Massive AMD Price Cuts: Yay!!

bingo, no not yet is why i even ask, so what's the deal right now? mobile,
45w? is anyone here still overclocking? i mean gawd damn what's this groups
name now? has it changed or something? naw, i know what's going on, i see it
all the time on alt, sheesh...

"John Whitworth" wrote in message
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"rms" wrote in message
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/19/amd_price_cuts/

What's this about discontinuing some XP-M models tho?

rms
Check the AMD site itself, and look in Processors - Processor Pricing.

The range is not nearly as diminished as that article suggests.

JW

wtf do you think i'm still running 32bit? and i know about microsucks bs drm
chips on inhells boards, it's just a matter of time before amd jumps, man, i
was there when they pushed a duron 700 to 1 gig, you new spew guys are fan
boys for damn sure...

"rstlne" wrote in message
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"Matt" wrote in message
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Joe_Z wrote:
that's what i'm afraid of, forced upgrading, ugh...

But they dont do enough reading to
know that Intel is going the same path and that Micro(take ur ass to court
to get all ur ****)Soft & Linux (neopolitan flavor) are supporting/will
support these chips.

Some users want to run dos 4.0 too and I guess they dont like being pushed

well, thanks, looks like i'll do better posting in alt.overclocking with the
intel boys, at one time they had there heads up there ass, times change i
see, hope you fan boys feel better real soon, dream on...

"Matt" wrote in message
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Steve Wolfe wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/19/amd_price_cuts/

What's this about discontinuing some XP-M models tho?


AMD wants to get rid of the 32-bit line in favor of the 64-bit line,
they've been saying that forever. They're just slowly whittling down
their
32-bit offerings to get to that point.

Newegg is as I write selling the 32-bit 2800+ Retail for $147 and the
64-bit 2800+ Retail for $141.

For most businesses in general a low cost work station is a pIII 700Mhz to
1000Mhz with SDRAM on a integrated motherboard. The software that is used
is in most workstations excluding CAD stations is generally two years to
three years old with Windows 2000 or Win XP (no SP2) OS. AMD business work
stations that I have seen consist of a 1700+ to 1800+ processor with 256 MB
of DDR 2100 on an integrated MB. There are a lot of businesses right now
that are holding computer cost to a minimum buying used parts or computers
because there software will run on the machine.

What I see right now is the engineering used on computer hardware has
advanced at an accelerated pace and software engineering has lagged behind
due to customer demands. AMD could be cutting there own neck by pushing
AMD64 Technology, as long as sales remain high as well as the price it will
be good for AMD. The market for the AMD64 has not yet been saturated. Once
the high end consumers complete there buying and AMD no longer has XP
versions available the price will have to be lowered and assuming Intel
knows this they could lower the price on there P4's forcing additional
pressure on AMD's pricing before the release of there new generation of
Intel processors, which they have put on hold for now.

I believe that until there is a need via software or server integration
there will still be allot of pIII in workstations around the country. Top
level management and engineering will always have the latest and greatest
systems but the majority of workstations go to the general worker who has
limited need for a AMD64 system or for a P4 system. (MS office 2002, a few
in house programs, possibly some type of older CAD programs) The same could
be said for the general house hold internet user, excluding gamers. Most
house holds have a low end P4 system or AMD XP system running windows 98 or
XP.

Just wait a year and pricing on the AMD64's will drop much more as the high
end market becomes saturated, the XP's become hard to find, and Intel
decides to release it's new processor technology. I believe that it would
be in the best interest of AMD to continue there line of high end and mobil
XP processors until Intel releases there next generation of processors and
AMD should continue to develop their server line of processors such as the
dual core technology. The game is not just pricing or technology but that
of a mind set. The pIII will have to be replaced in the next year or two
due to the availability of replacement parts and the AMD XP systems would be
a excellent price value replacement and the AMD will capture the mind set of
many potential workstation buyers, which is currently held by Intel.

"Chip" wrote in message
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"Matt" wrote in message
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Steve Wolfe wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/19/amd_price_cuts/

What's this about discontinuing some XP-M models tho?


AMD wants to get rid of the 32-bit line in favor of the 64-bit line,
they've been saying that forever. They're just slowly whittling down
their
32-bit offerings to get to that point.

Newegg is as I write selling the 32-bit 2800+ Retail for $147 and the
64-bit 2800+ Retail for $141.

From the point of view of building a new PC, anyone would have to be
*insane* to base it on a 32bit XP.

The only role for those chips nowadays is lowest-possible-cost workstation
to do email etc only. Anything else, should be 64-bit. Why? because its
no more expensive, the performance is as good or better (and will get
better still when 64-bit windows arrives) and its much more future proof.

***However***

The situation is a lot more difficult if you already have a decent 32 bit
PC. I would like to move to 64bit myself. I have a 32 bit XP running
2400MHz and its probably the weakest link in my system. (I have 2 x
Raptors in Raid0, a GF6800 running 440/1150MHz and 1 GB of ram.) Most of
the benchies I run come out real well on disk & graphics and only "fair"
on CPU.

But what cost for me to upgrade my CPU? Well to make it worthwhile, I
would have to go for perhaps an Athlon 3800 or above. I would need a new
motherboard. And a new heatsink and fan (and a good one too - I have a
decent Thermalright job at the moment). And maybe even another 1GB
registered memory if I went for an FX CPU. I am looking at perhaps $1,000
simply to give me a 30 ~ 40% CPU speed boost, and maybe an overall 10%
system speed improvement.

I can't possibly justify it.

Chip

"Joe_Z" wrote in message
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boy this group has changed, this was overclocking.amd, now it's deep
pockets.amd, get a grip man, like there's nothing but 64bit and ALL the
software for it now, sheesh, give me a break...


Sorry, what's your point?

"Chip" wrote in message
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"Joe_Z" wrote in message
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boy this group has changed, this was overclocking.amd, now it's deep
pockets.amd, get a grip man, like there's nothing but 64bit and ALL the
software for it now, sheesh, give me a break...


Sorry, what's your point?

Actually, don't bother answering. I just read some of your other posts.

Goodbye top-posting ******

plonk

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:25:06 +0100, Chip wrote:

But what cost for me to upgrade my CPU? Well to make it worthwhile, I would
have to go for perhaps an Athlon 3800 or above. I would need a new
motherboard. And a new heatsink and fan (and a good one too - I have a
decent Thermalright job at the moment). And maybe even another 1GB
registered memory if I went for an FX CPU. I am looking at perhaps $1,000
simply to give me a 30 ~ 40% CPU speed boost, and maybe an overall 10%
system speed improvement.

I can't possibly justify it.

Well, it's a proven fact that the dual memory of the 939 board doesn't
provide much of a boost in cpu's running at the same clockspeed. In fact ,
the 754 beats the 939 in some benchmarks. And while AMD is raising the PR
ratings up to a 4000+ for a 2.4GHz cpu with 1M cache over the 3800+ with
512K, it's all a PR numbers gane, In fact, an overclocked Sempron 3100+ on
a 754 board will perform within 90% of the the speed of the "new" 939
4000+. With a MB with a PCI lock, the Sempron overclocked to 2.5GHz
without even changing the default 1.4v (1.5v is the default for my A64
3000+) and put it faster than the 3700+. IMO 939 is not a viable option.
And a good 754 board (with PCI lock) and Sempron 3100+ can be had for
about $200. If you need 64bit, then one of the newer A64 2800+'s should do
about the same for about $20 more. FWIW, I run my A64 3000+ at 800MHz and
1.3v most of the time.

[root@wes2 wes]# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 15
model : 4
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
stepping : 8
cpu MHz : 799.935
cache size : 512 KB

[root@wes2 wes]# sensors
it87-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
VCore 1: +1.28 V (min = +1.12 V, max = +1.79 V)
VCore 2: +1.52 V (min = +1.41 V, max = +1.70 V)
+3.3V: +3.25 V (min = +2.98 V, max = +3.63 V)
+5V: +4.97 V (min = +4.49 V, max = +5.51 V)
+12V: +11.84 V (min = +10.82 V, max = +13.18 V)
-12V: -11.40 V (min = -10.83 V, max = -13.19 V)
-5V: -4.97 V (min = -4.54 V, max = -5.47 V)
Stdby: +5.03 V (min = +4.49 V, max = +5.51 V)
VBat: +3.15 V
fan1: 2311 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 8)
fan2: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 8)
fan3: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 8)
CPU Temp: +32°C (low = +15°C, high = +55°C) sensor = diode
M/B Temp: +28°C (low = +15°C, high = +40°C) sensor =
thermistor

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Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm

bingo, no not yet is why i even ask, so what's the deal right now? mobile,
45w? is anyone here still overclocking? i mean gawd damn what's this
groups
name now? has it changed or something? naw, i know what's going on, i see
it
all the time on alt, sheesh...

Go away troll....

dua, witspew... at least i have sometging to wank, change that kotex your
intelect is showing, fudge packer...

"Chip" wrote in message
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"Chip" wrote in message
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"Joe_Z" wrote in message
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boy this group has changed, this was overclocking.amd, now it's deep
pockets.amd, get a grip man, like there's nothing but 64bit and ALL the
software for it now, sheesh, give me a break...


Sorry, what's your point?

Actually, don't bother answering. I just read some of your other posts.

Goodbye top-posting ******

plonk

"Joe_Z" wrote in message
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bingo, no not yet is why i even ask, so what's the deal right now? mobile,
45w? is anyone here still overclocking? i mean gawd damn what's this
groups
name now? has it changed or something? naw, i know what's going on, i see
it
all the time on alt, sheesh...


I am afraid that in order to communicate with an international community you
will have to refrain from using whatever colloquialisms you would use when
talking to acquaintances in your locality and use English. This means
writing proper sentences and using words that can be found in a dictionary.

It seems highly likely that your attempts at trolling fail due to no-one
understanding what on earth you going on about.

for example, what does

"you new spew guys are fan boys for damn sure..." mean?
- Is this some sort of insult?

"dua, witspew... at least i have sometging to wank, change that kotex your
intelect is showing, fudge packer..."
- "dua"? "witspew"? "kotex"? - but "fudge packer" I have heard before

"times change i see, hope you fan boys feel better real soon, dream on..."
- fan boys again - still no idea what it means

"alt, sheesh..."? - not got a clue what you mean.