What's the best free disk defragger, not in Windows, for NTFS andFAT drives/partitions?

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Rod Speed wrote
Meat Eaters are Sinners - Repent! wrote

No more than those who rip the sexual organs off plants and munch on them.

Rod Speed wrote

There are plenty who cant grasp that defragging most modern systems is pointless.

Do you play computer games at all?

Yes.

I ask because I have seen people claim their load times for
games has decreased after a defrag. What say you to that?

Bet they wouldnt be able to pick it in a double blind trial.

Defragging has it's place.

Nope, not with most modern systems anymore.

I tend to do it when ever I tidy my office, ie every few months

I'm not stupid enough to tidy the office either.

and not every week.

I'm not stupid enough to do it every few months either.

Rod Speed wrote
There are plenty who cant grasp that defragging most modern systems is pointless.

Note: Rod is filtered out by most group regulars. No need to deal with
his nonsense.
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Bet they wouldnt be able to pick it in a double blind trial.


The one person on the web forum said they actually measured the difference
before and after defrag so kind of hard to argue with that claim unless they
were lying.

Don Lope de Aguirre wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Bet they wouldnt be able to pick it in a double blind trial.

The one person on the web forum said they actually measured the
difference before and after defrag so kind of hard to argue with that
claim unless they were lying.

Nope, the other fundamental question is whether the measured
difference is noticeable. If it isnt, its not worth worrying about.

Don Lope de Aguirre wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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There is no point in furiously defragging anymore.

How about defragging once a month at least? If it is now useless then
why does both Vista and Win7 have tasks auto set to defrag once per
week? It seems that Microsoft disagrees with you.

"Microsoft disagrees with you" is as good an argument as "Kermit the
Frog disagrees with you". There are so many bad choices for defaults in
Windows that this is absolutely no indication that defragging is useful
in general, or useful on a regular basis.

There are occasional situations where defragging on windows is a good
idea, and it can therefore be useful to have a defragger around. But it
only makes sense to use it when you really need it (for example, to
compact a file system before shrinking a disk partition).

Other operating systems (Macs, Linux, BSD, AIX, Solaris, various other
*nixes, etc.) either don't have any file system defragmentation tools at
all, or provide them only for occasional usage. Given that writing a
defragmenter is not that hard (especially when the file system provides
appropriate support), the obvious conclusion is that there is no good
technical reason for defragmenting in general use of these systems.

With Windows, the file systems suffer more from fragmentation due to
Windows stunningly bad allocation algorithms, but even there
fragmentation is not typically a problem.

David Brown wrote:

"Microsoft disagrees with you" is as good an argument as "Kermit the
Frog disagrees with you". There are so many bad choices for defaults in
Windows that this is absolutely no indication that defragging is useful
in general, or useful on a regular basis.

But Microsoft is not Kermit the frog and have many very smart people
working for them so I think it might be prudent to give them some
credibility instead of discounting them without understanding why they
have it set to auto defrag once per week. My guess is they do that
because to do it once a week means it is far quicker to keep the HDDs
defragged than doing it once every few months.

Rod Speed wrote:


Nope, the other fundamental question is whether the measured
difference is noticeable. If it isnt, its not worth worrying about.



Whether you notice or not is beside the point because the benefit is
there and is measurable regardless of if you notice it or not. I can't
tell if my game is running at 24fps or 30fps but knowing it is running
at 30fps is preferable.

Cronos wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Nope, the other fundamental question is whether the measured
difference is noticeable. If it isnt, its not worth worrying about.

Whether you notice or not is beside the point

Like hell if is. If you cant see any difference, there isnt any point in defragging.

because the benefit is there and is measurable regardless of if you notice it or not.

Mindlessly silly.

I can't tell if my game is running at 24fps or 30fps but knowing it is running at 30fps is preferable.

Even sillier.

David Brown wrote:
Don Lope de Aguirre wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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There is no point in furiously defragging anymore.

How about defragging once a month at least? If it is now useless then
why does both Vista and Win7 have tasks auto set to defrag once per
week? It seems that Microsoft disagrees with you.

"Microsoft disagrees with you" is as good an argument as "Kermit the
Frog disagrees with you". There are so many bad choices for defaults in
Windows that this is absolutely no indication that defragging is useful
in general, or useful on a regular basis.

They seem to have taken over from IBM in this regard. IBM's defaults
were very often the least usable alternative. MS's seem to be the most
annoying alternative.

Jerry

Cronos wrote:
David Brown wrote:

"Microsoft disagrees with you" is as good an argument as "Kermit the
Frog disagrees with you". There are so many bad choices for defaults in
Windows that this is absolutely no indication that defragging is useful
in general, or useful on a regular basis.

But Microsoft is not Kermit the frog and have many very smart people
working for them so I think it might be prudent to give them some
credibility instead of discounting them without understanding why they
have it set to auto defrag once per week. My guess is they do that
because to do it once a week means it is far quicker to keep the HDDs
defragged than doing it once every few months.

Smart people? You certainly wouldn't know it looking at Windows.

Sorry, but appeals to authority will only get you so far. Evidence
would be a lot better.

Jerry