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Winchester, Newcastle, Clawhammer - Socket 939 Athlon 64 3500+, whatis the difference in the chips?
Okay, I'm getting around to building a new system as my current one
(though it served me well for 5 years) has become hopelessly dated. I'm considering building an Athlon 64 based system, with the 939 socket as it looks to be the one with a future, going ahead and going PCI-E, and probably an Nforce4 ultra chipset as I had good luck with the Nforce2 chipset machines I built for others & very bad experiences with Via chipsets outside of the 600 series. I hope my luck with Nforce chipsets continues, but if there is any real negative to the Nforce4 I don't know about let me know, eh? Although the DDR sockets are a bit close together for my liking, I'm probably going to go with the MSI K8N-NEO4. I don't think the memory spacing will be much of an issue as I'll probably only put 2 512MB sticks in it. I can't see myself needing more than 1GB any time soon. Now the confusion. I'm looking at processors to put in it. There are some obvious differences in the cores and performance in the 754 versions of the Athlon 64, but they have become much less obvious in the socket 939 versions, and I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding accurate information. What exactly is the difference between the: Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939 64x64KB L1 512KB L2 Newcastle Core http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-460&depa=1 Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939 64x64KB L1 512KB L2 Winchester Core http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-494&depa=1 Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939 64x64KB L1 512KB L2 Clawhammer Core http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-514&depa=1 They all have the same .13 process, same cache, I assume they all have dual channel memory controllers as this was supposed to be a feature of the 939 socket. The only difference I see is the lower voltage of the Winchester (which I'm told is a slightly better overclocker than the Newcastle). Shopping around a bit I can get the Newcastle & Clawhammer for the same price (ZipZoomFly has the Newcastle with heatsink for the same price as Newegg has the Clawhammer). The Winchester is always a bit higher, so I assume it has to have some advantage over these two? If I have to pick between the Clawhammer & Newcastle for budget reasons, what is my best bet for performance? Going to AMD for information proved fruitless for me. Anyone know of any benchmarks comparing them or a chart of the differences between them? Any help sincerely appreciated, -Timbertea |
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I just asked almost this same question a couple of hours ago. I know
nothing about the clawhammer, but the Winchester is 90nm as opposed to the 130nm Newcastle. The links below were the two I was given: bottom line is that the 90nm runs cooler and when overclocked seems to run SLIGHTLY quicker, thus higher demand, thus high prices. http://www.bleedinedge.com/reviews/p...4/ap64_01.html http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...le.php/3453401 Timbertea wrote: Okay, I'm getting around to building a new system as my current one (though it served me well for 5 years) has become hopelessly dated. I'm considering building an Athlon 64 based system, with the 939 socket as it looks to be the one with a future, going ahead and going PCI-E, and probably an Nforce4 ultra chipset as I had good luck with the Nforce2 chipset machines I built for others & very bad experiences with Via chipsets outside of the 600 series. I hope my luck with Nforce chipsets continues, but if there is any real negative to the Nforce4 I don't know about let me know, eh? Although the DDR sockets are a bit close together for my liking, I'm probably going to go with the MSI K8N-NEO4. I don't think the memory spacing will be much of an issue as I'll probably only put 2 512MB sticks in it. I can't see myself needing more than 1GB any time soon. Now the confusion. I'm looking at processors to put in it. There are some obvious differences in the cores and performance in the 754 versions of the Athlon 64, but they have become much less obvious in the socket 939 versions, and I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding accurate information. What exactly is the difference between the: Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939 64x64KB L1 512KB L2 Newcastle Core http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-460&depa=1 Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939 64x64KB L1 512KB L2 Winchester Core http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-494&depa=1 Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939 64x64KB L1 512KB L2 Clawhammer Core http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-514&depa=1 They all have the same .13 process, same cache, I assume they all have dual channel memory controllers as this was supposed to be a feature of the 939 socket. The only difference I see is the lower voltage of the Winchester (which I'm told is a slightly better overclocker than the Newcastle). Shopping around a bit I can get the Newcastle & Clawhammer for the same price (ZipZoomFly has the Newcastle with heatsink for the same price as Newegg has the Clawhammer). The Winchester is always a bit higher, so I assume it has to have some advantage over these two? If I have to pick between the Clawhammer & Newcastle for budget reasons, what is my best bet for performance? Going to AMD for information proved fruitless for me. Anyone know of any benchmarks comparing them or a chart of the differences between them? Any help sincerely appreciated, -Timbertea |
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