What are regulations for Easter trading? [OT]

wrote:

Would *you* get out of bed at 3am on Easter Sunday to go and make fresh
bread for £6 / hour? Or maybe go and sit on a till for 6 hours for £5.05
/ hour whilst everyone else is sat at home having a family meal?
Looking at it from your point of view what is so damn special about
having a family meal on Easter Sunday ? there are six other days in
the week when one can have " family" meals .

It applies equally to any Sunday of the year.

The other 6 days are usually taken up by the kids being at school or
partners working in Mon - Fri jobs.

From my point of view I would be quite happy to go back to the fifties
all shops closed from 5pm Saturday until 9 am Monday, pubs closed at
10.30 each night and all day Christmas day and even all the newsagents
closed for TWO weeks during our annual two week holiday fortnights
which we used to have up here in the Northwest .Oh yes not forgetting
hardly any crime due to having loads of coppers patrolling the streets
on their feet not sat in cars joy riding .

Sounds like a plan. Not too sure about the newsagents closing for 2
weeks, as the 2 week 'factory shutdown' doesn't really happen these
days.


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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:59:31 GMT, wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:55:20 +0100, Greg Hennessy
wrote:


That loan had nothing to do with lend lease. Labour borrowed the equivalent
of 50 billion at todays prices just after the war, which they then wasted
on nationalisation and welfare.
All credit to Blair and his gang of no hopers this is about the only
labour government that I can think of that hasn't had to come out due
to getting the country into serious debt thanks to their squandering
of the nations cash .

They've squandered our cash alright it's just George "HELPING THE
POOREST" Brown sold all our gold at the worst point just before it's
value went through the roof. Debt crises, runs on sterling etc will
come back as interest rates rise as they have started to do. I'd give
it 12 months.

Having said that it would now seem that Brown
has had second thoughts and I am wondering if the squandering millions
of pounds on Africa that he announced last week is the start of a mass
squandering of our money once again.

Not a cause for worry, they won't get it, it will turn out to be all
Bezzle, money anounced already time and time again for purposes of
spin-ology.

I did say when Blair first got
put into power he would have to come out due to running out of cash
maybe Brown is about to prove me right .

He's conned the public into generating turnover within the economy
themselves by spending money borrowed from abroad (on credit cards)
buying goods sourced dirt cheap from China/Asia and marked up 3,000%
here.

It will end in tears.

DG

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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:05 +0100, (SteveH)
wrote:


Nice reasonining. However, when the big supermarkets decided that they
were going to close down all the local bakeries, all the former local
bakery employees went to work for the supermarket, who, holding all the
cards, decided that £6 / hour was adequate for a skilled worker.
But that is over £200 a week just how much DO you want people to be
paid Steve .

Wow! A whole £200 / week for a skilled worker.

That's not even enough to pay the mortgage on a modest terraced house
these days.

Therefore, they're forced to work for £6 / hour.
There is only one thing that you are FORCED to do in this country
Steve and that is DIE you aren't even forced to do national service
any more which is a pity .

Well, they can either get £6/hour to bake bread, or go on the dole.
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:30:43 +0100 SteveH wrote :
I do plan my petrol needs - I *always* brim the tank on a Saturday
afternoon.

Very wise: according to an item last week's Working Lunch there are
now fewer filling stations in the UK than in 1912.

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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:22:21 +0100 Martin Underwood wrote :
I understand that when the present laws first came into effect,
supermarkets tried to co-operate in this way and were told that it
was not allowed: the law not only prescribes the number of hours
that they can be open but also the times of day when openeing is
permitted.

There's certainly nothing to stop one opening from 10-4 and another
from 11-5. I suspect that they've all fallen in line because no one
will take the risk of opening after the other and thus losing trade,
but with supermarkets I suspect that trade is business in the first
part of the trading period so staying open after your competitors is
less attractive.

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Mike Civil wrote:

In article ,
SteveH wrote:

In article ,
SteveH wrote:
They aren't. They're being exploited and forced to work.

And your evidence for this statement?

The fact that I've had people in my office explaining their contractual
responsiblility to work bank holidays and Sundays even if they don't
want to. Is that good enough?

Whoa there. So they didn't read their terms and conditions before signing
on the dotted line? I'll say again, where's your evidence for them being
exploited and forced to work?

Because, when you've been unemployed for several months, minor details
such as contract terms and conditions are insignificant compared with
the need to earn money to pay bills. Retailers are switched on to this
and have gradually, but steadily, been erroding the rights of junior
staff over the last decade or so.

Really? A cynic might say there's _plenty_ of opportunity for families
to get together - if they wanted to. However it's easy to pick something
(other than themselves of course) to blame. It's no different from your
statement about people being able to plan for shops being shut.

OK, so, for example, father works Mon-Fri in an office or factory,
8am-5pm. Mother works 3 evenings, 4-8pm, plus, for example, 12-4 on
Saturday and 12-4 on Sunday.

So (genuine question) why do the example parents have a family then if
they don't have any time at all to look after it (or expect society
to pick up the pieces)?

That's another debate, on the whole I'd agree that too many people have
kids.

I'm a railway employee, work irregular unsociable hours and am contracted
to be available for work on weekends and all bank holidays . My wife
works. Sometimes I don't see her for a whole week. But we still have a
loving and caring family life. It can be done.

I'd assume you get adequately compensated for such work? - ie. you're
not working for minimum wage and no premiums for unsociable hours? - in
which case, it's more than likely a decision you've made that the pay is
compensating you for the conditions. And yes, I'm not agruing that it
can't be done, but it does place a strain on lots of relationships,
especially where money is tight.


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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:01 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ,
Derek ^ wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:46:43 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ,
Derek ^ wrote:
The occasion might well have benefitted if we had been able to buy
fresh bread.

uk.d-i-y
Make your own?

BTDTGTTS

I've made some very good bread but can't rely on it turning out well
for a party of 10. To bake white and brown would also be very time
consuming.

Unless you have a bread machine it's actually easier producing a batch for ten
than for 2 - and a double batch is no real hardship.

It's the risk of having 9/10 relatives turn up for a celebration
dinner and it not turning out right.

To be honest I've found the breadmaker useless see my next post. Much
better to use a Kenwood Chef with dough hook and the very very best
quality breadmix., (Waitrose sell an Ozzzie one) but then there's all
the timing/rising/punching down.

DG

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:22:02 +0100, Derek ^
had this to say:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:59:31 GMT, wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:55:20 +0100, Greg Hennessy
wrote:


That loan had nothing to do with lend lease. Labour borrowed the equivalent
of 50 billion at todays prices just after the war, which they then wasted
on nationalisation and welfare.
All credit to Blair and his gang of no hopers this is about the only
labour government that I can think of that hasn't had to come out due
to getting the country into serious debt thanks to their squandering
of the nations cash .

They've squandered our cash alright it's just George "HELPING THE
POOREST" Brown sold all our gold at the worst point just before it's
value went through the roof.

I thought George Brown died many years ago...

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Tony Bryer wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:30:43 +0100 SteveH wrote :
I do plan my petrol needs - I *always* brim the tank on a Saturday
afternoon.

Very wise: according to an item last week's Working Lunch there are
now fewer filling stations in the UK than in 1912.

Erm..... I don't do it when in the UK.

We're talking about running out of petrol in France on a Sunday
afternoon, then having to persuade a local with a local debit card to
fill your car in exchange for cash.
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:03:09 GMT, wrote:

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:08:53 +0100, Derek ^
wrote:


The occasion might well have benefitted if we had been able to buy
fresh bread.
Buy yourselves a bread maker then and bake your own it is much better
than shop bought bread .


http://www.geocities.com/utility9danke/Bread.html


http://snipurl.com/pbd5

Opens a Google Groups thread in uk.food+drink.misc .

After buggering about with it for more than long enough I gave the
bloody thing away.

Ithink the contents of that thread are enough to indicate that results
are at best "Capricious".

DG