrote: On 3 Oct, 08:55, Igor wrote: However, I plan on putting together a PC from scratch in the near future, so perhaps ECC support is something I should be looking for in a motherboard. In a nutshell, why is ECC capable memory more desirable? It has additional bits used to store checksum information so that errors can be detected and simple ones corrected. In short, it's a reliability thing. Without knowing much about your set up, it's impossible to be sure but at three or four times the cost of normal RAM I doubt it will be a cost-effective way of improving reliability. If you want to do that on most systems, you're better off spending the money on things like fitting a UPS and RAID storage - these cover much less reliable elements of the system. Memory is fairly reliable provided you aren't recklessly overclocking things so I'd consider ECC inappropriate on all but the most mission- critical systems. snip I don't plan on overclocking (recklessly or otherwise), so I'd say you're right. I've been using a computer I had custom built a few years ago as a DAW (digital audio workstation). All it has is a stick of cheap, non-ECC RAM, and I've never had any problems. If I had unlimited funds and I was trying to build the ultimate computer, I'd spring for ECC, but in the real world, budgets matter, and I've been getting fine without it so far. |
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Questions about DDR RAM
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:44:59 -0400, class_a wrote:
Igor wrote: Bottom line: I phrase my questions however I want to phrase them, I provide whatever information I feel like providing, and if you don't like it, you can move to the next thread. With an attitude like that I've a feeling you'll be getting a lot less answers to your questions in the future! Out of the dozen or so people who posted useful responses to my questions, only two seemed to have a problem with how I asked them. Out of those two, only one tried to make a federal case out of it. And you're the only person who's felt a need to offer me a civics lesson. I'm not losing any sleep over the prospect of a couple of sanctimonious control freaks with delusions of grandeur putting me in their killfiles. In fact, they'd be doing me a favor if they did; the fewer such people that I need to deal with, the happier I'll be! |
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Questions about DDR RAM
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:08:46 -0400, Igor
wrote: I've been had by the brokerage scam as well. The only way around paying brokerage fees that I've found is by insisting that the order be shipped through USPS rather than by courier. However, it seems USPS have raised their fees recently, so that option may no longer be worthwhile. I suppose a computer case is too big to ship through USPS anyways. I thought that Newegg started shipping to Canada a couple years ago. At that time it was mentioned they'd use UPS and that they might be able to leverage a reduction in brokerage fees from UPS. You might pick a product at Newegg, put it in your cart and enter shipping address during checkout to see what they charge (IIRC, the brokerage fee is included in the listed shipping cost once they have the Canadian shipping address) before completing the order. |
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