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RusH wrote:
http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/c...5/dfi855-1.htm this one has AGP and P-M has huge potential, beating A64 4000 few times. Overclocked to 2.55GHz (with a 2.0GHz P-M). You can buy an Athon64, socket 939 with 2.6GHz nominal frequency, the FX-55, and that's still a .13µ process. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/ |
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RusH wrote:
Rob Stow wrote: In the section you snipped you missed the part about wanting an ATX motherboard. The AOpen one is just another one of those less-than-full-featured micros. Only 2 DIMM slots and only 3 PCI slots just doesn't cut it - particularly when it costs twice as much as a full-featured ATX board. A lot of people - but not me - would also be disappointed by no AGP 3.0. http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/c...5/dfi855-1.htm RusH, you can read French too? :-) this one has AGP http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/7575 "Designed with versatility in mind, the 855GME-MGF is based on the standard micro ATX form factor and features support for low latency DDR333 memory and AGP 4X." It seems Rob wants an ATX form factor ;-) and P-M has huge potential, beating A64 4000 few times. Dothan's FPUs are weak as far as SPECfp2000 is concerned. Dothan 2.0 GHz 32+32 KB L1 2 MB L2 Opteron 2.4 GHz 64+64 KB L1 1 MB L2 Prescott 3.4 GHz ~16+16 KB L1 1 MB L2 SPECint2000 http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...614-03081.html http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...503-03003.html http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...406-02961.html SPECfp2000 http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...614-03080.html http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...503-02998.html http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...406-02962.html Execution time, in seconds: Dothan Opteron Prescott 164.gzip 120 105 124 175.vpr 106 105 142 176.gcc 63.5 62.2 60.5 181.mcf 141 138 144 186.crafty 64.8 58.3 79.5 197.parser 133 120 137 252.eon 68.8 50.1 65.7 253.perlbmk 112 108 101 254.gap 74.6 64.9 61.0 255.vortex 80.9 80.4 74.4 256.bzip2 129 116 137 300.twolf 147 167 185 ------------------------------------------- SPECint2000 1541 1655 1491 SPECfp2000 1088 1644 1485 -- Regards, Grumble |
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RusH wrote:
Rob Stow wrote: In the section you snipped you missed the part about wanting an ATX motherboard. The AOpen one is just another one of those less-than-full-featured micros. Only 2 DIMM slots and only 3 PCI slots just doesn't cut it - particularly when it costs twice as much as a full-featured ATX board. A lot of people - but not me - would also be disappointed by no AGP 3.0. http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/c...5/dfi855-1.htm "[...] 2 slots DDR-SDRAM, 1 port AGP 4x, 1 port PCI-X et 2 ports PCI standard. Les ports DDR peuvent supporter de la DDR333 au maximum officiellement. Les ports PCI sont au standard habituel (32 bits, 33 MHz) et le port PCI-X peut fonctionner jusqu'à 66 MHz sur 64 bits." -- Regards, Grumble |
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Grumble wrote:
RusH wrote: Rob Stow wrote: In the section you snipped you missed the part about wanting an ATX motherboard. The AOpen one is just another one of those less-than-full-featured micros. Only 2 DIMM slots and only 3 PCI slots just doesn't cut it - particularly when it costs twice as much as a full-featured ATX board. A lot of people - but not me - would also be disappointed by no AGP 3.0. http://www.x86-secret.com/articles/c...5/dfi855-1.htm RusH, you can read French too? :-) this one has AGP http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/7575 "Designed with versatility in mind, the 855GME-MGF is based on the standard micro ATX form factor and features support for low latency DDR333 memory and AGP 4X." It seems Rob wants an ATX form factor ;-) What "Rob wants" are more DIMM slots and at least four PCI slots - preferably five so I have a spare slot if I ever need it. If someone can squeeze what I need onto a mATX board that is fine with me. However, I could be very forgiving in the case of this board. I *love* the PCI-X slot I saw in the photos. Like most motherboards manufacturers, DFI still has not begun to take SATA seriously and provides very few SATA ports and essentially no SATA RAID capability. That PCI-X slot would be perfect for a SATA RAID card. The other two PCI slots would be for a sound card and a video capture card - which means I'd have to switch to one of those external modems that I hate so much. That effectively drives up the price of the motherboard by $60 (Canadian) because I wouldn't be able to reuse my existing PCI modem. -- BOYCOTT GOOGLE ! Partners in crime with the scum that rules China. For more info search for "Google China Censor Searches". http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=op&ei=UTF-8&prev_vm=p&fr=fp-top&va=google+china+censor+searches&va_vt= any&vp=&vp_vt=any&vo=&vo_vt=any&am p;ve=&ve_vt=any&vd=m3&vst=0&vs=&am p;vf=html&vm=i&vc=&fl=1&vl=lang_en &n=10" Google's side of the story: http://www.google.com/googleblog/200...inclusion.html |
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Rob Stow wrote:
What "Rob wants" are more DIMM slots and at least four PCI slots - preferably five so I have a spare slot if I ever need it. If someone can squeeze what I need onto a mATX board that is fine with me. However, I could be very forgiving in the case of this board. I *love* the PCI-X slot I saw in the photos. Like most motherboards manufacturers, DFI still has not begun to take SATA seriously and provides very few SATA ports and essentially no SATA RAID capability. That PCI-X slot would be perfect for a SATA RAID card. I thought the Intel 6300ESB southbridge supported SATA? The other two PCI slots would be for a sound card and a video capture card - which means I'd have to switch to one of those external modems that I hate so much. That effectively drives up the price of the motherboard by $60 (Canadian) because I wouldn't be able to reuse my existing PCI modem. You don't like the integrated Realtek ALC655? -- Regards, Grumble |
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Grumble wrote:
Rob Stow wrote: What "Rob wants" are more DIMM slots and at least four PCI slots - preferably five so I have a spare slot if I ever need it. If someone can squeeze what I need onto a mATX board that is fine with me. However, I could be very forgiving in the case of this board. I *love* the PCI-X slot I saw in the photos. Like most motherboards manufacturers, DFI still has not begun to take SATA seriously and provides very few SATA ports and essentially no SATA RAID capability. That PCI-X slot would be perfect for a SATA RAID card. I thought the Intel 6300ESB southbridge supported SATA? The other two PCI slots would be for a sound card and a video capture card - which means I'd have to switch to one of those external modems that I hate so much. That effectively drives up the price of the motherboard by $60 (Canadian) because I wouldn't be able to reuse my existing PCI modem. You don't like the integrated Realtek ALC655? No. I want my Audigy 2. Most integrated sound works adequately for playback, but poorly for recording. And I have noticed in the past that CPU usage is a *lot* higher when using integrated sound for recording compared to using something like an Audigy. In another year it won't matter - by then I should be finally finished copying all of my LPs and 45s into digital storage. -- BOYCOTT GOOGLE ! Partners in crime with the scum that rules China. For more info search for "Google China Censor Searches". http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=op&ei=UTF-8&prev_vm=p&fr=fp-top&va=google+china+censor+searches&va_vt= any&vp=&vp_vt=any&vo=&vo_vt=any&am p;ve=&ve_vt=any&vd=m3&vst=0&vs=&am p;vf=html&vm=i&vc=&fl=1&vl=lang_en &n=10" Google's side of the story: http://www.google.com/googleblog/200...inclusion.html |
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Grumble wrote:
Rob Stow wrote: What "Rob wants" are more DIMM slots and at least four PCI slots - preferably five so I have a spare slot if I ever need it. If someone can squeeze what I need onto a mATX board that is fine with me. However, I could be very forgiving in the case of this board. I *love* the PCI-X slot I saw in the photos. Like most motherboards manufacturers, DFI still has not begun to take SATA seriously and provides very few SATA ports and essentially no SATA RAID capability. That PCI-X slot would be perfect for a SATA RAID card. I thought the Intel 6300ESB southbridge supported SATA? It does, but 1.) Only two ports. I'd like 6 at a minimum just for hard drives, and preferrably a few more so that I can eventually upgrade my optical drives from IDE to SATA. 2.) The only RAID option with two ports is mirroring. (By definition simple striping is *not* RAID since there is no redundancy.) 3.) I couldn't see any SATA ports in the pictures at the link provided. That might be only because the pictures were low-res and quite dark. -- BOYCOTT GOOGLE ! Partners in crime with the scum that rules China. For more info search for "Google China Censor Searches". http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=op&ei=UTF-8&prev_vm=p&fr=fp-top&va=google+china+censor+searches&va_vt= any&vp=&vp_vt=any&vo=&vo_vt=any&am p;ve=&ve_vt=any&vd=m3&vst=0&vs=&am p;vf=html&vm=i&vc=&fl=1&vl=lang_en &n=10" Google's side of the story: http://www.google.com/googleblog/200...inclusion.html |
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Rob Stow wrote :
The other two PCI slots would be for a sound card and a video capture card - which means I'd have to switch to one of those external modems that I hate so much. That effectively drives up the price of the motherboard by $60 (Canadian) because I wouldn't be able to reuse my existing PCI modem. modem ? are you even serious ? This board goes for ~$800. As far as PCI slot are concerned you can always snap in PCI riser card and have as many PCI slots as you like. Pozdrawiam. -- RusH // http://randki.o2.pl/profil.php?id_r=352019 Like ninjas, true hackers are shrouded in secrecy and mystery. You may never know -- UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE. |
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RusH wrote:
Rob Stow wrote : The other two PCI slots would be for a sound card and a video capture card - which means I'd have to switch to one of those external modems that I hate so much. That effectively drives up the price of the motherboard by $60 (Canadian) because I wouldn't be able to reuse my existing PCI modem. modem ? are you even serious ? You bet. Not for internet access, but for things like phone dialing, message taking, caller-ID, logging, etc. And I'm searching for an app I can afford that will give features like auto-answer/reply based on caller-ID. (Eg., automatically tell 1-800 numbers to shove their telemarketing, surveys, etc where the sun doesn't shine. With a white-list for exceptions, of course.) This board goes for ~$800. A ridiculous price considering how cripped it is compared to what you get on most motherboards. For $800 people should be getting board+cpu+cooling, with a more PCI slots, DIMM slots, and SATA ports. I'm sure most people would also be expecting either AGP 3.0 or PCI-E at that price. When it costs six times as much as a full-featured P4 or Athlon64 ATX board, you expect it to have more features, not less. As far as PCI slot are concerned you can always snap in PCI riser card and have as many PCI slots as you like. Yup. And now you have to hack away at the back of the case because the cards are perpendicular to the slots in the case instead of lining up nicely with them. Still, its something I'll consider with the AOpen board (priced at a more reasonable but still expensive $260). -- BOYCOTT GOOGLE ! Partners in crime with the scum that rules China. For more info search for "Google China Censor Searches". http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=op&ei=UTF-8&prev_vm=p&fr=fp-top&va=google+china+censor+searches&va_vt= any&vp=&vp_vt=any&vo=&vo_vt=any&am p;ve=&ve_vt=any&vd=m3&vst=0&vs=&am p;vf=html&vm=i&vc=&fl=1&vl=lang_en &n=10" Google's side of the story: http://www.google.com/googleblog/200...inclusion.html |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:58:38 GMT, Rob Stow wrote:
Grumble wrote: Rob Stow wrote: What "Rob wants" are more DIMM slots and at least four PCI slots - preferably five so I have a spare slot if I ever need it. If someone can squeeze what I need onto a mATX board that is fine with me. However, I could be very forgiving in the case of this board. I *love* the PCI-X slot I saw in the photos. Like most motherboards manufacturers, DFI still has not begun to take SATA seriously and provides very few SATA ports and essentially no SATA RAID capability. That PCI-X slot would be perfect for a SATA RAID card. I thought the Intel 6300ESB southbridge supported SATA? It does, but 1.) Only two ports. I'd like 6 at a minimum just for hard drives, and preferrably a few more so that I can eventually upgrade my optical drives from IDE to SATA. 2.) The only RAID option with two ports is mirroring. (By definition simple striping is *not* RAID since there is no redundancy.) 3.) I couldn't see any SATA ports in the pictures at the link provided. That might be only because the pictures were low-res and quite dark. Yes there are two SATA ports -- black connectors -- right next to the IDE connectors. You can see them on a photo on the 2nd page of the article. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
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