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Old May 12th 05, 01:26 AM
Michael C
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
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Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for
them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost to
manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return on
their
massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to Windows XP,
in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are absorbed by
Microsoft
and are offered free to the consumer.


Did we ask them to spend billions rewriting an OS (win2k) that didn't need
it?

Michael


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Old May 12th 05, 01:50 AM
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:35:54 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
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Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost to
manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return on their
massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to Windows XP,
in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are absorbed by Microsoft
and are offered free to the consumer.



You must be joking.
Cost is relative.
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Old May 12th 05, 01:53 AM
kony
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:26:29 +1000, "Michael C"
wrote:

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Q. "How does MS justify that cost; maybe takes a quarter to make for
them?"

A. Microsoft spent billions of $$$ to develop Windows XP. The cost to
manufacturer the CDs is irrelevant since they expect a return on
their
massive investment. Also, ongoing improvements to Windows XP,
in the form of "Service Packs" and "hotfixes", are absorbed by
Microsoft
and are offered free to the consumer.


Did we ask them to spend billions rewriting an OS (win2k) that didn't need
it?

Michael


They didn't "rewrite" it for XP per se.
They tacked on a few new "features" and continued developing
the OS as planned.

The thing is that it WASN'T a "massive investment" to a
company making so much profit and it's quite possible for MS
to survive on their past profits without ever charging
another penny for software.
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Old May 12th 05, 02:12 AM
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kurttrail wrote:



Is it immoral to lie to a criminal, a conman, or to someone or something
that lie to you first?



I've said nothing about "morality." Please leave religion out of the
discussion, which was about trustworthiness and integrity.


While two wrongs don't equal a right,



Correct. But you should have place a period where you used a comma.


sometimes
one needs to think outside of the box to protect themselves from being
abused by disreputable devices of others.



So it's your contention that "thinking outside the box" requires one to
be dishonest? You must have a very limited imagination, if so.



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Old May 12th 05, 02:20 AM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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Either they lied or not, and either they are good to their word or not,
and any other interpretation is a subjective measure of their integrity.


Do you live in an imaginary world where everything is black and white? You
can have degrees of honesty.

Michael


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Old May 12th 05, 02:20 AM
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kony wrote:



At this point you're making a giant leap.
How many people do you know that reviewed and accepted the
EULA before there was any penalty involved in declining it?



By clicking the Agree button, these people have claimed to have
they've read and understood the EULA, and agree to its terms. If they
didn't, and then run afoul of those terms, they've no to blame but
themselves. If they've lied about this, then no doubt they'll feel no
hesitation about voiding the agreement.


Is that EULA even stated on the outside of the packing?



There is a statement on the outside packaging the use of the product is
governed by a license agreement. If people still purchase the license
without further investigation, they've obviously made their decision: to
abide by the license, sight unseen.


Myself and many others are aware of the need to review these
EULAs, but the average OEM system purchaser- I highly doubt
they agree to anything ahead of purchase time, except to pay
X amount for Y system.



Uniformed consumers have only themselves to blame. The information
necessary to make an informed purchased decision is readily available to
anyone with the initiative to seek it out.







This indicates quite clearly that this person's given word,
or signature on a contract, for that matter, cannot be trusted.



When did they give their word or sign the EULA?



The very first time they either installed the OS or booted a computer
with it pre-installed.




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Old May 12th 05, 02:26 AM
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In article ,
says...
Uniformed consumers have only themselves to blame. The information
necessary to make an informed purchased decision is readily available to
anyone with the initiative to seek it out.


My point exactly - ignorance is no excuse.


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