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Old January 7th 17, 09:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
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mike wrote:
On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC.
New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA)
But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the
master/slave settings?

Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments...

That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings.
Only one drive plugs into each connector.

The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE??
If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows
system.
I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA,
format SATA, restore.
There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you
format the SATA drive.


I'm beginning to suspect the model number is WD1600AVVS.

It has all the earmarks of being bought to match a
capacity point. It does 80MB/sec and has SATA II interface.
Modern consumer SATA drives are SATA III and do 200MB/sec
on the outer diameter of the drive.

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1995652.pdf

Knowing more about the application would not hurt.

Paul




Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes
are getting worse)
Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with:

http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151



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Old January 7th 17, 09:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:05:07 +0100, Linea Recta wrote:

Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes
are getting worse)
Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with:

http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151


The sata interface is on the left in that picture. It's power at the
very left then the data connector and the two rows of 4 pins are
jumpers.

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Old January 7th 17, 09:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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"Rodney Pont" schreef in bericht
hit.me.uk...
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:05:07 +0100, Linea Recta wrote:

Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes
are getting worse)
Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with:

http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151


The sata interface is on the left in that picture. It's power at the
very left then the data connector and the two rows of 4 pins are
jumpers.

--
Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/





After examining again it seems you may be right. I hope to continue tomorrow
and post the results here. Suppose I'm really getting blind :-(

thanks,

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Old January 7th 17, 11:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Paul[_28_]
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Linea Recta wrote:
"mike" schreef in bericht
news
On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC.
New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA)
But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the
master/slave settings?

Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments...

That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings.
Only one drive plugs into each connector.

The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE??
If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a
windows system.
I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA,
format SATA, restore.
There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you
format the SATA drive.




The dying drive is SATA (specs below)
I have IDE drives in the PC and also SATA drive.
At the moment I gave cloned the sick SATA drive to the other IDE drive
teporarily wirg Macrium Reflect. Bootibg is slow of course.


This is your old drive. This picture is upside-down. You can
see 15 contact power and 7 contact data. As well as a 1x4 block
of jumper pins (2mm centers).

http://www.494911.ru/products_pictur.../8130911_1.jpg

Your Farnell drive is similar. Fifteen pin power on left.
Seven pin data in center. 2x4 jumper block on the right.
(No Molex power connector to be seen.)

http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages...CS29151-40.jpg

*******

And samples of the jumper blocks are here.

http://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase...&lang=en&p=608

For a 2x4 block, the right-most position is equipped
if you need spread spectrum clock modulation. Normally
on a PC, you don't need a jumper there.

The second-from-the-left position is the "Force150" jumper.

SATA II drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA I cable rate --- your Farnell
SATA III drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA II cable rate
- Will *not* make a VIA 8237 work...

If you don't have one of the affected VIA chipsets or
PCI card controllers, then the Force150 is not needed.
Most chipsets auto-negotiate speed and reach the
highest common denominator speed setting without
human intervention.

Paul



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Old January 7th 17, 11:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
NIl
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On 07 Jan 2017, "Linea Recta" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my
damned eyes are getting worse)
Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing
with:

http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151


That's a standard SATA connector for data and power. From what I've
read, the extra pins are to enable manufacturer-specific features.
For normal use, they can be ignored.
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Old January 8th 17, 01:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
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Linea Recta wrote:
"mike" schreef in bericht
news
On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC.
New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA)
But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the
master/slave settings?

Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments...

That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings.
Only one drive plugs into each connector.

The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE??
If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows
system.
I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA,
format SATA, restore.
There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you
format the SATA drive.




The dying drive is SATA (specs below)
I have IDE drives in the PC and also SATA drive.
At the moment I gave cloned the sick SATA drive to the other IDE drive
teporarily wirg Macrium Reflect. Bootibg is slow of course.


This is your old drive. This picture is upside-down. You can
see 15 contact power and 7 contact data. As well as a 1x4 block
of jumper pins (2mm centers).

http://www.494911.ru/products_pictur.../8130911_1.jpg

Your Farnell drive is similar. Fifteen pin power on left.
Seven pin data in center. 2x4 jumper block on the right.
(No Molex power connector to be seen.)

http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages...CS29151-40.jpg

*******

And samples of the jumper blocks are here.

http://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase...&lang=en&p=608

For a 2x4 block, the right-most position is equipped
if you need spread spectrum clock modulation. Normally
on a PC, you don't need a jumper there.

The second-from-the-left position is the "Force150" jumper.

SATA II drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA I cable rate --- your
Farnell
SATA III drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA II cable rate
- Will *not* make a VIA 8237 work...

If you don't have one of the affected VIA chipsets or
PCI card controllers, then the Force150 is not needed.
Most chipsets auto-negotiate speed and reach the
highest common denominator speed setting without
human intervention.

Paul






OK, by now I've connected the new SATA drive and I'm (slow) formatting. Slow
format option because of thourough test.
Further mo the replaced SATA drive was a 80GB Maxtor. The new SATA drive
is a Western digital 160GB, green label (whatever that means)
Then I'm going to clone back Windows 7 partition to the new drive with
Macrium without changing partition size.
I'm aware plenty problems may be awaiting...


thanks for all replies.

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Old January 8th 17, 09:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Paul[_28_]
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Linea Recta wrote:

OK, by now I've connected the new SATA drive and I'm (slow) formatting.
Slow format option because of thourough test.
Further mo the replaced SATA drive was a 80GB Maxtor. The new SATA
drive is a Western digital 160GB, green label (whatever that means)
Then I'm going to clone back Windows 7 partition to the new drive with
Macrium without changing partition size.
I'm aware plenty problems may be awaiting...


thanks for all replies.


Macrium has the ability to "re-size" while cloning.

At the point where you select the "Destination" drive for
the cloning operation, use the "Next" button, then the "Back" button,
then look for the partition editing link at the bottom of the dialog.
You can select alignment, and stretch or shrink a partition.

It's not a replacement for a partition manager program, but it
will do a good job of adjusting the right-most partition on
your drive. For other kinds of adjustment situations, it
cannot move the origin of the partition. There are ways to
do that, but they do not benefit then, from some of the
other Macrium features. So I won't be describing any
methods that might not preserve OS boot capability.

A straight clone should be bootable when finished.
And if you need some amount of re-sizing or alignment,
you can do it in the dialog, after the "Next" and "Back".

Paul
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Old January 9th 17, 07:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Linea Recta[_2_]
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
news
Linea Recta wrote:

OK, by now I've connected the new SATA drive and I'm (slow) formatting.
Slow format option because of thourough test.
Further mo the replaced SATA drive was a 80GB Maxtor. The new SATA
drive is a Western digital 160GB, green label (whatever that means)
Then I'm going to clone back Windows 7 partition to the new drive with
Macrium without changing partition size.
I'm aware plenty problems may be awaiting...


thanks for all replies.


Macrium has the ability to "re-size" while cloning.



I know. But I don't want a bigger Windows boot partition because I want to
keep the Macrium images in future small. I now have the new 160GB drive
divided in two partitions op 80GB. (80GB was also the total drive size)
Furthermore the old 160GB IDE drive is still in use (reformatted, after
being used as temporarily clone) and now formatted as one large partition.
Of course all these drives may be regarded "small" and "slow" measured at
today's standards, but my intention is to keep this PC running at low cost.



At the point where you select the "Destination" drive for
the cloning operation, use the "Next" button, then the "Back" button,
then look for the partition editing link at the bottom of the dialog.
You can select alignment, and stretch or shrink a partition.

It's not a replacement for a partition manager program, but it
will do a good job of adjusting the right-most partition on
your drive. For other kinds of adjustment situations, it
cannot move the origin of the partition. There are ways to
do that, but they do not benefit then, from some of the
other Macrium features. So I won't be describing any
methods that might not preserve OS boot capability.

A straight clone should be bootable when finished.
And if you need some amount of re-sizing or alignment,
you can do it in the dialog, after the "Next" and "Back".

Paul




The system is running fine and booting "fast" compared to what it used to.
Tomottow I want to swap the nec DVD burner with a faster one I have on the
shelf.

Macrium has saved me loads of work and I think it's a great application!



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Old January 9th 17, 09:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Linea Recta[_2_]
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It seems a linux utility? I don't run or know anything about linux...
Running Windows 7.



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Old January 10th 17, 04:06 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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On 01/09/2017 02:29 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
It seems a linux utility? I don't run or know anything about linux...
Running Windows 7.


The DOS/Windows utility is called "wdidle3" and can be downloaded from
several sources. The Linux utility is called "idle3-tools".

The setting it changes in the drive is persistent across power cycles,
so you only have to use the utility once in the life of the drive.

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