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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:37:50 +0000, S.Boardman wrote:
Just to update... I'm looking at 2 x Corsair CMX256A 2700LLPT Would that be OK? Low latency is programmed in the SPD, everything I have will cope, won't it? This ram is expensive and only rated for 166MHz bus. You can get PC3700 ram cheaper than this this. I'm using Buffalo PC3700 512M (Winbond) that I paid under $100 for. It runs 200MHz bus easily. And it will run CL2 at 166MHz IIRC. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:37:50 -0000, "S.Boardman"
threw a teddy out of the pram and bawled: "S.Boardman" wrote in message ... Time for more questions! Should I stick with PC2700, or should I go for the faster PC3100? CAS 2 or 2.5? Which brand (in UK), Corsair or Crucial? What about all the other little numbers I seen referred to? x-x-x-x? Running Win98SE, I'll probably stick to 2 x 256Mb, especially since the middle DIMM slot seems a little dodgey. Opinions please :-) Isn't Usenet great? -- Susan Just to update... I'm looking at 2 x Corsair CMX256A 2700LLPT Would that be OK? Low latency is programmed in the SPD, everything I have will cope, won't it? I'm running a Barton XP2600+ in an MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU, BIOS 5.7. RAM is 2 x 512 MB Kingston HyperX PC2700 CAS2 (in the UK). The RAM is set to SPD and detects correctly. FSB manually set to 166 MHz. Windows XP SP1. Although the mobo reports the CPU as a XP2500, it's running at the correct speed (1917MHz). I have no problems to report. -- Max Reheat () - deselect Part Throttle Reheat to reply. |
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"Wes Newell" wrote in message news On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:37:50 +0000, S.Boardman wrote: Just to update... I'm looking at 2 x Corsair CMX256A 2700LLPT Would that be OK? Low latency is programmed in the SPD, everything I have will cope, won't it? This ram is expensive and only rated for 166MHz bus. You can get PC3700 ram cheaper than this this. I'm using Buffalo PC3700 512M (Winbond) that I paid under $100 for. It runs 200MHz bus easily. And it will run CL2 at 166MHz IIRC. I thought Crucial or Corsair were the best. Of the two Corsair seemed to go into the most detail. I'm not going to be pushing my system *that* hard. You think I should go into DDR 400-odd and PC3000+ ? I'm not going to change this motherboard again, and don't the new ones need twin modules or something? I'm looking at the page (watch the wrap!) http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...cm9kdWN0U2Vhcm NoUmVzdWx0cw%3D%3D&cat_uid=3&subcat_uid=544 Which do you think? I don't mind paying 60 GBP for 256 Mb if it's not going to die on me! What about Corsair 256MB DDR XMS3200 32Mx64 NON-ECC 184 DIMM Unbuffered CAS2-2-2 32Mx8 DRAMS LOW LATENCY SPD Platinum Obviously I need it to work at 166/333, until I overclock it later. Are the faster modules backwards compatible? -- Susan |
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:06:23 -0000, "S.Boardman"
wrote: As for the instability, you do have the CPU multiplier still set to default, 11X ? It's on auto. Should I change it to 11? No, you could if you wanted, but 'auto' for that CPU should be 11x, just wanted to be sure that the CPU wasn't overclocked, was the source of the instability. Hello! Running memtest86 at the higher speed... test 4, 26 per cent done, 184 errors already! Time for new ram I think :-))) Time for more questions! Should I stick with PC2700, or should I go for the faster PC3100? CAS 2 or 2.5? Which brand (in UK), Corsair or Crucial? What about all the other little numbers I seen referred to? x-x-x-x? Running Win98SE, I'll probably stick to 2 x 256Mb, especially since the middle DIMM slot seems a little dodgey. Opinions please :-) Isn't Usenet great? "In general", any modern PC2700 should fun fine in your board putting a pair of modules in the first and third slots as you mentioned. The issue then would be how much you want to spend for a few % extra performance, and how high your target memory bus speed is. I wouldn't expect you can keep the board stable much over 185MHz FSB/Mem, but buying PC3200 or higher memory "might" allow reusing it in the future, just dpends on how long you're wanting to wait till you upgrade again, and even so you might have a similar issue as now, with the memory not entirely stable on a newer platform at higher speeds. On a KT333 board I have here, it's currently using a pair of cheap, practically free-after-rebate PC2700 modules (Kinston VR, K-Byte or something like that) at 174MHz CAS2.5. It's not my fastest system anymore so the better memory was reused in another board... after swapping in the cheap memory, confirming stability, I'd never notice the couple % performance difference in use. For single-system use and potential reuse later, I'd buy mid-grade PC3200, any name-brand you can get a good price on, but of course doing many more hours of memtest86 testing before trying to o'c. Dave |
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:57:51 +0000, S.Boardman wrote:
Obviously I need it to work at 166/333, until I overclock it later. Are the faster modules backwards compatible? Yes, you can use PC4200 if you want. But you can't use PC2100 and you may not be able to overclock PC2700 if you want to raise the bus up over 166MHz, although most will overclock a little. But if you decided to upgrade to an A64 system, PC2700 would not cut it, where PC3200 or faster would. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
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"kony" wrote in message ... On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:06:23 -0000, "S.Boardman" wrote: snip! "In general", any modern PC2700 should fun fine in your board putting a pair of modules in the first and third slots as you mentioned. The issue then would be how much you want to spend for a few % extra performance, and how high your target memory bus speed is. I wouldn't expect you can keep the board stable much over 185MHz FSB/Mem, but buying PC3200 or higher memory "might" allow reusing it in the future, just dpends on how long you're wanting to wait till you upgrade again, and even so you might have a similar issue as now, with the memory not entirely stable on a newer platform at higher speeds. On a KT333 board I have here, it's currently using a pair of cheap, practically free-after-rebate PC2700 modules (Kinston VR, K-Byte or something like that) at 174MHz CAS2.5. It's not my fastest system anymore so the better memory was reused in another board... after swapping in the cheap memory, confirming stability, I'd never notice the couple % performance difference in use. For single-system use and potential reuse later, I'd buy mid-grade PC3200, any name-brand you can get a good price on, but of course doing many more hours of memtest86 testing before trying to o'c. Dave I'm looking at Corsair, either CMX256A 3200LLPT or CMX256A 3200C2PT It is my understanding that the first one is more suitable for hardcore overclockers. Since I'm probably not going to push it that hard, can you confirm that the second one would be OK for me to get? What did you mean by 'mid-grade'? CAS 2.5? -- Susan |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:45:50 -0000, "S.Boardman"
wrote: I'm looking at Corsair, either CMX256A 3200LLPT or CMX256A 3200C2PT It is my understanding that the first one is more suitable for hardcore overclockers. Since I'm probably not going to push it that hard, can you confirm that the second one would be OK for me to get? What did you mean by 'mid-grade'? CAS 2.5? The second should be more than suitable for the fastest FSB speed your motherboard can run stable, though I have no idea if it'll run the fastest timings in that (or any particular) board. By mid-grade I simply meant name-brand memory, not generic, but not premium-priced either, since your motherboard itself won't be able to run stable at 200MHz (DDR400) there's no point in spending extra for memory that can, unless as i briefly mentioned in previous reply, you have hopes of reusing the memory some day... that's something I can't speculate about. I would "guess" that the average PC2700 memory sold today would work OK at the 174MHz FSB I previously suggested, but YMMV on that, certainly the PC3200 is more likely, guaranteed to work at 166MHz. If your motherboard sets the AGP bus as 1/2 of the FSB speed, the AGP (or USB) ports are likely where you'd see the first issues/problems from excessively high FSB speed. Dave |
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"S.Boardman" wrote in message ... snip Hello! Running memtest86 at the higher speed... test 4, 26 per cent done, 184 errors already! Time for new ram I think :-))) Just out of curiosity have you tried each stick separately - just so you know which one (if not both) has a problem - and to eliminate the outside chance that it might be your board taking issue if they both check out fine at 166. Also why not consider a single pc3200 512Mb stick - some report that a single 512 stick overclocks slightly faster than two 256mb on a KT chipset - and it might be more future proof than the smaller modules. |
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"Hippy Paul" wrote in message ... "S.Boardman" wrote in message ... snip Hello! Running memtest86 at the higher speed... test 4, 26 per cent done, 184 errors already! Time for new ram I think :-))) Just out of curiosity have you tried each stick separately - just so you know which one (if not both) has a problem - and to eliminate the outside chance that it might be your board taking issue if they both check out fine at 166. Also why not consider a single pc3200 512Mb stick - some report that a single 512 stick overclocks slightly faster than two 256mb on a KT chipset - and it might be more future proof than the smaller modules. I've had problems in the past with memory, and I thought I'd nailed it to one of the sticks. Then I downloaded memtest and it passed, no problems. I put it back in the machine (after ruling out slot 2) and it seemed fine. Although it should work at 166/333 I don't think it's very good quality. Having Win98SE 512Mb is my limit, right? I figure if the memory is going to go, at least I'd have the other to fall back on. That said, Corsair should be pretty safe, and if I have another go at memsafe on the PC2700 sticks I might have one of those to fall back on. I think you're right, I'll get a single stick :-) -- Susan |
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"kony" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:45:50 -0000, "S.Boardman" wrote: I'm looking at Corsair, either CMX256A 3200LLPT or CMX256A 3200C2PT It is my understanding that the first one is more suitable for hardcore overclockers. Since I'm probably not going to push it that hard, can you confirm that the second one would be OK for me to get? What did you mean by 'mid-grade'? CAS 2.5? The second should be more than suitable for the fastest FSB speed your motherboard can run stable, though I have no idea if it'll run the fastest timings in that (or any particular) board. By mid-grade I simply meant name-brand memory, not generic, but not premium-priced either, since your motherboard itself won't be able to run stable at 200MHz (DDR400) there's no point in spending extra for memory that can, unless as i briefly mentioned in previous reply, you have hopes of reusing the memory some day... that's something I can't speculate about. I would "guess" that the average PC2700 memory sold today would work OK at the 174MHz FSB I previously suggested, but YMMV on that, certainly the PC3200 is more likely, guaranteed to work at 166MHz. If your motherboard sets the AGP bus as 1/2 of the FSB speed, the AGP (or USB) ports are likely where you'd see the first issues/problems from excessively high FSB speed. Dave I stick with the second option, as a single stick. The motherboard supports USB2, the only USB item I have is a scanner I connect rarely. I'm aware that I might have problems with the video card though. I don't have a newer one to swap out to check it. Mine's a GeForce 4 MX. It's turning out expensive... I only started with a dodgey fan! :-) -- Susan |
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