Big Oops! Please help a newbie

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:32:37 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Matsonic Product
MS8308E Serial Number
00000000

Does this help at all?

This, if correct, does a little. This board officially only supports a
100MHz (200FSB) FSB. But it should do 133Mhz ok if the bios has that
option. Go into bios and see what the max CPU Freq you can set is. From
main bios, select CPU PnP Setup page. Set CPU speed to manual, user
defined or whatever, and then try and set CPU Freq to 133 to check.
Don't try booting with this with the Duron 1200, unless the Duron 1200 is
a C model. If you can set the CPU freq to 133, then try it with the 2600+
you got/get. If the cpu isn't locked, you would be able to even use a
100MHz FSB with it and set the multiplier to a max of 24x after changing
the default multiplier to 13 on it.

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On 21 Oct 2005 18:36:50 -0400, uddarts
wrote:

"" wrote:
I suspect it is the first one. MS8308E. I am unfortunatley
unable to
open the case until my friend opens it for me. A case of shaky
hands
I'm afraid., I have emailed the seller of the chip (which is
yet to
arrive) to ask about stepping and whther the chip is locked. I
believe
he did not have time to test it himself before selling it to
me.

Cheers
David

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:52:10 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:58:59 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:

"Mainboard"
Matsonic MS8308E
Chipset SiS 730 rev 02
Sensor IT 0

BIOS
American Megatrends v. 062710

Label on the computer box says axon IT Solutions


Looking on the Matsonic web site I got this information:-

MS8308E Series

Bios type: AMI TOP

030808.zip Date : 2003-08-08
instruction : MS8308EP(266) PCB Ver3.1 (FSB 266MHz),
Support AMD XP

010912.exe Date : 2001-09-12
instruction : MS8308E PCB Ver 1.1 , 1.2

8308-d.zip Date : 2001-02-27
instruction : MS8308D PCB Ver 1.1 (W/O LAN)

BIOS Flash Utility AMI Flash : aminf340.zip

The first board (EP) would be the best. Do you know which one
you have?
Model number should be on the board and rev. should be on
sticker on one
of the ISA/PCI sockets. All use the same ram. PC133 would be
best, but it
shouldn't matter as long as the 2600+ cpu isn't locked.

well i guess we have a little time.

when the new cpu xp2600 arrives check the numbers on it. you may need
plenty of light and good glasses. there is a line of numbers on it
that should look like:

AQXDA 0314 mpmw -- the middle set of numbers is what we are
interested in to determine whether it is unlocked. amd started locking
the chips arounc 0340.

i looked your board up and it is using the old sdram 168 pin. you will
need to buy some ddr 2700 or ddr 3200 184 pin. the price should be
about the same 3200 might be even cheaper.

check around for any board with cpu fsb 333 or 400.

when your friend opens the case have him look at the side of the psu,
so we know if it has enough power. give us the brand, model number and
what the amps are for the 3.3, 5 & 12volt lines. also have him look at
how much extra room the case has. your board is a micro atx. the case
may be big enough for a micro atx or full atx which would give you
more options.

do you have cd with windows?



ud

Hi!
Excuse the long post. I don't know if you still need any of the above.

OK, so I'm looking at buying some new memory for a start. That's not
too expensive.

I have a Windows XP home disk although the computer came with XP Pro
on it.

The chip arrived today. You are right about the small print.

AXDA2600DKV3D 9499385260052
AIUHB 0246WPBW
MADE IN MALAYSIA 1999

Cheers
David

PS: I asked the seller about steps and such and he said he did not
know anything more about the chip than what is on the case.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:38:22 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:32:37 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Matsonic Product
MS8308E Serial Number
00000000

Does this help at all?

This, if correct, does a little. This board officially only supports a
100MHz (200FSB) FSB. But it should do 133Mhz ok if the bios has that
option. Go into bios and see what the max CPU Freq you can set is. From
main bios, select CPU PnP Setup page. Set CPU speed to manual, user
defined or whatever, and then try and set CPU Freq to 133 to check.
Don't try booting with this with the Duron 1200, unless the Duron 1200 is
a C model. If you can set the CPU freq to 133, then try it with the 2600+
you got/get. If the cpu isn't locked, you would be able to even use a
100MHz FSB with it and set the multiplier to a max of 24x after changing
the default multiplier to 13 on it.

Oh dear. I got into the AMIBios CPU PnP. There were two items in the
list which were highlighted. However, I could not seem to change
either of them. I pressed return and up and down without effect.

List was
CPU Speed 1200
CPU ratio 1200
CPU frequency 100
DRAM frequency 133

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:28:04 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:

OK, so I'm looking at buying some new memory for a start. That's not too
expensive.

From the manual:

For this mainboard, you must use 168-pin, 3.3V unbuffered PC100
or PC133 SDRAM memory modules. You can install any size
memory module from 32 MB to 512MB, so the maximum memory
size is 2 x 512MB = 1GB.

You want PC133. Don't get PC100.

I have a Windows XP home disk although the computer came with XP Pro on
it.

The chip arrived today. You are right about the small print.

AXDA2600DKV3D 9499385260052
AIUHB 0246WPBW
MADE IN MALAYSIA 1999

You're in luck. This is an early model and should be completely unlocked.
I hope you have a decent CPU cooler. You need one with a copper base and a
minimum 70mm fan. If you don't have a decent one, get a TR2-M1 or -M3.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835106607

This cpu has a default multiplier of 12.5, so it will probably boot at
1250MHz when you install it and the bios probably won't let you go any
higher. Don't worry about that. That's easy to overcome with an easy
pinmod. Make sure it boots first and see if you can set the FSB CPU freq.
up to 133MHz in bios. What you do next will depend on that outcome. Should
be easy to get over 2000MHz out of it.

--
KT133 MB, CPU @2400MHz (24x100): SIS755 MB CPU @2330MHz (10x233)
Need good help? Provide all system info with question.
My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
Verizon server http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

"" wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:38:22 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:32:37 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer
Matsonic Product
MS8308E
Serial Number
00000000

Does this help at all?

This, if correct, does a little. This board officially only
supports a
100MHz (200FSB) FSB. But it should do 133Mhz ok if the bios
has that
option. Go into bios and see what the max CPU Freq you can
set is. From
main bios, select CPU PnP Setup page. Set CPU speed to
manual, user
defined or whatever, and then try and set CPU Freq to 133 to
check.
Don't try booting with this with the Duron 1200, unless the
Duron 1200 is
a C model. If you can set the CPU freq to 133, then try it
with the 2600+
you got/get. If the cpu isn't locked, you would be able to
even use a
100MHz FSB with it and set the multiplier to a max of 24x
after changing
the default multiplier to 13 on it.

Oh dear. I got into the AMIBios CPU PnP. There were two items
in the
list which were highlighted. However, I could not seem to
change
either of them. I pressed return and up and down without
effect.

List was
CPU Speed 1200
CPU ratio 1200
CPU frequency 100
DRAM frequency 133

as you said ebay is awash with all kinds of stuff. so you should take
your time and figure out what will fit your needs and budget. it’s
probably a good idea to get some idea of the end product, so we can
match up the right hardware as we go.

i would suggest 512mb 3200 memory. like i said earlier the price is
the same. now the choice is 1x512 or 2x256. motherboards are either
single or dual channel.

i found some measurements for micro cases and mini towers to compare
to what you have. if you can take a measurement of your case we might
be able to see if you need a micro atx or full atx motherboard. i’m
assuming yours is a tower case.

363 x 180 x 370 mm / 352mm x 180mm x 373mm (HxWxD) micro tower
423 x 190 x 435 / 540 X W 225 X H463 mini tower

another decision to make is to go with onboard video or buy a cheap
video card.

decisions, decisions, decisions, ah but that’s half the fun.


ud

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"" wrote:
Hi All!

Well, act in haste and repent at leisure goes the saying. I
guess I
proved it this month. Bit of a cautionary tale.

For two years I had a Celeron 1.8 with 60 Gig hard drive and
256 RAM.
I got a quality sound card and a network card. It wasn't
brilliant but
I was happy. Then we had a HUGE lighting storm over Cambridge
and my
computer went very funny. Music quit playing, my internet
connection
was up and down. Then the computer just quit starting up
altogether. I
needed a new computer or to repair the one I had.

My family were about to go away and they were concerned that I
would
not be able to communicate with them or be able to get the
computer
fixed without their car. I guess none of us were thinknig too
clearly
before the holiday. In haste I went with a friend to the local
car
boot sale. Usually the guy has a good stock of old computers.
This
time the fastest he had was a Duron 1.2. I bought it.

Since I bought my Duron I feel it is a little on the slow side
and
can't cope as well as the 1.8 Celeron. Music breaks up if
another
programme is activated. I don't recall that happening with the
Celeron.

I know little about the mechanics of computers or upgrading
but I
found out my computer is a socket A. So in a moment of madness
I went
on Ebay and found another, more powerful CPU which is socket A
compatible - an Athlon 2600. Unfortunately, having bought it,
I have
also found out that it is apparently not compatible with my
motherboard. Apparently you need different motherboards for
diffeent
CPUs. Also memory. I don't know what else.

Right at the moment I don't know what to do. I could really
use some
constructive advice (ie. not just yeah you made a total prat
of
things). I'm wondering if I should

attempt to repair my old Celeron (possible motherboard
replacement,
seing as we replaced the sound files, sound card and network
card and
it still collapsed again). Then flog my Duron computer.

live with my slow Duron 1.2 and put the Athlon chip back on
Ebay and
hope to get my money back (I paid £35 for it).

go on Ebay again and buy the extra bits I ned to get a more
powerful
computer (for under £75 cos I'm disabled - poor).

Is upgrading a really huge deal? Mum's partner is good at
putting
sound cards in, etc for me. Is it much more complicated to
put in a
new motherboard, memory chips? Ebay is awash with chips and
motherboards and whatever. Can someone offer any guidance as
to what
to get and how much I should expect to pay? Is there a
good/reasonably
priced make of motherboard? Are some memory chips better than
others?

I gather I would need a motherboard that does at least
everything my
Duron does:-

video to moniter
network card
my sound card I can bring over
256Meg RAM
2 hard drives (I brought my old one over because the Duron's
hard
drive is titchy at 20 Gig)
2 CD drives (inc a burner)
4 USB slots

If I get a motherboard with more bits do I need to get a
diffeent back
for my computer?

A thousand apologies for my total ignorance. This is all new
to me. I
bought a box from a shop and if the damned NTL had shielded my
network
card from the lighting I would have been happy surfing still.
Alas all
is misery, confusion and expense!

Any advice anyone can give would be very much appreciated.

Cheers
Dave

i ran across this motherboard that i think would be perfect for you.
micro atx, on board video, it has multiplier, voltage adjustments to
take advantage of the unlocked xp2600. if at a later time you wanted
to speed things up, you could buy a vid card and take advantage of the
200fsb. with the onboard video you need to stay with the 333fsb.

http://www.asrock.com/product/product_k7s41.htm#

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/asro...1/k7s41-g1.htm

i see they are listed on ebay and everything.


you could buy one stick of 3200 memory and add one later if you wish.
you would set the fsb for the cpu and memory to the insync 333/333.

you may need to get a better heatsink and fan for the cpu to over
clock but you could be up and running at stock speed.

there is a gx version that only has the 333fsb. in the long run it
would be better to get the one i listed at the top of the page. prices
seem to be near the same. below is a write up on the gx version and it
mentions the one above.

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/r...utsisvsvia0106


ud

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On 21 Oct 2005 18:36:50 -0400, uddarts
wrote:


i looked your board up and it is using the old sdram 168 pin. you will
need to buy some ddr 2700 or ddr 3200 184 pin. the price should be
about the same 3200 might be even cheaper.

check around for any board with cpu fsb 333 or 400.

when your friend opens the case have him look at the side of the psu,
so we know if it has enough power. give us the brand, model number and
what the amps are for the 3.3, 5 & 12volt lines. also have him look at
how much extra room the case has. your board is a micro atx. the case
may be big enough for a micro atx or full atx which would give you
more options.

My friend Neil says it is the biggest box of the three computers in
the house and should fit anything. It has seven slots.

i ran across this motherboard that i think would be perfect for you.
micro atx, on board video, it has multiplier, voltage adjustments to
take advantage of the unlocked xp2600. if at a later time you wanted
to speed things up, you could buy a vid card and take advantage of the
200fsb. with the onboard video you need to stay with the 333fsb.

http://www.asrock.com/product/product_k7s41.htm#

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/asro...1/k7s41-g1.htm

i see they are listed on ebay and everything.


you could buy one stick of 3200 memory and add one later if you wish.
you would set the fsb for the cpu and memory to the insync 333/333.

you may need to get a better heatsink and fan for the cpu to over
clock but you could be up and running at stock speed.

there is a gx version that only has the 333fsb. in the long run it
would be better to get the one i listed at the top of the page. prices
seem to be near the same. below is a write up on the gx version and it
mentions the one above.

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/r...utsisvsvia0106


ud

Would this motherboard be any good? It is about ten quid cheaper than
the other motherboard. As much as I would love to get an ass kicking
system I can't really afford much more than £50 for more bits.

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=58200

What I need from a motherboard is

video card (I surf the web and process family pictures. No games as I
have no reflexes).

256 Meg RAM
no sound card (I have my own Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card to ad in)
network card
connections for CD burner and two hard drives.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:47:47 GMT, Dave The Brain
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:38:22 GMT, Wes Newell
wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:32:37 +0000, Dave The Brain wrote:

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Matsonic Product
MS8308E Serial Number
00000000

Does this help at all?

This, if correct, does a little. This board officially only supports a
100MHz (200FSB) FSB. But it should do 133Mhz ok if the bios has that
option. Go into bios and see what the max CPU Freq you can set is. From
main bios, select CPU PnP Setup page. Set CPU speed to manual, user
defined or whatever, and then try and set CPU Freq to 133 to check.
Don't try booting with this with the Duron 1200, unless the Duron 1200 is
a C model. If you can set the CPU freq to 133, then try it with the 2600+
you got/get. If the cpu isn't locked, you would be able to even use a
100MHz FSB with it and set the multiplier to a max of 24x after changing
the default multiplier to 13 on it.

Oh dear. I got into the AMIBios CPU PnP. There were two items in the
list which were highlighted. However, I could not seem to change
either of them. I pressed return and up and down without effect.

List was
CPU Speed 1200
CPU ratio 1200
CPU frequency 100
DRAM frequency 133

PLEASE IGNORE THIS LAST MESSAGE I FIGURED OUT WHAT I WAS DOING WRONG
AND CAN ACTUALLY ALTER THE CPU FREQ AS SUGGESTED ABOVE

NOW ALL I NEED TO DO IS RESET THE WRETCHED KEYBOARD WHICH HAS DONE
SOMETHING ODD BECAUSE I HELD DOWN THE SHIFT KEY TOO LONG!

snip


NOW ALL I NEED TO DO IS RESET THE WRETCHED KEYBOARD WHICH HAS DONE
SOMETHING ODD BECAUSE I HELD DOWN THE SHIFT KEY TOO LONG!

I just found out that if you lean on the shift key for too long it
triggers some kind of accessiblity programme which turns on the shift
key unless you go into Control Panel and untick the disability
functions.

I'm disabled but triggering this accessiblity thing stopped me from
using my keyboard. You have to laugh!

Dave