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overheating problem with AMD XP 3200+
I just replaced my old MOBO with a GA-7N400-L and anAMD XP 3200+. For
cooling I'm using a Copper Silent 2 from Arctic Cooling. After having reinstalled Win2k I checked the CPU temperature with the Gigabyte tool Easyconfig to see if there is some room to overclock this baby a bit. When idle the temp of the CPU was about 70°C and when running some apps (Prime95) it went up to 82°C. I couldn't believe the temperatures Easyconfig was telling me as the system was still stable and didn't freeze or shutdown. Anyway I checked the temps also in the Bios and with some other Tools (like SiSoft Sandra) and got about the same results. Opening the case and touching the metal of the cooler convinced me that I have a temperature problem. I noticed that parts of the case are getting quite hot too. To make sure it wasn't only the bad circulation of the air in the case I removed parts of the case which brought the temp down to about 65° when idle and about 75°C when running heavy apps. Still those temps are way too high, of course. The CPU was mounted on the socket by a technican where I bought the stuff and I'm not sure if he applied some gel or not to the CPU before mounting the Fan (I ordered some gel allready to fix that). The same guy did also not set the FSB jumper properly so the system showed "only" 1100Mhz when booting for the first time. So I'm not sure anymore if he knows how to handle this CPU and might as well have forgotten to apply the gel. An other point: I figured out that the core current of the Barton should be 1.65V. But my CPU seems to be receiving 1.69V ~ 1.75 V (depending on the Tool used to measure that). Could the higher current be the reason that I'm experiencing this overheating problems? I saw in the bios menu that I'm able to increase the current but there seems no option to bring the current down to 1.65V. Any ideas how to decrease the current? Anyway, what should I try to do to bring the temp down (beside applying som gel to the CPU and trying another fan)? In the mean time I will set the FSB down to 200Mhz in order to not destroy the system. Roman |
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Anyway, what should I try to do to bring the temp down (beside applying
som gel to the CPU and trying another fan)? In the mean time I will set the FSB down to 200Mhz in order to not destroy the system. Remove and inspect the HS/Fan assembly. There's an excellent chance it's either on backwards, not making proper contact, or has no thermal paste at all. |
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I recently upgraded my system to an XP3200+ and ever since I too have been
having severe overheating problems. I've got an Aerocool HT-101 HS on it with 2 fans on it, upgraded to a coolermaster Wavemaster case with a blowhole exhaust, rear exhaust, 2 intake fans and if I don't take the side off the case the damn thing gets too hot to touch! With Xnews running, Asus probe is currently reporting 51 degrees, but the moment I start to do anything or the screensaver kicks in or - God forbid - I try to play a game, then it'll hurtly up towards the high 60s (into the 70s with the side of the case on). I've built more systems than I could shake a stick at, so know what I'm doing with heatsinks and arctic silver 5 etc, and heat has never been an issue until this build. Ok, the Asus 9800XT and the Tagan TG480 psu kick out a fair old bit of heat too, but surely not so much that their use renders the system unusable through overheating? I've been looking for a solution to this and have yet to find one, so the best I can offer is the fact that you're not alone! Good luck. **remove n0spam to reply** |
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"Vormulac" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . 143.37... I recently upgraded my system to an XP3200+ and ever since I too have been having severe overheating problems. I've got an Aerocool HT-101 HS on it with 2 fans on it, upgraded to a coolermaster Wavemaster case with a blowhole exhaust, rear exhaust, 2 intake fans and if I don't take the side off the case the damn thing gets too hot to touch! Just the same with my computer. The upperside of the case gets real hot. Probably around 50°C to 60°C. The cooler (the metal part) gets a good deal hotter and can hardly be touched. I guess when the CPU runs at full speed (Prime95) the temp of that part is around 70° to 80°C. With Xnews running, Asus probe is currently reporting 51 degrees, but the moment I start to do anything or the screensaver kicks in or - God forbid - I try to play a game, then it'll hurtly up towards the high 60s (into the 70s with the side of the case on). I've built more systems than I could shake a stick at, so know what I'm doing with heatsinks and arctic silver 5 etc, and heat has never been an issue until this build. Ok, the Asus 9800XT and the Tagan TG480 psu kick out a fair old bit of heat too, but surely not so much that their use renders the system unusable through overheating? That's the funny thing about it. My system keeps absolutely stable even when the temperature went to 82°C (DIE temp of the barton is 85°C!) it didn't show any sign of overheating. Without the SiSoft Utility I wouldn't even know it's overheating as the overheating protection is disabled in the bios by default and I didn't get any warning nor did the CPU shutdown. But I'm pretty sure that running the computer over long time at such high temperatures will cause dammage not only to the CPU but also to the mainboard. Some of the capacitors on the MOBO are very close to the fan and it's probably only a question of time till they "melt" away. I've been looking for a solution to this and have yet to find one, so the best I can offer is the fact that you're not alone! I just noted that my fan is sucking and not blowing and I will change that now to see if that will improve things a bit. Otherwise I have to go for a watercooling system (although I don't like this idea). This computer was mainly intended to be a workhorse but it's only causing troubles so far ... Good luck. Thanks, same to you. If I figure out how to decrease the temp I will let you now. Roman **remove n0spam to reply** |
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"Vormulac" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . 143.37... I recently upgraded my system to an XP3200+ and ever since I too have been having severe overheating problems. I've got an Aerocool HT-101 HS on it with 2 fans on it, upgraded to a coolermaster Wavemaster case with a blowhole exhaust, rear exhaust, 2 intake fans and if I don't take the side off the case the damn thing gets too hot to touch! Just the same issue with my computer. The upperside of the case gets real hot. Probably around 50°C to 60°C. The cooler on the CPU (the metal part) gets a good deal hotter and can hardly be touched at all. I guess when the CPU runs at full speed (Prime95) the temp of that part is around 70° to 80°C. With Xnews running, Asus probe is currently reporting 51 degrees, but the moment I start to do anything or the screensaver kicks in or - God forbid - I try to play a game, then it'll hurtly up towards the high 60s (into the 70s with the side of the case on). I've built more systems than I could shake a stick at, so know what I'm doing with heatsinks and arctic silver 5 etc, and heat has never been an issue until this build. Ok, the Asus 9800XT and the Tagan TG480 psu kick out a fair old bit of heat too, but surely not so much that their use renders the system unusable through overheating? That's the strange thing about it. My system keeps absolutely stable even when the temperature went to 82°C (DIE temp of the barton is 85°C!) it didn't show any sign of overheating. Without the SiSoft Utility I wouldn't even know it's overheating as the overheating protection is disabled in the bios by default and I didn't get any warning nor did the CPU shutdown. But I'm pretty sure that running the computer over long time at such high temperatures will cause dammage not only to the CPU but also to the mainboard. Some of the capacitors on the MOBO are aso located very close to the fan and it's probably only a question of time till they "melt" away. I've been looking for a solution to this and have yet to find one, so the best I can offer is the fact that you're not alone! I just noted that my fan is sucking and not blowing and I will change that now to see if that will improve things a bit. Otherwise I might have to go for a watercooling system (although I don't like this idea) or just take the risk of running an overheated computer over some time and see how it turns out. This computer was mainly intended to be a workhorse but it's only causing troubles so far ... Good luck. Thanks, same to you. If I figure out how to decrease the temp I will let you now. Roman **remove n0spam to reply** |
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Absolutely no need to go to water cooling... With a well vented case (at
least one fan blowing in at the bottom and one out at the top) and a good quality heatsink (I recommend Thermalright) you should get very good temps with air. -- *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address***** "Roman Hartmann" wrote in message ... "Vormulac" schrieb im Newsbeitrag . 143.37... I recently upgraded my system to an XP3200+ and ever since I too have been having severe overheating problems. I've got an Aerocool HT-101 HS on it with 2 fans on it, upgraded to a coolermaster Wavemaster case with a blowhole exhaust, rear exhaust, 2 intake fans and if I don't take the side off the case the damn thing gets too hot to touch! Just the same issue with my computer. The upperside of the case gets real hot. Probably around 50°C to 60°C. The cooler on the CPU (the metal part) gets a good deal hotter and can hardly be touched at all. I guess when the CPU runs at full speed (Prime95) the temp of that part is around 70° to 80°C. With Xnews running, Asus probe is currently reporting 51 degrees, but the moment I start to do anything or the screensaver kicks in or - God forbid - I try to play a game, then it'll hurtly up towards the high 60s (into the 70s with the side of the case on). I've built more systems than I could shake a stick at, so know what I'm doing with heatsinks and arctic silver 5 etc, and heat has never been an issue until this build. Ok, the Asus 9800XT and the Tagan TG480 psu kick out a fair old bit of heat too, but surely not so much that their use renders the system unusable through overheating? That's the strange thing about it. My system keeps absolutely stable even when the temperature went to 82°C (DIE temp of the barton is 85°C!) it didn't show any sign of overheating. Without the SiSoft Utility I wouldn't even know it's overheating as the overheating protection is disabled in the bios by default and I didn't get any warning nor did the CPU shutdown. But I'm pretty sure that running the computer over long time at such high temperatures will cause dammage not only to the CPU but also to the mainboard. Some of the capacitors on the MOBO are aso located very close to the fan and it's probably only a question of time till they "melt" away. I've been looking for a solution to this and have yet to find one, so the best I can offer is the fact that you're not alone! I just noted that my fan is sucking and not blowing and I will change that now to see if that will improve things a bit. Otherwise I might have to go for a watercooling system (although I don't like this idea) or just take the risk of running an overheated computer over some time and see how it turns out. This computer was mainly intended to be a workhorse but it's only causing troubles so far .... Good luck. Thanks, same to you. If I figure out how to decrease the temp I will let you now. Roman **remove n0spam to reply** |
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"Roman Hartmann" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... I just replaced my old MOBO with a GA-7N400-L and anAMD XP 3200+. For cooling I'm using a Copper Silent 2 from Arctic Cooling. After having reinstalled Win2k I checked the CPU temperature with the Gigabyte tool Easyconfig to see if there is some room to overclock this baby a bit. When idle the temp of the CPU was about 70°C and when running some apps (Prime95) it went up to 82°C. I couldn't believe the temperatures Easyconfig was telling me as the system was still stable and didn't freeze or shutdown. Anyway I checked the temps also in the Bios and with some other Tools (like SiSoft Sandra) and got about the same results. Opening the case and touching the metal of the cooler convinced me that I have a temperature problem. I noticed that parts of the case are getting quite hot too. To make sure it wasn't only the bad circulation of the air in the case I removed parts of the case which brought the temp down to about 65° when idle and about 75°C when running heavy apps. Still those temps are way too high, of course. The CPU was mounted on the socket by a technican where I bought the stuff and I'm not sure if he applied some gel or not to the CPU before mounting the Fan (I ordered some gel allready to fix that). The same guy did also not set the FSB jumper properly so the system showed "only" 1100Mhz when booting for the first time. So I'm not sure anymore if he knows how to handle this CPU and might as well have forgotten to apply the gel. I disassembled the computer and checked if the CPU got some thermal paste applied. That all seemed fine and the fan/cooler was mounted properly too. To make sure that the fan which is blowing out the air of the case and is located near to the CPU isn't producing any "vacuum" and causing the CPU to overheat I took the mainboard completely out of the case and checked how the temp would change. Still the temp was around 65°C when the CPU was idle and up to 70°C when under heavy load. The metal part of the cooler seemed hot but can be touched without problem. It seems that the heat is brought away from the CPU well. I'm almost convinced now that the shown values (at least the ones for the CPU) are too high. A Bios upgrade didn't help to change that, though. The cooler which has it's own thermal diode applied on the cooler is running at around 1200-1500RPM when the CPU is idle (65°C) and at around 2600RPM when the CPU is under load (70°C). So it seems the electronic of the fan also thinks the CPU isn't _that_ hot. Anyway I will give it a try and run the computer for some more time at full speed to see if it's getting unstable. I checked the area around the CPU on the MOBO and not parts are getting more than handwarm so I think that only the CPU might fail. Additionally I ordered an other fan as well which should also suffice to cool AMD CPU's up to 3400+. I will see if it makes any difference using that fan. I will also reapply some more (I'm aware that more isn't better) arctic silver and see if it changes anything. An other point: I figured out that the core current of the Barton should be 1.65V. But my CPU seems to be receiving 1.69V ~ 1.75 V (depending on the Tool used to measure that). Could the higher current be the reason that I'm experiencing this overheating problems? I saw in the bios menu that I'm able to increase the current but there seems no option to bring the current down to 1.65V. Any ideas how to decrease the current? Anyway, what should I try to do to bring the temp down (beside applying som gel to the CPU and trying another fan)? In the mean time I will set the FSB down to 200Mhz in order to not destroy the system. Roman |
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Is your bios set at auto for cpu vcore?
This setting should set the correct voltage. Also you might try a cooler with a fan that is adjustable upto 5000rpm or even higher. With this cpu producing so much heat i think you need more rpm on the fan. The fact that the heatsink is hot to the touch means its making full contact with the die. So it appears the fan is not doing a good job or could be this type of cpu is just hot, If you can keep your finger for several minutes at the heatsink without getting too hot and the surrounding elements are not that hot either it could just be that your mainboard gives the wrong values and even the latest bios can fail to correct this. You are on the right track with detecting the autofan not getting faster then 2600rpm at full load,but is this the max rpm? I have auto fans in my psu and that is also a fine way to detect if my temps are getting higher,the fans will get real loud then. Finally you could make 2 holes in the sidepanel and fit 2 silent fans with fanguards.The more cool air from outside the better. "Roman Hartmann" schreef in bericht ... "Roman Hartmann" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... I just replaced my old MOBO with a GA-7N400-L and anAMD XP 3200+. For cooling I'm using a Copper Silent 2 from Arctic Cooling. After having reinstalled Win2k I checked the CPU temperature with the Gigabyte tool Easyconfig to see if there is some room to overclock this baby a bit. When idle the temp of the CPU was about 70°C and when running some apps (Prime95) it went up to 82°C. I couldn't believe the temperatures Easyconfig was telling me as the system was still stable and didn't freeze or shutdown. Anyway I checked the temps also in the Bios and with some other Tools (like SiSoft Sandra) and got about the same results. Opening the case and touching the metal of the cooler convinced me that I have a temperature problem. I noticed that parts of the case are getting quite hot too. To make sure it wasn't only the bad circulation of the air in the case I removed parts of the case which brought the temp down to about 65° when idle and about 75°C when running heavy apps. Still those temps are way too high, of course. The CPU was mounted on the socket by a technican where I bought the stuff and I'm not sure if he applied some gel or not to the CPU before mounting the Fan (I ordered some gel allready to fix that). The same guy did also not set the FSB jumper properly so the system showed "only" 1100Mhz when booting for the first time. So I'm not sure anymore if he knows how to handle this CPU and might as well have forgotten to apply the gel. I disassembled the computer and checked if the CPU got some thermal paste applied. That all seemed fine and the fan/cooler was mounted properly too. To make sure that the fan which is blowing out the air of the case and is located near to the CPU isn't producing any "vacuum" and causing the CPU to overheat I took the mainboard completely out of the case and checked how the temp would change. Still the temp was around 65°C when the CPU was idle and up to 70°C when under heavy load. The metal part of the cooler seemed hot but can be touched without problem. It seems that the heat is brought away from the CPU well. I'm almost convinced now that the shown values (at least the ones for the CPU) are too high. A Bios upgrade didn't help to change that, though. The cooler which has it's own thermal diode applied on the cooler is running at around 1200-1500RPM when the CPU is idle (65°C) and at around 2600RPM when the CPU is under load (70°C). So it seems the electronic of the fan also thinks the CPU isn't _that_ hot. Anyway I will give it a try and run the computer for some more time at full speed to see if it's getting unstable. I checked the area around the CPU on the MOBO and not parts are getting more than handwarm so I think that only the CPU might fail. Additionally I ordered an other fan as well which should also suffice to cool AMD CPU's up to 3400+. I will see if it makes any difference using that fan. I will also reapply some more (I'm aware that more isn't better) arctic silver and see if it changes anything. An other point: I figured out that the core current of the Barton should be 1.65V. But my CPU seems to be receiving 1.69V ~ 1.75 V (depending on the Tool used to measure that). Could the higher current be the reason that I'm experiencing this overheating problems? I saw in the bios menu that I'm able to increase the current but there seems no option to bring the current down to 1.65V. Any ideas how to decrease the current? Anyway, what should I try to do to bring the temp down (beside applying som gel to the CPU and trying another fan)? In the mean time I will set the FSB down to 200Mhz in order to not destroy the system. Roman |
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BigBadger spewed forth the following...
I just noted that my fan is sucking and not blowing Bingo! Loz H |
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