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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or
that otherwise can't run XP? I'm thinking about EeePC, Aspire, and anything else running Intel Atom or maybe AMD Neo or Fusion, with a 10" screen. I'm looking at buying one (what-ever is still available at retail) and will want to wipe the drive and install XP on it, but don't want to get a nasty surprise about it not supporting all the internal hardware devices. Side question: Is there any netbook with a touch screen? |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
On 12 Jan 2012, PC Guy wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or that otherwise can't run XP? Yes, many. Or, at least, there are no official XP drivers. That started when Vista came out. I bought a Toshiba laptop at that time that only had Vista drivers on the site. That's true of many new models that were sold after Vista was released, and it's probably even more true now. It may be possible that some of those computers can actually run XP... but are you going to spend several hundred dollars to find out? I'm looking at buying one (what-ever is still available at retail) and will want to wipe the drive and install XP on it, but don't want to get a nasty surprise about it not supporting all the internal hardware devices. So, look at the manufacturer's support site and see what they have. |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
PC Guy wrote:
Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or that otherwise can't run XP? I'm thinking about EeePC, Aspire, and anything else running Intel Atom or maybe AMD Neo or Fusion, with a 10" screen. I'm looking at buying one (what-ever is still available at retail) and will want to wipe the drive and install XP on it, but don't want to get a nasty surprise about it not supporting all the internal hardware devices. Looking at it from the opposite direction as it were, the EEEPC 701 will run Windows XP, although you need to jump through some configuration hoops to persuade it that it's a good idea. The Samsung NC10 (Mine's from 2009) will also run XP, and all drivers are available on the website. I've got both here, running XP Home. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
On 13/01/2012 1:07 PM, PC Guy wrote:
Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or that otherwise can't run XP? I'm thinking about EeePC, Aspire, and anything else running Intel Atom or maybe AMD Neo or Fusion, with a 10" screen. I'm looking at buying one (what-ever is still available at retail) and will want to wipe the drive and install XP on it, but don't want to get a nasty surprise about it not supporting all the internal hardware devices. Side question: Is there any netbook with a touch screen? There are but they are called Pads or Tablets. Don't need a touchscreen when you have a keyboard/touchpad. -- Krypsis |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
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PC Guy wrote: Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or that otherwise can't run XP? I'm thinking about EeePC, Aspire, and anything else running Intel Atom or maybe AMD Neo or Fusion, with a 10" screen. I'm looking at buying one (what-ever is still available at retail) and will want to wipe the drive and install XP on it, but don't want to get a nasty surprise about it not supporting all the internal hardware devices. Side question: Is there any netbook with a touch screen? I only know a lot about the Asus EeePC 700 series. And they came with XP Home. Except for the 700 which only had 2GB SSD which is too small for a stock XP install. The 701 has 4GB and XP fits and all, but no room for updates. Now the 701SD and the 702 came with 8GB SSD which is plenty of room for XP and applications. Plus the SSD is replaceable so you upgrade it to a larger SSD if you wanted. None of them came with touch screens. Although there is at least one company selling touch screen kits for them (or did). I don't know much about them except I believe they plug into the webcam socket. So you give up your webcam. I know less about the EeePC 900 and 901. But they also came with XP and have 9 inch screens instead of 7 inch. Both have 4GB (or higher) SSD soldered in on the motherboard, but also have a second SSD that is replaceable. All of the above runs on a Celeron except the 901 which runs on an Atom. And I installed Windows 7 on one 702 once and it is so painfully slow, don't bother. As W7 ate 50% of the Celeron's power at idle. That's fine, but now try to do something useful. :-( -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
I'm interested in identifying the MOTHERBOARDS that will be able to
run my XP Professional. (desktop). I'm running an Abit, now out of business, with SATA drives, Intel 8400 and a BIG case. At present I can't see any reason to go Windows7 unless I can't find a replacement motherboard for XP when this one craps out. On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:02:53 -0500, Nil wrote: On 12 Jan 2012, PC Guy wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or that otherwise can't run XP? Yes, many. Or, at least, there are no official XP drivers. That started when Vista came out. I bought a Toshiba laptop at that time that only had Vista drivers on the site. That's true of many new models that were sold after Vista was released, and it's probably even more true now. It may be possible that some of those computers can actually run XP... but are you going to spend several hundred dollars to find out? I'm looking at buying one (what-ever is still available at retail) and will want to wipe the drive and install XP on it, but don't want to get a nasty surprise about it not supporting all the internal hardware devices. So, look at the manufacturer's support site and see what they have. |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
Nil wrote:
Have there been any netbooks made / sold that don't have XP drivers or that otherwise can't run XP? Yes, many. Or, at least, there are no official XP drivers. I think you are being confused by this invention of the "official" vs non-official driver. A driver exists, or it doesn't. That started when Vista came out. So, look at the manufacturer's support site and see what they have. What's printed on the side of a box is not necessarily hard reality. Can you give me an example of a netbook based on the Atom that is known to not fully support XP? (I mean, someone has actually tried to install XP on it - not just read what the manufacturer says about what is and is not supported). |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
Krypsis wrote:
Side question: Is there any netbook with a touch screen? There are but they are called Pads or Tablets. No. A tablet doesn't have - an integrated real physical keyboard - sometimes doesn't have USB ports - never has SDcard, ethernet or video out ports - the ability to connect an external mouse or pointing device - drivers for any version of windows - the ability to take it apart to change/add memory or hard drive Don't need a touchscreen when you have a keyboard/touchpad. Why would having a keyboard/touchpad and a touch screen be mutually exclusive? I think having a touch screen would make many netbooks easier to use. I've always hated touch pads - I always connect a mouse to the HP mininote I have when I want to use it. |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
BillW50 wrote:
Side question: Is there any netbook with a touch screen? I only know a lot about the Asus EeePC 700 series. And they came with XP Home. Except for the 700 which only had 2GB SSD which is too small for a stock XP install. The 701 has 4GB and XP fits and all, but no room for updates. I should add that any netbook I buy, I intend to take it apart to be able to get at the memory and hard drive to change those as I want. When I bought an HP mininote 2133 a few years ago, the only ones available had 4 gb ssd drive, 512 mb ram and came with SUSE. I opened the computer, swapped the SSD drive for a 160 gb conventional hard drive, and increased the ram to 2 gb. I pre-formatted and pre-loaded XP onto the drive before I installed it (I slaved the drive to another PC first to copy everything). I formatted the drive as FAT32 and put DOS 7.1 on it, so it had something to boot up with and then I ran the XP setup from DOS, and I kept the drive as FAT32 because it's faster than NTFS, and when the 2133 boots I have a choice to start XP or start in DOS. But even still, the Mininote is a drag because it's so slow (CPU is 1 ghz) even when running XP, even having 2 gb ram. The battery life is also pretty bad - less than 2 hours (this is a 3-cell battery I think). On any new netbook I buy, if it's Atom-based, I will not want it to be any slower than 1.6 ghz. And I would still install a drive that I have pre-formatted as FAT32 - but will probably have a second partition as NTFS only to store large multi-media files (over 4 gb) that are somewhat rare (I rarely have movies over 4 gb). I know less about the EeePC 900 and 901. But they also came with XP and have 9 inch screens instead of 7 inch. Both have 4GB (or higher) SSD soldered in on the motherboard, but also have a second SSD that is replaceable. Well, that sounds usable to me. I really don't want to spend more than $300. I think it's a crock that you can't buy these without an OS pre-installed. That would drop the price by $25 or $50 by not having Windblows 7 on it (which I would just throw away anyways). I'm looking at something called "chromebooks" which are netbooks running the chrome OS. Again, I'd do the same thing with them (rip out the drive and copy an XP installation image to it). Anyone know anything about those chromebooks? I think they come with integrated 3G - something that I'd rip out if possible to save battery power. As W7 ate 50% of the Celeron's power at idle. That's fine, but now try to do something useful. :-( What's faster - the celeron or the atom? |
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Any netbooks that *can't* run XP?
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PC Guy wrote: BillW50 wrote: Side question: Is there any netbook with a touch screen? I only know a lot about the Asus EeePC 700 series. And they came with XP Home. Except for the 700 which only had 2GB SSD which is too small for a stock XP install. The 701 has 4GB and XP fits and all, but no room for updates. I should add that any netbook I buy, I intend to take it apart to be able to get at the memory and hard drive to change those as I want. When I bought an HP mininote 2133 a few years ago, the only ones available had 4 gb ssd drive, 512 mb ram and came with SUSE. I opened the computer, swapped the SSD drive for a 160 gb conventional hard drive, and increased the ram to 2 gb. I pre-formatted and pre-loaded XP onto the drive before I installed it (I slaved the drive to another PC first to copy everything). I formatted the drive as FAT32 and put DOS 7.1 on it, so it had something to boot up with and then I ran the XP setup from DOS, and I kept the drive as FAT32 because it's faster than NTFS, and when the 2133 boots I have a choice to start XP or start in DOS. But even still, the Mininote is a drag because it's so slow (CPU is 1 ghz) even when running XP, even having 2 gb ram. The battery life is also pretty bad - less than 2 hours (this is a 3-cell battery I think). On any new netbook I buy, if it's Atom-based, I will not want it to be any slower than 1.6 ghz. And I would still install a drive that I have pre-formatted as FAT32 - but will probably have a second partition as NTFS only to store large multi-media files (over 4 gb) that are somewhat rare (I rarely have movies over 4 gb). I know less about the EeePC 900 and 901. But they also came with XP and have 9 inch screens instead of 7 inch. Both have 4GB (or higher) SSD soldered in on the motherboard, but also have a second SSD that is replaceable. Well, that sounds usable to me. I really don't want to spend more than $300. I think it's a crock that you can't buy these without an OS pre-installed. That would drop the price by $25 or $50 by not having Windblows 7 on it (which I would just throw away anyways). I'm looking at something called "chromebooks" which are netbooks running the chrome OS. Again, I'd do the same thing with them (rip out the drive and copy an XP installation image to it). Anyone know anything about those chromebooks? I think they come with integrated 3G - something that I'd rip out if possible to save battery power. As W7 ate 50% of the Celeron's power at idle. That's fine, but now try to do something useful. :-( What's faster - the celeron or the atom? Is purchasing a netbook used ok? Or does it have to be new? If used, you have a lot more choices. And forget those Asus EeePC 700s and 900s if you want to add a hard drive. As the ones with SSD on a card uses those PCIe type connections. I like SSD for netbooks because you don't have to worry about head crashes when you walk around with them and pick them up and set them down. Which is faster Celeron or Atom? I never had an Atom, so I really don't know. And the Celerons that are mostly used in EeePCs are 900MHz underclocked down to 633MHz (although you can clock them back up again). And with some tweaking, you can get them running pretty fast even at 633MHz. But I don't know any Celeron models that you can use a hard drive, so that is probably out. Asus originally sold netbooks only with Xandros Linux, but also came with XP drivers. Xandros isn't a free Linux, so you were actually paying for it like you do with XP. But it was about 40 bucks cheaper with Xandros than XP. But when netbooks with XP started to appear, nobody wanted the Linux machines and I think that is why they are hardly offered anymore. This tells you far more about EeePCs, see bottom: Asus Eee PC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EeePC -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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