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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:51:18 -0700
"wdsnews" wrote: Yes, you can. Then we agree. It's possible to turn on PC and let it sit. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. J., you're wrong. A screen saver is in effect and that info comes from a profile... the "Default" profile. In fact, all the local user policies are in effect, and all of them come from the Default profile. You're using "profile" differently from the rest of us. Now, have you actually tried to start a program with no user logged in by using the default profile? If so, what program and how do you know that it ran? "J.Clarke" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:04:15 -0700 "wdsnews" wrote: Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. Yes, you can. The logon dialogue will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is logged on and the default profile is in effect. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions, and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is insulting and completely unacceptable. If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base, that you make a fool of yourself. I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting my time. Lemme guess--you got an MCSE by taking a cram course? "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an
auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. The logon dialogue will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is logged on and the default profile is in effect. Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions, and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is insulting and completely unacceptable. If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base, that you make a fool of yourself. I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting my time. "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... |
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Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks
done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. You're wrong about that too. Any program set to auto-start in the default profile will run when nobody is logged on. Your anti-virus program and any program you want runs that way. Read some of these: http://www.google.com/search?q=copy+...8&start=0&sa=N You know, if you were simply wrong I could accept it. If you simply ignored my original question, I could accept it. If you were simply arrogant, I could ignore it. But you're all those things and... ....you belittle me, attack my character, and chastise me. Frankly, arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. It causes people to send messages like yours. "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... |
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I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating
systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. Did you catch that? I used those words or yours against you. Isn't that funny how your words apply more to your ignorance of default profiles than they do to me? It's called hypocrisy. Get it? You're not only arrogant and ignorant, but you're a hypocrite too! Isn't that funny? "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... |
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Take it to the alley the thread has reached an all time low
"wdsnews" wrote in message ... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing |
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Yes, you can.
Then we agree. It's possible to turn on PC and let it sit. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. J., you're wrong. A screen saver is in effect and that info comes from a profile... the "Default" profile. In fact, all the local user policies are in effect, and all of them come from the Default profile. "J.Clarke" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:04:15 -0700 "wdsnews" wrote: Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. Yes, you can. The logon dialogue will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is logged on and the default profile is in effect. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions, and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is insulting and completely unacceptable. If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base, that you make a fool of yourself. I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting my time. Lemme guess--you got an MCSE by taking a cram course? "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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You're so funny. It's not up to me to prove a negative. Since Tim made all
the assertions, the proof is up to him. You could click any one of the links from my Google search and learn about copying ntuser.dat to the default profile. But since you and Tim don't know anything about that, it's quite funny that you're calling me ignorant. The truth is Tim is wrong from his first message. You are not "required" to logon. Most off all, he's the one who is ignorant to start name-calling over such a silly issue. "J.Clarke" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:20:26 -0700 "wdsnews" wrote: Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. You're wrong about that too. Any program set to auto-start in the default profile will run when nobody is logged on. Your anti-virus program and any program you want runs that way. Nope. This is one of the most common questions asked about NT/2K/XP--"how do I run a program with no user logged on", and the answer is that you either run it through the scheduler or use the "run as service" utility included with the Resource Kit. The default profile is the one that is used to set up new users--when a new user is created he will have a copy of the default profile until his profile is altered. The default profile is not active when there is no user logged on. Read some of these: http://www.google.com/search?q=copy+...8&start=0&sa=N Yea, a lot about user profiles but I don't see anything there that supports your argument. If there's a particular page you have in mind perhaps you could provide a link? You know, if you were simply wrong I could accept it. If you simply ignored my original question, I could accept it. If you were simply arrogant, I could ignore it. But you're all those things and... ...you belittle me, attack my character, and chastise me. Frankly, arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. It causes people to send messages like yours. You are correct that arrogance and ignorance is a dangerous combination. So is pot kettle black. "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Oh JAD, you're so funny. Your perspective on the "all time low" makes me
laugh. Let me remind you about my first four messages that I continued to send even after Tim began making his accusations and insults. I said: Thanks for your advice. -- Thanks for your attention. -- I appreciate your help -- I appreciate your suggestion But after Tim continued with his insults, all the while ignoring my original question, it became clear what kind of an arrogant, ignorant, hypocrite I was dealing with. It seems people like him defend each other. "JAD" wrote in message ink.net... Take it to the alley the thread has reached an all time low "wdsnews" wrote in message ... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing |
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Thank you. That is a good question. I appreciate productive conversations.
If so, what program and how do you know that it ran? You'll see I gave very clear instructions in another part of this thread. But to answer your question here, you can tell the virus scanner is running by its log entries. You can power up & shut down without ever having logged on. "J.Clarke" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:51:18 -0700 "wdsnews" wrote: Yes, you can. Then we agree. It's possible to turn on PC and let it sit. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. J., you're wrong. A screen saver is in effect and that info comes from a profile... the "Default" profile. In fact, all the local user policies are in effect, and all of them come from the Default profile. You're using "profile" differently from the rest of us. Now, have you actually tried to start a program with no user logged in by using the default profile? If so, what program and how do you know that it ran? "J.Clarke" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:04:15 -0700 "wdsnews" wrote: Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... No. You're wrong. You can turn on a PC and let it sit. Yes, you can. The logon dialogue will continue to stay on the screen until you logon, or the screen saver or the stand-by mode takes effect. If you choose not to logon, then nobody is logged on and the default profile is in effect. Nope. Nobody is logged on and _no_ profile is in effect. Frankly, it does nobody any good for you to make accusations, assumptions, and bad suggestions while ignoring the original issue. You've been wrong from your very first message, and you're still wrong. You're attitude is insulting and completely unacceptable. If you were even a little bit correct in your assumptions or your replies then your arrogance could be understood. But you're so amazingly off-base, that you make a fool of yourself. I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. In other words, quit wasting my time. Lemme guess--you got an MCSE by taking a cram course? "Tim" wrote in message ... I appreciate your help, but please consider the possibility of "logging off" without "shutting down". Or consider simply turning on the PC and letting it sit without "loggin in". In such a situation, a profile is still in effect. A screen saver still runs. Schedules are still executed. The main difference is that the default profile is used instead of an assigned profile. Agreed, but YOU cannot run software in this state. Only scheduled tasks done with the Windows Scheduling service (AT) can be run in this mode. You have no access to Windows Explorer or the Start Menu for anyone. The only time someone is "required" to logon is if you want to use the computer for more than it will do by itself. For example, if I wanted to access the shared disk or printer of this computer from another computer, nobody would have to logon at the keyboard of this computer. In another example, if I wanted to change a schedule, I would have to logon. But if I simply wanted to record a show I had previously scheduled, I could simply turn it on and let it sit... assuming it were possible to share the user settings with the default profile. Just "letting it sit" I am assuming you are referring to an auto-logon process as discussed many many times on this thread. This is still logging on with some user name... I think you should do some reading up on Windows NT-Based operating systems. You obviously do not comprehend what I am trying to tell you, which is doing neither of us any good at this point in time. BTW, one of the registry keys to search for includes "ATI MMC". I've successfully set the admin's profile to put "ATI MMC" in a common folder. The time-shift file seems to be using the new folder. So now I'm wondering if there is an official document that tells us how to share the MMC settings with other profiles. Unfortunately, each new experiment seems to wipe-out my previous settings. I appreciate your suggestion for exporting and importing HKEY_USERS settings, but I don't want to share all profile info. I just want to share settings specific to the MMC 8.5. Then why not find the keys where the settings are stored and duplicate them only? Sorry, I can't exactly hold your hand while you do this one.... -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Personally this is potentially a very interesting thread as a valuable
question is being asked. Okay so there is some disagreement about default profiles and running programms outside the login process, but it does not need a flaming war. My question is that you refer to ntuser.dat for XP. I cannot find such a file on my xp set-up. Where is it? ACC |
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