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"Paul" schreef in bericht
news mike wrote: On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE?? If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows system. I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA, format SATA, restore. There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you format the SATA drive. I'm beginning to suspect the model number is WD1600AVVS. It has all the earmarks of being bought to match a capacity point. It does 80MB/sec and has SATA II interface. Modern consumer SATA drives are SATA III and do 200MB/sec on the outer diameter of the drive. http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1995652.pdf Knowing more about the application would not hurt. Paul Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes are getting worse) Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with: http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151 -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:05:07 +0100, Linea Recta wrote:
Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes are getting worse) Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with: http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151 The sata interface is on the left in that picture. It's power at the very left then the data connector and the two rows of 4 pins are jumpers. -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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"Rodney Pont" schreef in bericht
hit.me.uk... On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:05:07 +0100, Linea Recta wrote: Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes are getting worse) Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with: http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151 The sata interface is on the left in that picture. It's power at the very left then the data connector and the two rows of 4 pins are jumpers. -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ After examining again it seems you may be right. I hope to continue tomorrow and post the results here. Suppose I'm really getting blind :-( thanks, -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
"mike" schreef in bericht news On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE?? If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows system. I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA, format SATA, restore. There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you format the SATA drive. The dying drive is SATA (specs below) I have IDE drives in the PC and also SATA drive. At the moment I gave cloned the sick SATA drive to the other IDE drive teporarily wirg Macrium Reflect. Bootibg is slow of course. This is your old drive. This picture is upside-down. You can see 15 contact power and 7 contact data. As well as a 1x4 block of jumper pins (2mm centers). http://www.494911.ru/products_pictur.../8130911_1.jpg Your Farnell drive is similar. Fifteen pin power on left. Seven pin data in center. 2x4 jumper block on the right. (No Molex power connector to be seen.) http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages...CS29151-40.jpg ******* And samples of the jumper blocks are here. http://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase...&lang=en&p=608 For a 2x4 block, the right-most position is equipped if you need spread spectrum clock modulation. Normally on a PC, you don't need a jumper there. The second-from-the-left position is the "Force150" jumper. SATA II drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA I cable rate --- your Farnell SATA III drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA II cable rate - Will *not* make a VIA 8237 work... If you don't have one of the affected VIA chipsets or PCI card controllers, then the Force150 is not needed. Most chipsets auto-negotiate speed and reach the highest common denominator speed setting without human intervention. Paul |
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On 07 Jan 2017, "Linea Recta" wrote in
alt.windows7.general: Think you're right. I should have typed VV in stead of W. (my damned eyes are getting worse) Here's an enlarged picture of the "SATA" interface I'm dealing with: http://cpc.farnell.com/wd/wd1600avvs...ied/dp/CS29151 That's a standard SATA connector for data and power. From what I've read, the extra pins are to enable manufacturer-specific features. For normal use, they can be ignored. |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
news Linea Recta wrote: "mike" schreef in bericht news On 1/6/2017 1:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 01/06/2017 02:56 PM, Linea Recta wrote: I bought a cheap replacement for my dying system drive, in my old PC. New drive is refurbished WD1600AWS. (SATA) But before I start tinkering: I can't find any informatio about the master/slave settings? Got the feeling I'm a little behind with new developments... That's probably because SATA drives don't have master/slave settings. Only one drive plugs into each connector. The tone of the post suggests that the dying drive might be IDE?? If so, my experience is that you can't just swap in a SATA in a windows system. I've had good luck with sysprep IDE, backup, change to SATA, format SATA, restore. There may be SATA modes in the BIOS that need to be reviewed before you format the SATA drive. The dying drive is SATA (specs below) I have IDE drives in the PC and also SATA drive. At the moment I gave cloned the sick SATA drive to the other IDE drive teporarily wirg Macrium Reflect. Bootibg is slow of course. This is your old drive. This picture is upside-down. You can see 15 contact power and 7 contact data. As well as a 1x4 block of jumper pins (2mm centers). http://www.494911.ru/products_pictur.../8130911_1.jpg Your Farnell drive is similar. Fifteen pin power on left. Seven pin data in center. 2x4 jumper block on the right. (No Molex power connector to be seen.) http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages...CS29151-40.jpg ******* And samples of the jumper blocks are here. http://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase...&lang=en&p=608 For a 2x4 block, the right-most position is equipped if you need spread spectrum clock modulation. Normally on a PC, you don't need a jumper there. The second-from-the-left position is the "Force150" jumper. SATA II drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA I cable rate --- your Farnell SATA III drive - Force150 makes drive run at SATA II cable rate - Will *not* make a VIA 8237 work... If you don't have one of the affected VIA chipsets or PCI card controllers, then the Force150 is not needed. Most chipsets auto-negotiate speed and reach the highest common denominator speed setting without human intervention. Paul OK, by now I've connected the new SATA drive and I'm (slow) formatting. Slow format option because of thourough test. Further mo the replaced SATA drive was a 80GB Maxtor. The new SATA drive is a Western digital 160GB, green label (whatever that means) Then I'm going to clone back Windows 7 partition to the new drive with Macrium without changing partition size. I'm aware plenty problems may be awaiting... thanks for all replies. -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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Linea Recta wrote:
OK, by now I've connected the new SATA drive and I'm (slow) formatting. Slow format option because of thourough test. Further mo the replaced SATA drive was a 80GB Maxtor. The new SATA drive is a Western digital 160GB, green label (whatever that means) Then I'm going to clone back Windows 7 partition to the new drive with Macrium without changing partition size. I'm aware plenty problems may be awaiting... thanks for all replies. Macrium has the ability to "re-size" while cloning. At the point where you select the "Destination" drive for the cloning operation, use the "Next" button, then the "Back" button, then look for the partition editing link at the bottom of the dialog. You can select alignment, and stretch or shrink a partition. It's not a replacement for a partition manager program, but it will do a good job of adjusting the right-most partition on your drive. For other kinds of adjustment situations, it cannot move the origin of the partition. There are ways to do that, but they do not benefit then, from some of the other Macrium features. So I won't be describing any methods that might not preserve OS boot capability. A straight clone should be bootable when finished. And if you need some amount of re-sizing or alignment, you can do it in the dialog, after the "Next" and "Back". Paul |
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"Paul" schreef in bericht
news Linea Recta wrote: OK, by now I've connected the new SATA drive and I'm (slow) formatting. Slow format option because of thourough test. Further mo the replaced SATA drive was a 80GB Maxtor. The new SATA drive is a Western digital 160GB, green label (whatever that means) Then I'm going to clone back Windows 7 partition to the new drive with Macrium without changing partition size. I'm aware plenty problems may be awaiting... thanks for all replies. Macrium has the ability to "re-size" while cloning. I know. But I don't want a bigger Windows boot partition because I want to keep the Macrium images in future small. I now have the new 160GB drive divided in two partitions op 80GB. (80GB was also the total drive size) Furthermore the old 160GB IDE drive is still in use (reformatted, after being used as temporarily clone) and now formatted as one large partition. Of course all these drives may be regarded "small" and "slow" measured at today's standards, but my intention is to keep this PC running at low cost. At the point where you select the "Destination" drive for the cloning operation, use the "Next" button, then the "Back" button, then look for the partition editing link at the bottom of the dialog. You can select alignment, and stretch or shrink a partition. It's not a replacement for a partition manager program, but it will do a good job of adjusting the right-most partition on your drive. For other kinds of adjustment situations, it cannot move the origin of the partition. There are ways to do that, but they do not benefit then, from some of the other Macrium features. So I won't be describing any methods that might not preserve OS boot capability. A straight clone should be bootable when finished. And if you need some amount of re-sizing or alignment, you can do it in the dialog, after the "Next" and "Back". Paul The system is running fine and booting "fast" compared to what it used to. Tomottow I want to swap the nec DVD burner with a faster one I have on the shelf. Macrium has saved me loads of work and I think it's a great application! -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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It seems a linux utility? I don't run or know anything about linux...
Running Windows 7. -- |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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On 01/09/2017 02:29 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
It seems a linux utility? I don't run or know anything about linux... Running Windows 7. The DOS/Windows utility is called "wdidle3" and can be downloaded from several sources. The Linux utility is called "idle3-tools". The setting it changes in the drive is persistent across power cycles, so you only have to use the utility once in the life of the drive. -- Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42" |
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