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Old December 6th 06, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
Fidelis K
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What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center actually do? If I
change the setting, will it change the way, say, Media Player plays back
various video clips?


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Old December 6th 06, 04:35 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
Ken Maltby
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"Fidelis K" wrote in message
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What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center actually do? If
I change the setting, will it change the way, say, Media Player plays back
various video clips?


Where are you seeing this setting? Describe how you
get to it?

Luck;
Ken


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Old December 6th 06, 04:45 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
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"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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"Fidelis K" wrote in message
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What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center actually do?
If
I change the setting, will it change the way, say, Media Player plays
back various video clips?


Where are you seeing this setting? Describe how you
get to it?


How can you not see it in the CCC?


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Old December 6th 06, 04:50 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
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Default Avivo Video?


"Fidelis K" wrote in message
news

"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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"Fidelis K" wrote in message
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What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center actually do?
If
I change the setting, will it change the way, say, Media Player plays
back various video clips?


Where are you seeing this setting? Describe how you
get to it?


How can you not see it in the CCC?


All I see, in the Basic menu, is the "button" to launch the
Converter. I don't recall any real "setting" for Avivo, in
CCC, at all.

Luck;
Ken



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Old December 6th 06, 05:30 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
Fidelis K
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Default Avivo Video?


"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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All I see, in the Basic menu, is the "button" to launch the
Converter. I don't recall any real "setting" for Avivo, in
CCC, at all.


Oh, I see. I never used the basic menu. Change CCC to the advanced menu and
you'll see many parameters of Avivo that you can adjust.


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Old December 6th 06, 11:30 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
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Default Avivo Video?

Avivo Only works with cards above 1xxx, i.e. 1300, 1600, 1900, etc. It will
not work with x800, 9700, 9600, etc.

That is why you cannot see it...your ATI card cannot support it and you will
not see it in CCC. You obviously have not been to the ATI update page in a
long, long time...Avivio has been there for download for a Loooooong time,
along with the list of cards that are compatible.

Honu


"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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"Fidelis K" wrote in message
news

"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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"Fidelis K" wrote in message
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What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center actually do?
If
I change the setting, will it change the way, say, Media Player plays
back various video clips?

Where are you seeing this setting? Describe how you
get to it?


How can you not see it in the CCC?


All I see, in the Basic menu, is the "button" to launch the
Converter. I don't recall any real "setting" for Avivo, in
CCC, at all.

Luck;
Ken





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Old December 6th 06, 12:40 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
Ken Maltby
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Default Avivo Video?


"Hertz_Donut" wrote in message
newsdKdnaXDqY5EBuvYnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
Avivo Only works with cards above 1xxx, i.e. 1300, 1600, 1900, etc. It
will not work with x800, 9700, 9600, etc.

That is why you cannot see it...your ATI card cannot support it and you
will not see it in CCC. You obviously have not been to the ATI update
page in a long, long time...Avivio has been there for download for a
Loooooong time, along with the list of cards that are compatible.

Honu


Actually that's not completely true. The individual DirectShow
filters that make up the converter will work with any card. I use
both the hacked and official versions on my x850, without the
CCC. And the official version on my x1600 pro for my HTPC,
with the CCC.

I also found the Avivo settings in the advanced CCC view.
They were all pretty self-explanatory. There is one of them
I've been using for a long time (the 720p setting) with my
projector. I just forgot where I had set it.

The Avivo converter download is a little hard to find, and
has been so for some time. It's part of the Parental controls
update download.

Luck;
Ken



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Old December 6th 06, 11:02 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
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Fidelis K wrote:
What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center
actually
do? If I change the setting, will it change the way, say,
Media
Player plays back various video clips?


I prefer to use "Let the app ..." where that is available. I
have enabled pull-down detection, tho. But I've not dabbled
with the controls sufficiently as to say they do or do not make
much of a difference.

BTW, I'm using the x1300 (near, or at, the bottom of ATI's
xpile) and only got that to experiment with the Avivo
converter - not entirely a waste of time but also not ready for
prime time; it's more like a toy actually!

When a non-PC neighbor asks to borrow a TV capture I might have
made, I can use the converter to produce an MPEG2 DVD compliant
file from my 12 mbps MPEG2 captures. However, this process is
only marginally faster than other software I already own - and
not fast enough to suggest to me that the GPU is employed.
Likewise, it does not support "squeezing" to values between 8
and 12 mbps, for those captures which are just a hair above 4.7
gigadecimals.


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Old December 6th 06, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
Ken Maltby
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Default Avivo Video?


"Bill's News" wrote in message
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Fidelis K wrote:
What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center actually
do? If I change the setting, will it change the way, say, Media
Player plays back various video clips?


I prefer to use "Let the app ..." where that is available. I have enabled
pull-down detection, tho. But I've not dabbled with the controls
sufficiently as to say they do or do not make much of a difference.

BTW, I'm using the x1300 (near, or at, the bottom of ATI's xpile) and only
got that to experiment with the Avivo converter - not entirely a waste of
time but also not ready for prime time; it's more like a toy actually!

When a non-PC neighbor asks to borrow a TV capture I might have made, I
can use the converter to produce an MPEG2 DVD compliant file from my 12
mbps MPEG2 captures. However, this process is only marginally faster than
other software I already own - and not fast enough to suggest to me that
the GPU is employed. Likewise, it does not support "squeezing" to values
between 8 and 12 mbps, for those captures which are just a hair above 4.7
gigadecimals.


If you were to use GraphEdit and access the property pages,
as I have suggested, you would find that for MPEG-DVD you
can set the average bit rate from 1.000mbps to 15.000mbps.
You can also set the VBR, Peak bitrate in the same range. If
you use the generic MPEG-2 standard you can set them from:
500.0kbps to 20.000mbps.

It does not use the GPU, at all, not with any cards.

If it is taking more than 10min to transcode a 42min TV capture
you must have something set wrong or some other issue slowing
the process.

It is still a toy because ATI doesn't support or improve on it's
current ability to apply quality improvements at the cost of some
speed. There could be the perfect compromise, but I just haven't
found it.

Luck;
Ken


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Old December 7th 06, 12:51 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati
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Default Avivo Video?

Ken Maltby wrote:
"Bill's News" wrote in message
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Fidelis K wrote:
What does the Avivo setting in the catalyst control center
actually
do? If I change the setting, will it change the way, say,
Media
Player plays back various video clips?


I prefer to use "Let the app ..." where that is available. I
have
enabled pull-down detection, tho. But I've not dabbled with
the
controls sufficiently as to say they do or do not make much
of a
difference. BTW, I'm using the x1300 (near, or at, the bottom
of ATI's xpile)
and only got that to experiment with the Avivo converter -
not
entirely a waste of time but also not ready for prime time;
it's
more like a toy actually! When a non-PC neighbor asks to
borrow a TV capture I might have
made, I can use the converter to produce an MPEG2 DVD
compliant file
from my 12 mbps MPEG2 captures. However, this process is
only
marginally faster than other software I already own - and not
fast
enough to suggest to me that the GPU is employed. Likewise,
it does
not support "squeezing" to values between 8 and 12 mbps, for
those
captures which are just a hair above 4.7 gigadecimals.


If you were to use GraphEdit and access the property pages,
as I have suggested, you would find that for MPEG-DVD you
can set the average bit rate from 1.000mbps to 15.000mbps.
You can also set the VBR, Peak bitrate in the same range. If
you use the generic MPEG-2 standard you can set them from:
500.0kbps to 20.000mbps.

It does not use the GPU, at all, not with any cards.

If it is taking more than 10min to transcode a 42min TV
capture
you must have something set wrong or some other issue slowing
the process.

It is still a toy because ATI doesn't support or improve on
it's
current ability to apply quality improvements at the cost of
some
speed. There could be the perfect compromise, but I just
haven't
found it.

Luck;
Ken


Thanks Ken, I had used GraphEdit for the Xvid-like, and
h264-like conversions (both of which proved unsatisfactory, as
you already know). Yes, I recall now having seen the settings
for MPEG2 DVD, but in abandoning the one project I simply forgot
about the other.

My mpeg4-ish conversions were in the order of 9 minutes - even
when the source and target were on USB2 drives. The conversions
to MPEG2 DVD (via the Avivo converter), so far I've done two,
were in the order of 16 minutes - tho the estimated time to
complete vacillates so wildly I may not have noticed the actual
time at completion.

I only assumed that the GPU was employed on the faster
conversions because the CPU overhead is lighter than pass one of
xvid conversions via conventional programs - VDub-MPEG2 for
example. I didn't bother to monitor the MPEG2 process via
Avivo, my objective was merely to produce a DVD and it did so a
tad quicker than software for which I paid separately.

Presently, I'm still doing xvid via FlaskMPEG. Quite
surprisingly this process utilizes the 2gHz AMD64-x2 by 512
(both core processors hitting 60% or more) much better than VDub
(which predominantly utilizes one core) and my pass one
conversions are running near 70 to 110 frames per second, while
pass two is 40ish or 25ish depending upon whether I enable B
frame VHQ. This is a significant increase over the 2gp4-512
which I had previously used to process these files - those
typically consuming 3x or much more of play time - and is nearly
twice as fast a VDub. This did not reveal itself on the older
CPU as the programs were CPU bound.

Using the widest search parameters, pass two drops to a mere 15
fps on the current equipment - but the result is spectacular.

If ATI ever gets serious about Avivo conversion, I'll try it
again - because some day I might need h264.

Oh BTW, my CPU utilization figures are influenced by the fact
that this PC I bought to experiment with Avivo has but one
internal drive and the other drives are USB2 - so it's natural
to be i/o bound on some of these processes.


 




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