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You are so wise, and you show such sophistication. Have you ever thought
about going into the Diplomatic Corps? |
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DaveL wrote:
Screw you, commie. You don't like the price then don't buy it. DaveL Troll Alert PLONK!! |
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It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over two years ago. I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies and flood the market! You're already making all the products. |
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aether wrote:
It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over two years ago. I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies and flood the market! You're already making all the products. No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out your lack of understanding about markets. |
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No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out
your lack of understanding about markets. I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the past five years. |
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"aether" wrote:
I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the past five years. Excuse me, but the easy explanation for rising prices in the United States is the falling United States dollar. Not having read the other posts, I suspect you have been told that several times. It hasn't been for the past five years either. I think it's been for about two years. Look at the United States dollar. If it's been falling for two years, I'm right. If it's been falling for five years, you are right. -- Writing the first dynamically timed systemwide macro recorder for Windows XP. Please see (comp.windows.open-look). Coding help is needed, using VC++ 7. |
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aether wrote:
No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out your lack of understanding about markets. I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's been said. Apparently not. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are outrageous, You seem to think that just because you don't like 'prices' then that's 'proof' of something, but it's not. Other than you don't like prices. and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to increase. Maybe they should. Where is it written that things should be priced just to suit YOU? The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the past five years. Your 'solutions' are fly off the handle and shoot self in foot kind of things. Flood the market, flood the market, cheap, cheap... yeah yeah. Which also puts companies out of business and people out of work. Things were real damn cheap during the Depression too but I hardly think of that as a 'solution' to anything. Let me pose a hypothetical example to illustrate how simplistic and short sighted your 'outrage' is. A plant that makes memory chips can also make other kinds of chips; say chips for cell phones. Cell phone market increases and plant can make money with cell phone chips, which is a good thing because people like to buy cell phones. Increase in cell phone chip production lowers cell phone pricing but increases memory pricing because that production is lowered from the shift to cell phone chips. You scream about memory prices, force people to make more memory chips to satisfy your 'outrage', and cell phone prices increase because of the reverse shift in production you forced. So now you scream about cell phone prices and want to force more things, which screws up something else which you, of course, scream about. Meanwhile, if you were actually able to forces these things, you'd be destroying the capital for plant expansion and product development, running companies out of business, and putting people out of work. And out of work people have a hard time buying things even at 'non outrageous' prices so volume decreases and cost per unit goes up, which causes more layoffs, or wage deflation, and a raft full of other equally undesirable consequences. On the other hand, if prices really are 'outrageous' then someone will get the bright idea to make money by selling into that market, by either a production shift or the building of new plants, at a lower price and reap profits from the volume. And if they try to make 'too much' profit someone else will undercut them to take market share. That is, until the price drops so low that the next guy decides he can make more money in the cell phone market rather than make memory chips. Which is a good thing because we don't want super expensive cell phones, now do we? Or maybe they'll make GPS chips because, after all, we don't want 'outrageous' GPS prices either. Or maybe they'll make GPU chips. Or maybe the investor will say to hell with the volatile, low profit, chip industry and invest in geothermal home heating units, or party balloons, or who the hell knows what? But, whatever it is, I'm sure you don't want 'outrageous' prices there either so it's a good thing someone is investing in it. |
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aether wrote:
No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out your lack of understanding about markets. I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the past five years. Considering that I paid $800 for 4 Megabytes of memory when I built my first computer (and the price had been over $400 a Megabyte just before then) and only $160 for 1 Gigabyte of memory for my last computer I think current memory prices are a deal. This is a drop of 1,250 times. What other market has seen such a drop in prices, especially when you factor in the fact that the first memory came on 36 DIMMs which had to plugged into sockets and was at least a thousand times slower than the new memory? If the industry was interested in "gouging" the public they would have stopped R&D in the 1980s and saved Billions of dollars a year there alone. Plus they would not have had to build all the new plants at Billions of dollars each to make the new chips the researchers developed. Hard drives could have stayed at the 40 MB level at around $10 per megabyte and another huge savings by the industry could be made. Without developing the new products the consumer would never know they were possible so they would accept the "bargain" prices they were offered. Just like they do when they buy a new TV, or toaster, or car. |
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"aether" wrote in message ups.com... It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over two years ago. Right now you can get the Radeon 9800 card for around $170 at Comp USA, after the sale/rebate. I would sell you my old 9800, but I gave it to my Ma when I bought one of those $400 video cards to replace it... I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies and flood the market! You're already making all the products. :-/ |
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I'll cite examples of what I speak of:
DRAM Pricing: The Fix Is In - May 12, 2003 - http://www.newsforge.com/hardware/03...21.shtml?tid=7 PC memory prices soar - September 9, 1999 - http://news.com.com/2100-1001-278066...ag=xlr8yourmac Retailers to hike PC price tags (note - March 25, 2002 - http://money.cnn.com/2002/03/25/technology/pc_prices/ Rising Costs Put PC Price Wars Into Reverse - March 28, 2002 - http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=354138 Memory Prices Double - January 15, 2002 - http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...,src,ov,00.asp Micron Warns About Soaring DRAM Prices - July 13, 2004 - http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/...714014024.html |
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