Hyper-Threading...just a gimic or worth it?

Have a nice day Roland.

"Roland Mösl" wrote in message
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I'm in the market for decent laptop for home use and have narrowed my
search
to the Gateway M350S.

You call this even a laptop ?!?
Are You crazy?

This is a pseudo "laptop" with a desktop CPU

One of the reasons is that's one of the few units I've
seen in my price range with an Intel P4 w/ Hyper-Threading technology.
Is
HT
worth this much consideration or am I placing too much weight on it?

A desktop CPU makes out of a laptop a worthless Pseudo "laptop"

In some of my benchmarks, a Pentium-M is even faster than the HT

I'll basically be using it for internet, email and digital editing (some
movie editing of home movies).

At editing, the Pentium-M is very fast.


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new, yes that is a destop CPU. However, that doesn't necessarily mean
you should avoid it. It depends on how you plan to use your laptop.

If you are buying the laptop to use primarily as a mobile computer and
battery life is important to you then you might want to look at a
model with a mobile processor.

OTOH, many people buy a laptop as a desktop replacement. They are
interested in small desktop footprint and an all in one unit that
occasionally can be used as a portable. To them processing power per
$ spent is more important than battery life. Most of the time they
use it at a desk plugged in. These laptops are generally heavier too
since they won't be lugged around much.

It's up to you to decide which is more important.

Dave

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 05:13:03 GMT, "newtothis"
wrote:

No, The Gateway M350S lists the Pentium 4 Processor 2.6 GHz with Intel
Hyper-Threading Technology (not the Celeron like you mentioned...unless I'm
missing something).

Is this Pentium 4 Processor a "desktop Processor" and if so should I make
sure to stay away from it in a laptop. If so why should I stay away?

Thanks again for all the help...

"Michael J. Astrauskas" wrote in message
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newtothis wrote:

Desktop processor? I might not be as informed as most of you so why
would
you say that. This processor is the one that comes standard in the
Gateway
M350S directly from Gateway.

It's the standard processor for this laptop so I couldn't imagine
Gateway
would make a mistake that big as to put a desktop processor in a
laptop???

A desktop processor is easy to spot. Besides the higher clock speed
(probably over two gigahertz) it won't have mobile in it's name, the
Pentium 4-M being an exception. The Pentium-M (*not* Pentium 4-M) and
Athlon XP-M are "mobile" processors. They have a little less power but
considerably better battery life. Battery life for a full fledged
desktop processor is 1-3 hours.

It seems the Gateway 350S uses a Celeron. I don't believe there is a
"mobile" Celeron, but I could be mistaken.

--
- Michael J. Astrauskas

P.S. Pardon the mass crosspost.

Dave, thank you for putting it in layman's terms. Many of this is over my
"not so techie" head. Like you said I do plan on using it as more of a
desktop replacement than a true mobile system. I will use it around the
house, so battery life isn't critical to me as I won't be traveling much
with this unit.

It sounds like the money I'll save vs. the better performance I'll get seems
like this unit will work out fine for me (vs. others in the same price
range).

Thanks again to everyone who has offered advice on this.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
new, yes that is a destop CPU. However, that doesn't necessarily mean
you should avoid it. It depends on how you plan to use your laptop.

If you are buying the laptop to use primarily as a mobile computer and
battery life is important to you then you might want to look at a
model with a mobile processor.

OTOH, many people buy a laptop as a desktop replacement. They are
interested in small desktop footprint and an all in one unit that
occasionally can be used as a portable. To them processing power per
$ spent is more important than battery life. Most of the time they
use it at a desk plugged in. These laptops are generally heavier too
since they won't be lugged around much.

It's up to you to decide which is more important.

Dave

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 05:13:03 GMT, "newtothis"
wrote:

No, The Gateway M350S lists the Pentium 4 Processor 2.6 GHz with Intel
Hyper-Threading Technology (not the Celeron like you mentioned...unless
I'm
missing something).

Is this Pentium 4 Processor a "desktop Processor" and if so should I make
sure to stay away from it in a laptop. If so why should I stay away?

Thanks again for all the help...

"Michael J. Astrauskas" wrote in message
newsYpKb.29258$i55.14156@fed1read06...
newtothis wrote:

Desktop processor? I might not be as informed as most of you so why
would
you say that. This processor is the one that comes standard in the
Gateway
M350S directly from Gateway.

It's the standard processor for this laptop so I couldn't imagine
Gateway
would make a mistake that big as to put a desktop processor in a
laptop???

A desktop processor is easy to spot. Besides the higher clock speed
(probably over two gigahertz) it won't have mobile in it's name, the
Pentium 4-M being an exception. The Pentium-M (*not* Pentium 4-M) and
Athlon XP-M are "mobile" processors. They have a little less power but
considerably better battery life. Battery life for a full fledged
desktop processor is 1-3 hours.

It seems the Gateway 350S uses a Celeron. I don't believe there is a
"mobile" Celeron, but I could be mistaken.

--
- Michael J. Astrauskas

P.S. Pardon the mass crosspost.

That's a good way to get your point across...attack and people will
listen???

This might not be a good choice for you and what you use laptops for, but it
could be for others. I'm looking for an inexpensive unit that will perform
decent. Battery life isn't important as I won't be traveling with the unit
much. I've chosen to get a laptop as I'd like the option to be able to pick
up and go on the rare occasion I need to. From what I've learned this unit
seems like it will be a good choice for ME (not everyone).

I was just looking for a little clarification on the processor subject.
Thanks again to everyone.


"Roland Mösl" wrote in message
y.telekom.at...
Desktop processor? I might not be as informed as most of you so why
would
you say that. This processor is the one that comes standard in the
Gateway
M350S directly from Gateway.

It's the standard processor for this laptop so I couldn't imagine
Gateway
would make a mistake that big as to put a desktop processor in a
laptop???

They do this to have for all the stupid uninformed people
something cheap with many GHz.

--
Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

newtothis wrote:

No, The Gateway M350S lists the Pentium 4 Processor 2.6 GHz with Intel
Hyper-Threading Technology (not the Celeron like you mentioned...unless I'm
missing something).

Is this Pentium 4 Processor a "desktop Processor" and if so should I make
sure to stay away from it in a laptop. If so why should I stay away?

I stand corrected. The Celeron is in the M305S, not the M350S. The
Pentium 4 you will find in laptops has a fairly high power consumption
and won't be able to stray from a wall socket for long. It will also run
hotter, which may not be a pleasant experience if you wish to use it on
your lap.

--
- Michael J. Astrauskas

Andrew wrote:

Yes, actually there is such thing as a "mobile Celeron". This is the one I have in my laptop:

http://www.intel.com/products/notebo...mobileceleron&

One key difference between the Mobile Celeron and the Desktop Celeron
is the mobile Celeron's larger cache, which probably reduces power
consumption as well as improving performance.

Thank you for the information.

Actually there's something new I hadn't even heard about: the
"Celeron-M" processor:

http://www.intel.com/products/notebo...roc_celeron_m&

Looks like Celeron-M is just a Pentium-M with a smaller cache.

Isn't that more or less typical of the Celeron line? As I understand it,
Celerons are usually a typical Pentium with less cache (and sometimes a
lower clock speed).

--
- Michael J. Astrauskas

new, yes that is a destop CPU. However, that doesn't necessarily mean
you should avoid it. It depends on how you plan to use your laptop.

Yes, If somebody is deaf, he does not hear the annoying fan


--
Roland Mösl
http://www.pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://web-design-suite.com Web Design starts at the search engine

In comp.sys.laptops Michael J. Astrauskas wrote:
: Andrew wrote:
: Looks like Celeron-M is just a Pentium-M with a smaller cache.

: Isn't that more or less typical of the Celeron line? As I understand it,
: Celerons are usually a typical Pentium with less cache (and sometimes a
: lower clock speed).

Yes, that is typical, but I wasn't aware that they'd planned a Celeron
version of Pentium-M. Because the big cache was supposedly one reason
Pentium-M could achieve good performance at a lower clock speed, I'm
curious what performance hit Celeron-M takes at the same clock rate.

Andrew
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In article lekom.at,
Roland Mösl wrote:

They do this to have for all the stupid uninformed people
something cheap with many GHz.

Nonsense. Manufacturers realize that you don't have a life, and do it
just to give YOU something to complain about. You should be grateful.
Be happy with your small laptop and let others be happy with their far
superior (for them) larger laptop choice. One size, as determined and
approved by Roland(tm), does NOT fit all.

I'm not sure you need HT. Video editing is the only app you mention that is
taxing. The best way to improve performance is RAM -- even 512MB can be
painful for video at times.

A second hard drive for temporary files, either during editing or encoding
/ rendering can make a big difference, if the app supports redirecting such
things to a second hard drive. Not having a lot of file writes to the same
volume that your RAM-hungry application is relying on for system swap space
(and the OS itself) is a big plus. That's not overly doable with a
laptop, so you're already talking about a performance compromise.

Finally, HT might help if you're MPEG-2 encoding a large movie. I haven't
tried it -- the systems we have at work for that sort of thing were bought
before HT was widely available, and the desktop I have in my office with HT
isn't used for video editing. The biggest benefit for me is that I rely
heavily on VMware virtual machines for my job, and it makes a big
difference for that.

On 1/5/2004 7:33 PM, newtothis wrote:
Hello all,

I'm in the market for decent laptop for home use and have narrowed my search
to the Gateway M350S. One of the reasons is that's one of the few units I've
seen in my price range with an Intel P4 w/ Hyper-Threading technology. Is HT
worth this much consideration or am I placing too much weight on it?

I'll basically be using it for internet, email and digital editing (some
movie editing of home movies).

Thanks in advance...