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Old June 6th 04, 12:22 AM
Ted K
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A7N8X-E Deluxe w/ Antec Sonata case w/ AMD XP2500, two hard drives and
MS XP, about ready to go. Expect to light it up (figureatively
speaking, I hope!) tomorrow or the next day.

My old system has my data files stored on a second hard drive. I
bought an external usb drive enclosure that I plan to use with my old
data hard drive to transfer my files to the new system.

The old system is MS 98SE. Is there any preparation of the old drive
vis-a-vis its temporary removal and use as an external drive on my new
system for the sole purpose of getting my data files transferred? The
format on both systems is FAT 32.

I should point out that I am not very experienced in building a
computer. I did one in 1998 (FIC 2013 MB w/ a plain vanilla case). I
went live with it without a problem. The Asus MB and Sonata case
almost drove me up a wall, but I'm pretty sure that I have everything
wired up OK.

I hope that my idea of using the external drive enclosure will work.
I just want to be sure that there isn't some step that I'm
overlooking..

If I am screwing up with this approach, is there a simple way to
accomplish that data transfer?

TIA
Ted
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Old June 6th 04, 12:32 AM
D
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Why are you using Fat32 and not Ntfs?
Ensure yr sys is running ok, before connecting any externals.

"Ted K" wrote in message
...
A7N8X-E Deluxe w/ Antec Sonata case w/ AMD XP2500, two hard drives and
MS XP, about ready to go. Expect to light it up (figureatively
speaking, I hope!) tomorrow or the next day.

My old system has my data files stored on a second hard drive. I
bought an external usb drive enclosure that I plan to use with my old
data hard drive to transfer my files to the new system.

The old system is MS 98SE. Is there any preparation of the old drive
vis-a-vis its temporary removal and use as an external drive on my new
system for the sole purpose of getting my data files transferred? The
format on both systems is FAT 32.

I should point out that I am not very experienced in building a
computer. I did one in 1998 (FIC 2013 MB w/ a plain vanilla case). I
went live with it without a problem. The Asus MB and Sonata case
almost drove me up a wall, but I'm pretty sure that I have everything
wired up OK.

I hope that my idea of using the external drive enclosure will work.
I just want to be sure that there isn't some step that I'm
overlooking..

If I am screwing up with this approach, is there a simple way to
accomplish that data transfer?

TIA
Ted



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Old June 6th 04, 04:09 AM
Ted K
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:32:28 +0100, "D" wrote:

Why are you using Fat32 and not Ntfs?


Win XP Pro "Start Here" brochure -
"Use FAT 32 if your hard drive is smalller than 32 GB." [I have two
30 GB drives.]
"Use FAT 32 if you want to install more than one operating system on
your computer." [I may want to install Win98SE also.]
"Use NTFS if: your hard drive is larger than 32GB AND you are running
only opne operating system on your computer, and want enhanced file
security, and you need better disk compression."

Ensure yr sys is running ok, before connecting any externals.


Oh yes, I plan to do that even before I install the optical drives
and then the OS.

I take it you know of no problems in just removing my data HDD from
the old system, putting it in the USB external drive case, then just
drag and drop my data files to their new home?





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Old June 6th 04, 04:30 AM
TomC
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You really should set up your new hard drive using your XP installation CD
and use NTFS, not FAT32, it is far more stable. Let XP handle the
partitioning and formatting.

It is not clear to me how many drives you are talking about. Your old system
has a "second" hard drive, so it sounds like it has two drives. Your new
system has two hard drives, but one might be one of the old drives. What you
have written could be interpreted to mean that you have a total of two, or
three, or four hard drives in the two computers. The below assumes two
drives total.

I do not understand why you would use a (slow) external usb drive enclosure
to transfer the files from your old hard disk. It's an IDE drive, right? Is
transferring your old files something that will happen only once, or are you
planning to continue to use your old drive as a removable drive? Assusming
you mean the former, after you have XP installed on your new drive C, shut
down the computer and connect your 98SE drive as either master or slave on
the secondary IDE channel. XP will tell you to reboot after it detects the
old drive. Do so and transfer your files. Shut down the computer, disconnect
the old drive, and reconnect whatever needs to be reconnected. That's it. If
you plan to use the old drive inside the new system, after you transfer all
data from the old drive, go to Control Panel Computer Management Disk
Management, delete all current partitions on the old drive, create new
partitions, and format the old drive into one or more NTFS partitions.

I'm not sure that answers your question.

TomC


"Ted K" wrote in message
...
A7N8X-E Deluxe w/ Antec Sonata case w/ AMD XP2500, two hard drives and
MS XP, about ready to go. Expect to light it up (figureatively
speaking, I hope!) tomorrow or the next day.

My old system has my data files stored on a second hard drive. I
bought an external usb drive enclosure that I plan to use with my old
data hard drive to transfer my files to the new system.

The old system is MS 98SE. Is there any preparation of the old drive
vis-a-vis its temporary removal and use as an external drive on my new
system for the sole purpose of getting my data files transferred? The
format on both systems is FAT 32.

I should point out that I am not very experienced in building a
computer. I did one in 1998 (FIC 2013 MB w/ a plain vanilla case). I
went live with it without a problem. The Asus MB and Sonata case
almost drove me up a wall, but I'm pretty sure that I have everything
wired up OK.

I hope that my idea of using the external drive enclosure will work.
I just want to be sure that there isn't some step that I'm
overlooking..

If I am screwing up with this approach, is there a simple way to
accomplish that data transfer?

TIA
Ted



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Old June 6th 04, 06:32 AM
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Ted,

Just to make sure things are clear for you:

If you have a disc drive that you can partition anew then do the full XP
install onto that partition using the partition / format abilities in XP
setup without any other disc drives present - this includes slave drives and
drives on secondary channels as well as any that you might want on USB or
other external connections. Why? If you have more than one drive present, it
is easy to inadvertantly get your Boot partition in one place, your system
partition in another and all your drive letters out of kilter. This is so
easy to do it is absurd!

As others have said, use NTFS only.

Do not have any Smart card readers connected in any way at all (if you havbe
any). That means disconnect them internally from the motherboard and PSU.

So, bung in XP, install motherboard and other drives, then install SP1 (if
its not already in). Do this before connecting to the internet if at all
possible. Ideally keep the internet disconnected until the system is patched
has AV and Spyware and firewall working.

Then test the new system thoroughly followed by a progressive add back in of
you old disc drives.

HTH
- Tim





"Ted K" wrote in message
...
A7N8X-E Deluxe w/ Antec Sonata case w/ AMD XP2500, two hard drives and
MS XP, about ready to go. Expect to light it up (figureatively
speaking, I hope!) tomorrow or the next day.

My old system has my data files stored on a second hard drive. I
bought an external usb drive enclosure that I plan to use with my old
data hard drive to transfer my files to the new system.

The old system is MS 98SE. Is there any preparation of the old drive
vis-a-vis its temporary removal and use as an external drive on my new
system for the sole purpose of getting my data files transferred? The
format on both systems is FAT 32.

I should point out that I am not very experienced in building a
computer. I did one in 1998 (FIC 2013 MB w/ a plain vanilla case). I
went live with it without a problem. The Asus MB and Sonata case
almost drove me up a wall, but I'm pretty sure that I have everything
wired up OK.

I hope that my idea of using the external drive enclosure will work.
I just want to be sure that there isn't some step that I'm
overlooking..

If I am screwing up with this approach, is there a simple way to
accomplish that data transfer?

TIA
Ted



  #6  
Old June 6th 04, 11:38 PM
Ted K
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:30:51 GMT, "TomC" wrote:

You really should set up your new hard drive using your XP installation CD
and use NTFS, not FAT32, it is far more stable. Let XP handle the
partitioning and formatting.

I had in mind putting a second OS on the new computer. Your (and
Tim's, following msg) comments have convinced me NTFS is the way to
go. I can keep my old systems if I choose to play with Linux, e.g.

It is not clear to me how many drives you are talking about.

There are four dirvies. All my data files are on the second drive on
my old system


I do not understand why you would use a (slow) external usb drive enclosure
to transfer the files from your old hard disk. It's an IDE drive, right?

Yes, all drives are IDE. Why the ext usb drive? I got suckered into
it by my lack of experinece. I now realized that simply installing
the old data drive (after I'm satisfied the new system is running with
one drive and XP installed, is the way to go.

Is transferring your old files something that will happen only once, or are you
planning to continue to use your old drive as a removable drive?

Yes, only once. I though it would be useful to have a "removable"
drive but your comment about speed of transfers raises a question in
my mind about that.

Assuming you mean the former, after you have XP installed on your new drive C, shut
down the computer and connect your 98SE drive as either master or slave on
the secondary IDE channel. XP will tell you to reboot after it detects the
old drive. Do so and transfer your files. Shut down the computer, disconnect
the old drive, and reconnect whatever needs to be reconnected. That's it.

I got it.

If you plan to use the old drive inside the new system,

Nope the old data drive goes into the old system.

snip

I'm not sure that answers your question.

Thanks, Tom, very information and helpful.

Ted

TomC


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Old June 7th 04, 12:03 AM
Ted K
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:32:45 +1200, "Tim" wrote:

Ted,

Just to make sure things are clear for you:

If you have a disc drive that you can partition anew then do the full XP
install onto that partition using the partition / format abilities in XP
setup without any other disc drives present - this includes slave drives and
drives on secondary channels as well as any that you might want on USB or
other external connections. Why? If you have more than one drive present, it
is easy to inadvertantly get your Boot partition in one place, your system
partition in another and all your drive letters out of kilter. This is so
easy to do it is absurd!


That makes sense to me; I will follow your advice.

As others have said, use NTFS only.


I am now convinced that that is the way to go.

Do not have any Smart card readers connected in any way at all (if you havbe
any). That means disconnect them internally from the motherboard and PSU.


Got that. I was not going to install a cd-rom until I had checked out
the system with just the floppy and one hard drive. It sounds to me
as if I should initially install the cd-rom too. Do you agree?

So, bung in XP, install motherboard and other drives, then install SP1 (if
its not already in).


I just checked out my XP Pro disk and was happy to see that it
incorporates SP1. I am happy to see that since I am on a 56K modem
for the internet.

Do this before connecting to the internet if at all
possible. Ideally keep the internet disconnected until the system is patched
has AV and Spyware and firewall working.


One of the first things I plan to do.

Then test the new system thoroughly followed by a progressive add back in of
you old disc drives.


Test the new system -- OK, but what do you mean by the
"progressive..." phrase?

Tim, thanks loads for your help, your reply (and TomC's above) has
made a big impact on my finsishing this task.

HTH
- Tim





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Old June 7th 04, 06:25 AM
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I though it would be useful to have a "removable"
drive but your comment about speed of transfers raises a question in
my mind about that.


USB 1.x means slow. USB 2.x can be quite fast. You have the components, try
it out. (To me, USB without "2.x" after it has meant "USB 1.x," but I guess
I should update that.)

Removable does not necessarily mean slow. There are inexpensive removable
IDE drive bays available if your USB enclosure doesn't work out.


TomC


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Old June 7th 04, 06:52 PM
Ted K
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 05:25:28 GMT, "TomC" wrote:

I though it would be useful to have a "removable"
drive but your comment about speed of transfers raises a question in
my mind about that.


USB 1.x means slow. USB 2.x can be quite fast. You have the components, try
it out. (To me, USB without "2.x" after it has meant "USB 1.x," but I guess
I should update that.)

I should have said USB 2 for new sysem

Removable does not necessarily mean slow. There are inexpensive removable
IDE drive bays available if your USB enclosure doesn't work out.


My new Maxtor drives have transfer rate of 133 MB/sec. The external
drive enclosure is USB 2. I understand the latter transfer rate is
480 MB/sec. If this is "apples v. apples" then using it with my old
data drive to transfer my data to the new system should, it seems to
me, to be no difference compared to the alternative of installing the
"old" data hard drive in the new system as a temporary slave drive for
the sole purpose of moving my data from it to the new drive. Is that
correct?

Final question - if I use NTSF in the new system and the old drive is
FAT32, can the data be transferred without any other steps?
Originally I was going to use FAT32 on the new system, so that issue
was never considered. Comment?



TomC


 




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