Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M Motherboard.

Issue: Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M Motherboard.

Setup: Two Identical Workstations
I have two workstations equipped with MSI MS-6738 Model KM2M motherboards,
both with Athlon XP 2400+ Socket A Retail CPUs, heat sinks and AMD cooling
fans. The retail heat sinks came with pre-applied heat sink compound, the
no pull tape version. These workstations are NOT overclocked. During CPU
and heat sink installation, great care was excercised to ensure that the
heat sinks were seated properly on each CPU per AMD retail pack published
specifications. Both ATX computer cases have front and rear mounted 80CM
CPU fans. Each machine has 2 hard drive/hard drive cooler fan assemblies
mounted in the 5.25" drive bays, pushing fresh air into the case. Overall
case air flow is in through three places in the the front and out the rear
mounted case fan and power supply.

On both machines MSI PC Alert 4, hardware monitoring software, shows the CPU
temperature as 58-62 Celsius with system temperatures of 25 Celsius. With
the cover off the side of the tower, CPU temperatures hover near 55 Celsius
with system temperature of 20 Celsius. When the MSI PC Alert 4
"Cooler XP" button is pressed the temperature does drop substantially, from
a typical 58-62 Celsius
down to 43 Celsius, when it is activated.

Question 1:
Are 58-62 Celsius temperatures considered normal for the AMD Athlon XP 2400+
CPU?

Question 2:
If the CPU temperatures that I am experiencing are too high, what additional
measures can be taken to reduce the CPU temperatures? Feel free to suggest
other heat sinks, fans or heat sink compounds that you have found beneficial
to use with the Athlon XP 2400+ Socket A CPUs.

Question 3:
What steps does MSI PC Alert 4, hardware monitoring software, take when the
user presses the "Cooler XP" button to reduce the CPU temperature? Is the
"Cooler XP" button initiating a slowing of the CPU clock?

Please post reply to this group for all to benefit.

Thanks in advance!
ML

my 2400 runs @ 58 when gaming - that's with case open and fan blowing in -
seems OK for one year now

sounds like the first temps were core temps and the second were surface
temps. my XP2000+ runs with 58degrees core temp and 39degrees surface temp
@2000MHz.
"ML" wrote in message
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Issue: Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M
Motherboard.

Setup: Two Identical Workstations
I have two workstations equipped with MSI MS-6738 Model KM2M motherboards,
both with Athlon XP 2400+ Socket A Retail CPUs, heat sinks and AMD cooling
fans. The retail heat sinks came with pre-applied heat sink compound, the
no pull tape version. These workstations are NOT overclocked. During CPU
and heat sink installation, great care was excercised to ensure that the
heat sinks were seated properly on each CPU per AMD retail pack published
specifications. Both ATX computer cases have front and rear mounted 80CM
CPU fans. Each machine has 2 hard drive/hard drive cooler fan assemblies
mounted in the 5.25" drive bays, pushing fresh air into the case. Overall
case air flow is in through three places in the the front and out the rear
mounted case fan and power supply.

On both machines MSI PC Alert 4, hardware monitoring software, shows the
CPU
temperature as 58-62 Celsius with system temperatures of 25 Celsius. With
the cover off the side of the tower, CPU temperatures hover near 55
Celsius
with system temperature of 20 Celsius. When the MSI PC Alert 4
"Cooler XP" button is pressed the temperature does drop substantially,
from
a typical 58-62 Celsius
down to 43 Celsius, when it is activated.

Question 1:
Are 58-62 Celsius temperatures considered normal for the AMD Athlon XP
2400+
CPU?

Question 2:
If the CPU temperatures that I am experiencing are too high, what
additional
measures can be taken to reduce the CPU temperatures? Feel free to suggest
other heat sinks, fans or heat sink compounds that you have found
beneficial
to use with the Athlon XP 2400+ Socket A CPUs.

Question 3:
What steps does MSI PC Alert 4, hardware monitoring software, take when
the
user presses the "Cooler XP" button to reduce the CPU temperature? Is the
"Cooler XP" button initiating a slowing of the CPU clock?

Please post reply to this group for all to benefit.

Thanks in advance!
ML

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:14:42 -0500, ML wrote:

Issue: Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M Motherboard.

Question 1:
Are 58-62 Celsius temperatures considered normal for the AMD Athlon XP 2400+
CPU?

Not at idle. The cooler should have had a plasic film over the heat pad to
protect it. Did you remove this before installing the cooler.? Personally,
I'd scrape the whole pad off and use thermal compound. It's a lot better.

Question 2:
If the CPU temperatures that I am experiencing are too high, what additional
measures can be taken to reduce the CPU temperatures? Feel free to suggest
other heat sinks, fans or heat sink compounds that you have found beneficial
to use with the Athlon XP 2400+ Socket A CPUs.

It could be the stock coolers are just crap (and probably are). You don't
need an expensive cooler. A TR2-M1 ($8) will do the job even overclocked.

Question 3:
What steps does MSI PC Alert 4, hardware monitoring software, take when
the user presses the "Cooler XP" button to reduce the CPU temperature?
Is the "Cooler XP" button initiating a slowing of the CPU clock?

Probably turns on stop grant. But just a guess. That allows bus disconnect
when cpu is idle, thus basically running the cpu at 0MHz most of the time
until you load it. Something like this.
[root@wes2 wes]# athcool stat
athcool version 0.3.0
enabling/disabling Athlon Powersaving mode

SiS 746[FX] (1039 0746) found
'bus Disconnect when STPGNT detected' bit is enabled.
[root@wes2 wes]# sensors
w83697hf-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
Algorithm: ISA algorithm
VCo +1.68 V (min = +1.42 V, max = +1.93 V)
+3.3V: +3.26 V (min = +3.13 V, max = +3.45 V)
+5V: +4.99 V (min = +4.72 V, max = +5.24 V)
+12V: +12.14 V (min = +10.74 V, max = +13.16 V)
V5SB: +5.05 V (min = +4.73 V, max = +5.24 V)
VBat: +3.37 V (min = +2.40 V, max = +3.60 V)
fan1: 4687 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)
fan2: 0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)
CPU: +32°C sensor = thermistor
MB: +32.0°C sensor = thermistor

This as a 2100+ overclocked to a 2700+ @2166MHz. Using an Vantec Aeroflow
cooler with added fan control on medium speed. Works good, but the TR2-M1
works almost as well and is a lot quieter since it uses an 80mm fan.

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html

Wes Newell wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:14:42 -0500, ML wrote:

Issue: Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M
Motherboard.

Question 1:
Are 58-62 Celsius temperatures considered normal for the AMD Athlon
XP 2400+ CPU?

Not at idle. The cooler should have had a plasic film over the heat
pad to protect it. Did you remove this before installing the cooler.?

Not the newer ones Wes, they don't have the plastic film, they have a clear
plastic cover on the bottom of the 'sink instead. I guess too many idiots
weren't removing the film so they changed the set-up.
--
~misfit~

In article , says...
Wes Newell wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:14:42 -0500, ML wrote:

Issue: Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M
Motherboard.

Question 1:
Are 58-62 Celsius temperatures considered normal for the AMD Athlon
XP 2400+ CPU?

Not at idle. The cooler should have had a plasic film over the heat
pad to protect it. Did you remove this before installing the cooler.?

Not the newer ones Wes, they don't have the plastic film, they have a clear
plastic cover on the bottom of the 'sink instead. I guess too many idiots
weren't removing the film so they changed the set-up.
--
~misfit~




Just installed a Thermalright SP-97 yesterday that had the peel off type plastic
film. Looks like they come both ways, depending on model and manufacturer.

Bill

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:09:29 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:

Wes Newell wrote:
Not at idle. The cooler should have had a plasic film over the heat
pad to protect it. Did you remove this before installing the cooler.?

Not the newer ones Wes, they don't have the plastic film, they have a clear
plastic cover on the bottom of the 'sink instead. I guess too many idiots
weren't removing the film so they changed the set-up.

Hope it can't be installed with it on. If it can, someone will:-)

--
Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html

Wes Newell wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:09:29 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:

Wes Newell wrote:
Not at idle. The cooler should have had a plasic film over the heat
pad to protect it. Did you remove this before installing the
cooler.?

Not the newer ones Wes, they don't have the plastic film, they have
a clear plastic cover on the bottom of the 'sink instead. I guess
too many idiots weren't removing the film so they changed the set-up.

Hope it can't be installed with it on. If it can, someone will:-)

LOL, too true. But, no. It's a large plastic cover that fits over the bottom
of the whole HSF.
--
~misfit~

Bill wrote:
In article ,
says...
Wes Newell wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:14:42 -0500, ML wrote:

Issue: Athlon XP 2400+ Socket "A" CPU temperatures on MSI KM2M
Motherboard.

Question 1:
Are 58-62 Celsius temperatures considered normal for the AMD Athlon
XP 2400+ CPU?

Not at idle. The cooler should have had a plasic film over the heat
pad to protect it. Did you remove this before installing the
cooler.?

Not the newer ones Wes, they don't have the plastic film, they have
a clear plastic cover on the bottom of the 'sink instead. I guess
too many idiots weren't removing the film so they changed the set-up.
--
~misfit~




Just installed a Thermalright SP-97 yesterday that had the peel off
type plastic film. Looks like they come both ways, depending on model
and manufacturer.

You're right Bill. However, in this case I was talking about AMD standard
HSFs that come with the boxed CPUs.
--
~misfit~

In article , says...
Bill wrote:

snip
Just installed a Thermalright SP-97 yesterday that had the peel off
type plastic film. Looks like they come both ways, depending on model
and manufacturer.

You're right Bill. However, in this case I was talking about AMD standard
HSFs that come with the boxed CPUs.
--
~misfit~




Heh. Teach me to stagger into the middle of a thread.

BTW, the SP-97 was replacing an SLK-800. Seems the tension in the latch had
weakoned to the point where the HSF would occaisionally pull away from the CPU
causing an overheat/shutdown situation. Gave me an excuse to replace the old
Asus Deluxe 1.6 board in it with an Abit NFS-7 2.0 at the same time.

Bill