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Old April 25th 07, 06:49 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
cew
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Beemer Biker wrote:
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I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing
CPU time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.


Looking at all your posts seems you got a real hardware problem.

Try the following: Remove any cables connected to the motherboard or
system that are un-terminated or not necessary:

4 wire Audio CD to motherboard from player/recorder if you are using
that.

Any USB or firewire cables (except that usb keyboard and mouse).
Should not have any un-terminated usb or firewire hanging off the system.

All audio cables going to/from speakers or line.

Pull cpu fan cable off motherboard and connect to an adapter so the
power to the cpu fan comes from the powersupply. Do the same for any
other 3 pin fans or just remove them.

The above prevents noise, glitches, etc from being injected into the
motherboard. It has been found that faulty fans can cause electrical
spikes and some motherboards are more susceptible than others.

You might want to try a non-USB keyboard and mouse.

You couid have a ground loop where not enough metal standoffs are
being used and return ground is going thru a screw near a sensitive
component. Some motherboard designs required an insulated washer for
screws near the back of the case but generally the newer designs
should not have this problem. You might want to just pull out the
motherboard and see if the problem is repeatable. If it is out of the
case then you can gently flex the board to check for cracks. One
problem I have seen is a loose 4 pin power connector on a hard drive.
Really obvious as the system would hang and/or reset when I jiggled
the wireing about or pressed against the drive connector. You could
also put a GFI tester on the power outlet to verify the ground is
working. I actually had this happen as one room in a house we owned
was not properly grounded and we noticed the system would lock up when
shuffiling the feet across the room and touching the case.

HTH


Thanks for the suggestions -- will try them.
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Old April 26th 07, 01:44 AM posted to comp.sys.intel
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"cew" wrote in message
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***** charles wrote:
"cew" wrote in message
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I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.

Get and boot to Ubuntu 7.04 i386 DT. Then run the memory
tester over night. That would rule out cpu, mb, ram and ps if
it doesn't lock up.

later.....


Thanks --- link? I guess I good 'look it up'.
Will it test ps and memory in standby?? That may well be my problem.


Sorry for the late response.

You can only really test a ps with a ps tester, a piece of hardware.
They are cheap you can get them over the Internet. However, I have
found that even if the tester "passed" the ps, it still may not boot or
work reliably so having a known good ps as an alternative is best.

Memory is not tested in standby it is tested actively.

Goto http://www.ubuntu.com to get the download.

later.....


  #13  
Old April 26th 07, 01:48 AM posted to comp.sys.intel
***** charles
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"cew" wrote in message
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I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.


Once you rule out hardware as the cause of the lockup, backup your data
and wipe your drive with a good wiper and reinstall from scratch. It could
be that sofware deamons have invaded you computer. Also don't forget
to include a bios wipe/upgrade. Viruses have been known to affect them
too.

later.....


  #14  
Old April 26th 07, 04:47 AM posted to comp.sys.intel
cew
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***** charles wrote:
"cew" wrote in message
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I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.


Once you rule out hardware as the cause of the lockup, backup your data
and wipe your drive with a good wiper and reinstall from scratch. It could
be that sofware deamons have invaded you computer. Also don't forget
to include a bios wipe/upgrade. Viruses have been known to affect them
too.

later.....



I still think there is a problem with my C: SATA W2K disk not spinning
up when power is applied at boot, or recover from standby or hibernate.
Another day or so or no power off or standby to confirm. Then try to
reproduce, fix, or replace.
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Old April 26th 07, 03:08 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
cew
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cew wrote:
I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.

Without spinning down the C drive (power, standby, hibernate), my
computer has run for 48 hours with no problem. 24 in UBCD windows memory
test, and 24 in standard W2K configuration.
  #16  
Old April 27th 07, 02:15 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
Bill Davidsen
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cew wrote:
***** charles wrote:
"cew" wrote in message
...

I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.


Once you rule out hardware as the cause of the lockup, backup your data
and wipe your drive with a good wiper and reinstall from scratch. It
could
be that sofware deamons have invaded you computer. Also don't forget
to include a bios wipe/upgrade. Viruses have been known to affect them
too.

later.....



I still think there is a problem with my C: SATA W2K disk not spinning
up when power is applied at boot, or recover from standby or hibernate.
Another day or so or no power off or standby to confirm. Then try to
reproduce, fix, or replace.


Have you used whatever tools Windows provides for checking the S.M.A.R.T
status built into the drive? You should have a record of retried or
failed spin-ups and be able to run extensive tests.

It sounds like a disk hardware problem, and if you spend enough time
diagnosing it, it will probably fail hard. Or you could buy a
replacement for $100, copy to the new drive and keep the old for a
backup, and eliminate one problem.

I agree with the poster who suggested a wipe and reinstall including
BIOS. Windows is "less insecure" than it was, but once malware gets in
it's hard to find. I suggest DBAN (Daryl's Boot And Nuke) to clean the
drive, and don't hesitate to clean the "hidden" (reinstall from disk)
partition, viruses hide there. Of course be sure you have new install
media and keys before wiping...

--
Bill Davidsen
He was a full-time professional cat, not some moonlighting
ferret or weasel. He knew about these things.
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Old April 27th 07, 02:27 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
***** charles
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"cew" wrote in message
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cew wrote:
I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.

Without spinning down the C drive (power, standby, hibernate), my
computer has run for 48 hours with no problem. 24 in UBCD windows memory
test, and 24 in standard W2K configuration.


Then you have a software problem.

later.....


  #18  
Old April 27th 07, 10:45 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
cew
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Bill Davidsen wrote:
cew wrote:
***** charles wrote:
"cew" wrote in message
...

I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.


Once you rule out hardware as the cause of the lockup, backup your data
and wipe your drive with a good wiper and reinstall from scratch.
It could
be that sofware deamons have invaded you computer. Also don't forget
to include a bios wipe/upgrade. Viruses have been known to affect them
too.

later.....



I still think there is a problem with my C: SATA W2K disk not
spinning up when power is applied at boot, or recover from standby or
hibernate. Another day or so or no power off or standby to confirm.
Then try to reproduce, fix, or replace.


Have you used whatever tools Windows provides for checking the
S.M.A.R.T status built into the drive? You should have a record of
retried or failed spin-ups and be able to run extensive tests.

It sounds like a disk hardware problem, and if you spend enough time
diagnosing it, it will probably fail hard. Or you could buy a
replacement for $100, copy to the new drive and keep the old for a
backup, and eliminate one problem.

I agree with the poster who suggested a wipe and reinstall including
BIOS. Windows is "less insecure" than it was, but once malware gets in
it's hard to find. I suggest DBAN (Daryl's Boot And Nuke) to clean the
drive, and don't hesitate to clean the "hidden" (reinstall from disk)
partition, viruses hide there. Of course be sure you have new install
media and keys before wiping...

I don't see or know of any Windows tools for that. Do you? I haven't
tried all the tools on the UBCD yet -- maybe.
Getting close to replacing the drive. Not a big deal, as you say.
  #19  
Old April 27th 07, 10:45 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
cew
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***** charles wrote:
"cew" wrote in message
...

cew wrote:

I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.

Without spinning down the C drive (power, standby, hibernate), my
computer has run for 48 hours with no problem. 24 in UBCD windows memory
test, and 24 in standard W2K configuration.


Then you have a software problem.

later.....



Full reinstall coming up -- soon.
  #20  
Old April 28th 07, 06:08 PM posted to comp.sys.intel
cew
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Bill Davidsen wrote:
cew wrote:
***** charles wrote:
"cew" wrote in message
...

I have task manager processes running. When my computer completely
stops working, system idle and all other process stop incrementing CPU
time.
Any suggestions as to most likely problem? CPU? MB? PS?
intel d865perl, p42.8 1G matched ram. W2K.


Once you rule out hardware as the cause of the lockup, backup your data
and wipe your drive with a good wiper and reinstall from scratch.
It could
be that sofware deamons have invaded you computer. Also don't forget
to include a bios wipe/upgrade. Viruses have been known to affect them
too.

later.....



I still think there is a problem with my C: SATA W2K disk not
spinning up when power is applied at boot, or recover from standby or
hibernate. Another day or so or no power off or standby to confirm.
Then try to reproduce, fix, or replace.


Have you used whatever tools Windows provides for checking the
S.M.A.R.T status built into the drive? You should have a record of
retried or failed spin-ups and be able to run extensive tests.

It sounds like a disk hardware problem, and if you spend enough time
diagnosing it, it will probably fail hard. Or you could buy a
replacement for $100, copy to the new drive and keep the old for a
backup, and eliminate one problem.

I agree with the poster who suggested a wipe and reinstall including
BIOS. Windows is "less insecure" than it was, but once malware gets in
it's hard to find. I suggest DBAN (Daryl's Boot And Nuke) to clean the
drive, and don't hesitate to clean the "hidden" (reinstall from disk)
partition, viruses hide there. Of course be sure you have new install
media and keys before wiping...

Found the Western Digital diagnostics that include S.M.A.R.T. retrieval.
No problems noted.
 




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