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120GB PATA drive changes model number
What would cause an old Western Digital PATA IDE 120GB drive to change its model name from WD1200BB-22FTA to WD1210CB-23-23FUA1 !!!!!!!!!! (exclamation marks given as part of the name)?
Also the maximum 48-bit LBA for the drive went from 234,441,648 to 72,058,693,783,997,360, and Paragon backup reported the drive's capacity at around 600GB. This happened with the drive connected to the motherboard's built-in PATA controller (Intel G-41 chipset) or a Silicon Image SiL680A PCI controller card. The drive seems to be back to normal now, with the original model number and LBA. |
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120GB PATA drive changes model number
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:44:55 +1100, Franc Zabkar
put finger to keyboard and composed: As you can see, there is an error in the first byte of each pair. The bit difference points to an error in the least significant bit. BTW, the bit difference between an ASCII space and an exclamation mark is also in the lowest bit, ie 0x20 and 0x21. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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120GB PATA drive changes model number
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What would cause an old Western Digital PATA IDE 120GB drive to change its model name from WD1200BB-22FTA to WD1210CB-23-23FUA1 !!!!!!!!!! (exclamation marks given as part of the name)? Also the maximum 48-bit LBA for the drive went from 234,441,648 to 72,058,693,783,997,360, and Paragon backup reported the drive's capacity at around 600GB. This happened with the drive connected to the motherboard's built-in PATA controller (Intel G-41 chipset) or a Silicon Image SiL680A PCI controller card. The drive seems to be back to normal now, with the original model number and LBA. Flaky firmware or a flaky interface. If you look closely, you find that every second character from a point on has been increased bu 1 form even to odd, i.e. consistent with a bit flipped from 0 to 1. The "!!!!" look like the terminating zero being changed to a 1. Capacity was likely mangled in a similar fashion. You should discard this drive. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans |
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120GB PATA drive changes model number
On Monday, October 22, 2012 1:44:56 PM UTC-7, Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:32:35 -0700 (PDT), put finger to keyboard and composed: What would cause an old Western Digital PATA IDE 120GB drive to change its model name from WD1200BB-22FTA to WD1210CB-23- 23FUA1 !!!!!!!!!! (exclamation marks given as part of the name)? Also the maximum 48-bit LBA for the drive went from 234,441,648 to 72,058,693,783,997,360, and Paragon backup reported the drive's capacity at around 600GB. It looks like a stuck bit on the IDE interface. The IDE interface is 16 bits wide, and each character occupies 8 bits. Therefore a bad bit would result in an error in alternate characters. WD1200BB-22FTA WD1210CB-23FUA ^ ^ ^ ^ 12121212121212 As you can see, there is an error in the first byte of each pair. The bit difference points to an error in the least significant bit. C:\debug -e 100 "WD1200BB-22FTA" -e 110 "WD1210CB-23FUA" -d 100 11f 100 57 44 31 32 30 30 42 42-2D 32 32 46 54 41 WD1200BB-22FTA 110 57 44 31 32 31 30 43 42-2D 32 33 46 55 41 WD1210CB-23FUA -q Therefore I suspect that DD8 (pin #4) in the IDE interface has a problem. I would reseat the IDE cable at each end, and I would examine the pin for a dry solder joint. Also examine the associated resistor. http://pinouts.ru/HD/IdeInternal_pinout.shtml Great explanation. I had been under the mistaken impression that parity or even ECC was sent along with the data and commands. Changing cables didn't help, so I feared the drive had failed (would be my first drive failure), but I think the problem was due to using the PCI drive controller for the hard disks and the motherboard's PATA controller for the CD drive, even with programs that didn't use Windows. Every PCI HD controller I've tried has revealed a quirk under some conditions. |
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120GB PATA drive changes model number
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
put finger to keyboard and composed: Changing cables didn't help, so I feared the drive had failed (would be my first drive failure), but I think the problem was due to using the PCI drive controller for the hard disks and the motherboard's PATA controller for the CD drive, even with programs that didn't use Windows. Every PCI HD controller I've tried has revealed a quirk under some conditions. I once had a strange case where DOS sound card software (SBINIT.EXE ?) somehow caused a particular bit to be dropped when accessing the HD. The HD was OK until the software was loaded by the AUTOEXEC.BAT file. This was the thread, but it appears to have disappeared from Google's archives: OPTi 82C931 sound card problems: http://groups.google.com/group/comp....4?dmode=source I never managed to properly resolve the problem. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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120GB PATA drive changes model number
Franc Zabkar writes:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:44:55 +1100, Franc Zabkar put finger to keyboard and composed: As you can see, there is an error in the first byte of each pair. The bit difference points to an error in the least significant bit. BTW, the bit difference between an ASCII space and an exclamation mark is also in the lowest bit, ie 0x20 and 0x21. Very nicely done. I don't know if I ever would have noticed that and diagnosed his likely problem. |
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120GB PATA drive changes model number
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:46:55 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
put finger to keyboard and composed: I don't know if I ever would have noticed that and diagnosed his likely problem. I spent a large part of my career chasing bad bits in digital logic. One of the first things I was taught was to compare the received and expected data. I guess it's second nature to me now. Actually, I have seen the OP's problem several times before, in several forums, and I've experienced it once personally. In fact I coincidentally encountered a similar question about 10 minutes before posting he http://forum.hddguru.com/galaxy2d-di...as-t24213.html - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. |
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