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Monitor question
On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:11:03 -0400, Bill wrote:
| Here is an attempt to clarify my question: Can I use DisplayPort and | the output audio jacks on my GPU at the same time? | | BTW, I was found the Dell 4k Model S2721QS to be more inline with my | needs and budget. It's supposed to be around $340, but it's not | currently in stock anywhere. In case, anyone else is looking, at think | it's the "sweetspot" between price and features (if you don't require | USB jacks on your monitor). Sorry I can't answer that audio question. The last 27" 4K monitor I bought is an LG that I paid a bit less than $300 for at Amazon. I see the 27UL500-W is now $297, but it may lack some features you want. Larc |
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Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Here is an attempt to clarify my question: Can I use DisplayPort and the output audio jacks on my GPU at the same time? It occurs to me now that the audio jacks are on the mainboard, so this should be a no-brainer. It's curious how the GPU could even get the audio--maybe in a different application of the DisplayPort (i.e. in a different device)... Modern digital display standards have multiplexed audio in the stream. VGA was analog and doesn't have it. DVI is digital and doesn't have it. HDMI and DP have it. 8 channel LPCM (check Wikipedia articles for more details). There are Dolby options but nobody cared. With 8 channel Linear Pulse Code Modulation, there is no compression, just 8 channels in plaintext. Receiving devices (computer monitors with speakers, TV sets, TV sets with passthru soundbar) receive 8 channel LPCM. They don't need a license for it. No royalty to pay to Dolby. You select digital audio in the Windows playback options. The word "NVidia" might be involved (because we want the muxed audio to be on the video cable, not RealTek digital via SPDIF or TOSLink). You'd set the audio model to 2 channel audio, because the monitor has two speakers, and you want the mixdown, the head-model, to be used for any audio transforms. Your source material could be 5.1, and you want the sub signal to get mixed back into the two speakers, for a fuller sound. Computer monitor speakers usually suck. And the time I've taken to write this, is likely wasted. Your regular computer speakers, hooked to the 1/8" Line Out and friends, likely sounds better, because you can use ported amplified bookshelf speakers instead. For example, Skybuck had a 500W amp setup, with ten channels of Class D amplification, three channels in parallel driving the sub, seven other channels for the other speakers. Putting the 3W monitor speakers to shame :-) My setup is quite a bit less than that. To use the regular computer speakers, you use Analog Line Out and a setting of 2 channel stereo if you have two speakers. Etc. Popular audio models are 2.0 (stereo), 2.1 (stereo+sub), 5.1 (four+center+sub), 7.1 (six+center+sub). If you send computer ---- TVSet --- soundbar, then the audio model selected in Windows, would be whatever the soundbar model is. If the soundbar claims to be 5.1, then you'd set Windows to 5.1. The soundbar is going to sound better than typical LCD monitor speakers. No matter how you get audio, it's always over-priced. And the high-powered setups, like the one Skybuck used to have, they don't necessarily last, because the amp is placed inside the sub and it tends to "cook" for want of a better word. Even if the volume isn't turned up, the air inside the sub can be toasty warm. Amps really belong in their own cabinet (like my home-made one, it never gets even a little bit warm). Paul |
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:43:51 -0400, Paul
wrote: You select digital audio in the Windows playback options. The word "NVidia" might be involved (because we want the muxed audio to be on the video cable, not RealTek digital via SPDIF or TOSLink). You'd set the audio model to 2 channel audio, because the monitor has two speakers, and you want the mixdown, the head-model, to be used for any audio transforms. Your source material could be 5.1, and you want the sub signal to get mixed back into the two speakers, for a fuller sound. Computer monitor speakers usually suck. And the time I've taken to write this, is likely wasted. Your regular computer speakers, hooked to the 1/8" Line Out and friends, likely sounds better, because you can use ported amplified bookshelf speakers instead. For example, Skybuck had a 500W amp setup, with ten channels of Class D amplification, three channels in parallel driving the sub, seven other channels for the other speakers. Putting the 3W monitor speakers to shame :-) My setup is quite a bit less than that. NVida TOSLINK (and Alesis' involvement), the former possibly superceding beyond 'head-model' and dual-channel mixdown, which ubiquitously comes at least with inexpensive DAC converter modules for analogue output (to broadcast streaming and televisions now often equipped for TOSLINK). For comparative purposes by of course to soundboards so equipped, as with ASUS and their XONAR line-up. Although, certainly as a niche market, the DAC's consequent DSP-algorithm, ancillary components provided, knows no bounds to the "high-end fidelity" market, if not specialized engineering domain rebuilding them, or a top-tier of reviews for all the best, most expensive Coax DACs for equally high-end headphones. I'm merely bi-amping, if in a fashion rather blending, at 500-watts combined Class D and Class A/B. Yeppers, nothing cheap about Crown's XL-(X)00(X) DriveCore series, for some, engineered to blow the socks off a dance hall, except perhaps for the really decent price of mine -- the lowest model among, otherwise, a ton crap that tends break far too easily. A tradeoff, clearly, for upstage $10,000+ Thiel speakers at obscene efficiency ratings for only the best low-wattage tubed amps, no less exorbitantly priced. Yet still, at its lowest denominator of mid/side band stereo imaging, "hybridization for Head Modeling" for a (hm, decent) DAC, or DAC-s, (in a 1/4-plugged mixer-unit -- dismissing completely chained DSP intermediary signal-module software processing -- overall, being then quite up to and what comes beyond;- "hard amping" was never so spectacular as compared to and no less uniquely capable of augmenting a latter half of 20th. c. audio technology that was built to last. (Just without much personal empathy for Dolby iterations since, though.) |
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Paul wrote:
Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Here is an attempt to clarify my question:Â* Can I use DisplayPort and the output audio jacks on my GPU at the same time? It occurs to me now that the audio jacks are on the mainboard, so this should be a no-brainer.Â* It's curious how the GPU could even get the audio--maybe in a different application of the DisplayPort (i.e. in a different device)... Modern digital display standards have multiplexed audio in the stream. VGA was analog and doesn't have it. DVI is digital and doesn't have it. HDMI and DP have it. 8 channel LPCM (check Wikipedia articles for more details). There are Dolby options but nobody cared. With 8 channel Linear Pulse Code Modulation, there is no compression, just 8 channels in plaintext. Receiving devices (computer monitors with speakers, TV sets, TV sets with passthru soundbar) receive 8 channel LPCM. They don't need a license for it. No royalty to pay to Dolby. You select digital audio in the Windows playback options. The word "NVidia" might be involved (because we want the muxed audio to be on the video cable, not RealTek digital via SPDIF or TOSLink). You'd set the audio model to 2 channel audio, because the monitor has two speakers, and you want the mixdown, the head-model, to be used for any audio transforms. Your source material could be 5.1, and you want the sub signal to get mixed back into the two speakers, for a fuller sound. Computer monitor speakers usually suck. And the time I've taken to write this, is likely wasted. Your regular computer speakers, hooked to the 1/8" Line Out and friends, likely sounds better, because you can use ported amplified bookshelf speakers instead. For example, Skybuck had a 500W amp setup, with ten channels of Class D amplification, three channels in parallel driving the sub, seven other channels for the other speakers. Putting the 3W monitor speakers to shame :-) My setup is quite a bit less than that. To use the regular computer speakers, you use Analog Line Out and a setting of 2 channel stereo if you have two speakers. Etc. Popular audio models are 2.0 (stereo), 2.1 (stereo+sub), 5.1 (four+center+sub), 7.1 (six+center+sub). If you sendÂ* computer ---- TVSet --- soundbar, then the audio model selected in Windows, would be whatever the soundbar model is. If the soundbar claims to be 5.1, then you'd set Windows to 5.1. The soundbar is going to sound better than typical LCD monitor speakers. No matter how you get audio, it's always over-priced. And the high-powered setups, like the one Skybuck used to have, they don't necessarily last, because the amp is placed inside the sub and it tends to "cook" for want of a better word. Even if the volume isn't turned up, the air inside the sub can be toasty warm. Amps really belong in their own cabinet (like my home-made one, it never gets even a little bit warm). Â*Â* Paul Logitech stopped making their complex 5.1 systems over 10 years ago I think, and I got one at their clearance price (around $150). I didn't realize at the time that it was being discontinued. I learned that that the reason it was discontinued was that enough people aren't willing to wire their rooms to accommodate all the speakers. Not being a big bass fan, I have the (really big) sub-woofer turned down pretty low. I'm assuming that the amp is in the substantial control panel on my desk, I just checked and the control panel is warm, and the speakers are directly wired to it. If the sub-woofer were to die, I'd still be completely happy with the set up--to be honest it's way overkill. But when I listen to music, it fills the room. And you are correct, I have no plans to funnel all of this audio output into the DisplayPort. When I make my earlier post, I was in a state of wondering whether I had a choice about that. From your post, it seems apparent that I do. Now, just to wait for the monitor I decided on to be in stock somewhere...it turns out folks are using it (Dell S2721QS) for their game-stations... 3 days ago, I didn't even know what a DisplayPort was, so this investigation was educational! There's nothing like "standards" to keep one occupied. |
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Monitor question
On 3/15/2021 12:25 AM, Bill wrote:
I have a Asus Strix 750ti GPU.Â* It has 2GB of onboard video memory and uses 8GB of shared system memory.Â* According to its specifications, it can apparently handle 3840x2160 resolution. I have been happily running a monitor (Dell UltraSharp 2407wfp) at 1900x1200 native resolution. It's got about 12 years on it. I don't really do computing which pushes the video card harder than casual games. If I were to upgrade to a 4k monitor (3840x2160 resolution), would I likely be pleased or unsatisfied with the results? I thought I would provide an update based on my experience. I bought a 27" Dell S2721QS 4k monitor about two weeks ago. It worked fine for almost two weeks, but then it started "blinking" (once every 33-37 seconds). (An aside: What causes that?) Unplugging it seemed to provide a temporary fix (and I tried various strategies I don't wish to go into here), but after a few iterations of that I decided I better take advantage of Dell's 30 days "free return" policy while I had the opportunity to do so. That raises a new question. I am back to using my Dell 2407wfp which uses a"active matrix TFT" LCD, while the new Dell uses IPS LCD. The 12 year old 24" TFT display seem easily twice as heavy as the new 27 IPS display. I am tempted to say that there is something "warmer" about it too, sort of like comparing a vinyl record versus an mp3. Doing a bit of due diligence, I learned that the IPS LCD has advantages in power consumption, and speed, and viewing angle (and I suspect in manufacturing). But it seems to me that there is something to like about the TFT display too, but perhaps it is under-mentioned for the sake of marketing new products. The price I paid for each monitor was almost exactly the same, ~$350 (without adjusting for inflation), so in that sense, the newer one was a bit less expensive. It seems like all "popular" monitors have gone the way of IPS (or TN). Does anyone else like TFT monitors? Note: I realize the gamers like TN monitors for their speed, but I don't have any experience with them, so I can't comment. I was just curious about the "validity" of the (older) TFT technology. Or, you could tell me that I am "imagining things", but I'm not so sure! : ) I don't claim to be any sort of expert, and I haven't used a lot of different monitors. Cheers! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 05:21:05 -0400, Bill wrote:
The reviews vary, but are nonetheless a good point to start. Longevity, as broken, quickly tends level all and anything else, including non-replacement (on a 32" Sceptre I bought from Wallymart) having died, to the day, upon an expired replacement warranty. (Obviously, a firmware Wallymart issue.) Text quality. Gamers own it, although there may be an odd mention of someone who does read and possibly writes. Then there's a notion of coincidence, a given monitor selection and candidate just may provide from a clue, what is to be expected upon searching for overlap among like or exact brands offered in a retail storefront if available;- The empirical consideration of veracity: should one buy it elsewhere, maybe a less costly consideration will follow consistency, to be equal? I favor text, to suspect there's not much between verifying an impression my 32" Westinghouse is indeed as atrocious as it looks. Yet, does that entertain a notion, that by throwing multiples more money, over $100/US I paid for this 32" monitor, new and boxed, will reveal correspondence to a base appreciation black-&-white text then will supercede in the world of first-person gaming killers? Or might I let them sway me, say were a 32" $600 (popular gaming) monitor reduced to perhaps an additional $50 more than mine, sight unseen on a daring venture gamble? I do like seeing how the so-called pro-monitor still looks back to consider itself a computer component, likely to have the old SVGA connector, whereas a flatpanel Tee-Vee flatout will not. Dares, to me, are for whether if at all better than to expect disillusionment for not having thoroughly studied options among overriding concerns;- probably, foremost and well beyond a 30-day replacement warranty: Mine are fully 5-years, although a substitute means anything else, among all brand monitors, used-on-used not to discount additionally the one-timer claim. Text I cannot see apart from going into a storefront. The herd-immunity brandmakes, standard one-year factory warranty and readily identifiable for the most among reviews, may be my next replacement. Where HP or Dell may tend slightly above, (they do seem to attract more attention on periodic special sales), if not quite so commodious to bulked-out reviews. But that's where I said I'd start and, time permitted my monitor doesn't break this very second, to consider on a first strike-point into filtering for adaptability in those review numbers. Dells seldom show up in the lowest of such, as do ACER/ASUS 32", one of which seemed the better not too long ago, last I looked over a minimum display size I've seen approaching $200. |
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On 4/21/2021 11:51 AM, Flasherly wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 05:21:05 -0400, Bill wrote: The reviews vary, but are nonetheless a good point to start. The spent a lot of time reviewing. The monitor I mentioned was described, at least at one very extensive monitor-benchmarking website, as best in its class for my intended usage (mostly text). Since it offered the highest brightness (~350 candlepower), and since I have owned no other monitors other than ones made my Dell (i.e. I trusted them), I put it at the top of my list. A comparable one, probably without the "Dell Monitor Manager" software, which changes the monitor mode based of the application one is looking at, is apparently the LG-XXX850. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:25:52 -0400, Bill wrote:
The reviews vary, but are nonetheless a good point to start. The spent a lot of time reviewing. The monitor I mentioned was described, at least at one very extensive monitor-benchmarking website, as best in its class for my intended usage (mostly text). Since it offered the highest brightness (~350 candlepower), and since I have owned no other monitors other than ones made my Dell (i.e. I trusted them), I put it at the top of my list. A comparable one, probably without the "Dell Monitor Manager" software, which changes the monitor mode based of the application one is looking at, is apparently the LG-XXX850. Brightness as a text factor, that sounds useful to keep in mind even if only next time changing settings with this Westinghouse. Especially with time you've run with Dells, that well may be unacceptability a dropping-point to consider for likelihood among other offerings. This was a last minute replacement on a very bad Sceptre experience. I'd had earlier along a very nice "text-grade" monitor, no doubt brighter. A replacement, actually, as the first did fail thankfully within a year, perhaps refurbished or new on replacement model with the following year's new model number. Heavy as a cow for a flatpanel but it did run without issue for something along 15 years. As in smoothly, acceptable and an enjoyable experience -- what you mentioned about blinking subsequently after usage would certain blow at my cool. A monitor is the only thing besides, I do turn off on everything else on computers always on. But leaving a monitor on for say two weeks initial reliability testing may not help 9 months down the road if it craps out, which was my case prior to the 15-yr replacement model. Would you believe, and that was a monster of 32" for that old, tech, after I'd talked to them had me on the floor with the monitor face down and back removed replacing a boxful of swapout parts they sent with a thought that might initially solve the issue -- half the lower panel went into some sort of fixed kaleidoscopic pixelization, where as the top half displayed itself normally. Something less than encouraging to think to try on an old flyback transformer wrapped around the backside yoke of a CRT. ; |
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On 4/21/2021 6:04 PM, Flasherly wrote:
As in smoothly, acceptable and an enjoyable experience -- what you mentioned about blinking subsequently after usage would certain blow at my cool. Yes, it was temporarily "fixable" by powering down and restarting, but then you have the anticipation of when it is going to blink again. It reminded me of when my wireless router "died", behaving more or less the same way, but with only the first half of a blink... Cheers. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 4/21/2021 8:57 PM, Bill wrote:
On 4/21/2021 6:04 PM, Flasherly wrote: As in smoothly, acceptable and an enjoyable experience -- what you mentioned about blinking subsequently after usage would certain blow at my cool. One other observation. In my brief search, I just noticed that the (newer?) "touchscreen" LCD monitors are using "active matrix TFT" technology. As far as older monitors with TFT technology, it appears to be a "buyers market"... As you mentioned, gamers call the shots! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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