Plextor compatibililty problem?

Hello!

My old 4-years old Sony (4x) burner died earlier this week so I bought a
brand new Plexwriter 48/24/48A on recommendation from several sources.

It came with Nero 5.5.9.8 so I installed that too (had an earlier version
previously).

I have successfully burned many (hundreds) of CD's with my old Sony and they
have without fail played back on the same computers CD/DVD drive as well as
on my DivX compatible DVD player (KISS 450) and my laptop (IBM T40).

Now - with the discs recorded using the Plexwriter they will NOT play on my
CD/DVD drive nor on my DVD player.
The discs just sit in the drive and goes click, click, click... They play
back just fine on the Plexwriter itself as well as on my laptop (combined
DVD/CDRW drive).

I have recorded at 24x, on 700MB discs (Verbatim CD-R). I never had a
problem with 700MB before so I don't think that is the problem. Verbatim
discs are supposed to be decent discs.

Is this perhaps a "mode" problem or should I try recording at less than 24x
??


Any help would much appreciated!

--

Mats Karlsson

The thing to remember here is that audio copies only work by virtue of loose
tolerances in the specifications of the CD format. CD was never intended to
read the very 'weak' data pattern burned into a CDR and while we audio
enthusiasts are grateful that it does so, we should not forget that it only
does so by stretching those tolerances. It is therefore essential to provide
the best possible data pattern burned into the disc to give the player every
opportunity to read it.

For every combination of disc and writer, there will be an optimum speed.
That speed might be 48X, or 24X or even 2X. You need to experiment with
different speeds to find the speed that works best with those discs, or
choose discs which others have used with a similar writer and found to work
well at higher speeds.

As your older writer worked at 4X, try those particular discs at a 4X write
speed and work up from there.

As for software, Nero is excellent for data, but for audio there are better
choices.
As you now have a Plextor drive, you could use the excellent Plextools, or
you could use Exact Audio Copy (both linked from my web site at
http://www.gmayor.dsl.pipex.com/favorite.htm) - and I am sure others will
recommend Feurio. But it is not the software that is the immediate problem.

--

Graham Mayor




Mats Karlsson wrote:
Hello!

My old 4-years old Sony (4x) burner died earlier this week so I
bought a brand new Plexwriter 48/24/48A on recommendation from
several sources.

It came with Nero 5.5.9.8 so I installed that too (had an earlier
version previously).

I have successfully burned many (hundreds) of CD's with my old Sony
and they have without fail played back on the same computers CD/DVD
drive as well as on my DivX compatible DVD player (KISS 450) and my
laptop (IBM T40).

Now - with the discs recorded using the Plexwriter they will NOT play
on my CD/DVD drive nor on my DVD player.
The discs just sit in the drive and goes click, click, click... They
play back just fine on the Plexwriter itself as well as on my laptop
(combined DVD/CDRW drive).

I have recorded at 24x, on 700MB discs (Verbatim CD-R). I never had a
problem with 700MB before so I don't think that is the problem.
Verbatim discs are supposed to be decent discs.

Is this perhaps a "mode" problem or should I try recording at less
than 24x ??


Any help would much appreciated!

Thank you for the suggestions.

I have now tried burning at 4X but the result was the same.

I should say that it is a movie file (***.avi), not audio and that I burn it
in "no multisession" - I guess that is correct?

When I put the recorded disc in the DVD/CD drive, the file name comes up in
explorer but it is not possible to view properties or play. After a while,
an error message comes up saying "no disc in drive" or something to that
effect.

Strange... I guess the next step is to try different media.

--

Mats Karlsson

Hmmm ... video is not my forte - however given that the discs work in a
writer but not a reader - have you closed them? If you burn 'no
multisession' there's an option on the burn dialog to finalize the disc.

--

Graham Mayor





Mats Karlsson wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions.

I have now tried burning at 4X but the result was the same.

I should say that it is a movie file (***.avi), not audio and that I
burn it in "no multisession" - I guess that is correct?

When I put the recorded disc in the DVD/CD drive, the file name comes
up in explorer but it is not possible to view properties or play.
After a while, an error message comes up saying "no disc in drive" or
something to that effect.

Strange... I guess the next step is to try different media.

Good point, but yes, I have closed them.

I will try later today with different brand of media.

Incidentally, as a test, I burned a disc full of mp3's as an Audio Disc
(using Nero). That disc played back without any problem on my stationary
Sony CD player but misbehaved on the PC's internal DVD/CD player. The first
track started just fine but when I tried to jump to song #12, it got stuck.

--

Mats Karlsson

Use only the media recommended by Plextor.
See the Plextor web site for a list of specific media part numbers.

I just purchased the same CD-RW drive, but it came with Roxio Easy CD, not
Nero.
However, I also purchased Nero and it works fine with the Plextor drive.
But I only do data, not audio.

--
http://www.standards.com/; Howard Kaikow's web site.
------------------------------------------------
"Mats Karlsson" wrote in message
...
Good point, but yes, I have closed them.

I will try later today with different brand of media.

Incidentally, as a test, I burned a disc full of mp3's as an Audio Disc
(using Nero). That disc played back without any problem on my stationary
Sony CD player but misbehaved on the PC's internal DVD/CD player. The
first
track started just fine but when I tried to jump to song #12, it got
stuck.

--

Mats Karlsson

Well I may have found the problem now.

I tried using a different brand of discs - Fujifilm Silver Disk / 700MB /
CD-R - and now the first test disc I have made works 100% fine on all my
various CD/DVD drives. I recorded it at 24x.

So it is possibly a bad choice of disc, the Verbatim Datalife 700MB CD-R
discs, at least for my Plexwriter 48/24/48A.

Interesting experience....


Mats

Is the thread and time for this from Ziff Davis(*):

"While testing four new 52x CD burners=97the fastest CD drives ever, we u=
ncovered an interesting
feature. Plextor's latest includes a new type of built in compression. Th=
e drive actually burns smaller pits, thus getting about 30% more data on =
a CD-R. Sounds neat, but there are drawbacks, including incompatibility. =
Find out about the revolutionary new GigaRec technology, along with a dri=
ve that'll burn a CD in just 2 minutes and 24 seconds in our CD-burner Sh=
oot-Out!"

(*)http://www.ziffdavis.com/


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wrote:
I'm certainly not an expert as many of you are, but in the last 3
years I've burned probably 200 CDs, mostly restoring my collection of
old LPs and cassetes. I've made about a half-dozen coasters and know
it was my lack of attention to technique that was at fault each time,
e.g., forgetting to run EndItAll to kill most applications, etc. I've
burned at 4X and 16X and can't tell any difference on my main audio
system.

I used to have very sensitive ears with a range of 40-18K, now the
range seems to be primarily 10K-12K (pun) and is mostly 5K square
wave ringing. (Lots of odd harmonics.) Making sure you aren't trying
to use every byte on the CD is of great importance it seems from my
experience too. Even with the same media if I try to stuff it full,
~699M, on a 700M CD can have unpredictable results.


To be honest, i found out about this C2 errors only recently and then i
tested several CDR's, recorder with my 40125 and it turned out that many
(most) OF THEM HAD C2 errors. Also after that i tested brand new burned and
they also had C2 errors. But still i did make many succesful CDR's with my
Liteon and all of them (well, most of them) still work.
I agree about edge filling - very end of disc can easily become scratchy and
as such loose data.

wrote:
Is the thread and time for this from Ziff Davis(*):

"While testing four new 52x CD burners-the fastest CD drives ever, we
uncovered an interesting
feature. Plextor's latest includes a new type of built in
compression. The drive actually burns smaller pits, thus getting
about 30% more data on a CD-R. Sounds neat, but there are drawbacks,
including incompatibility. Find out about the revolutionary new
GigaRec technology, along with a drive that'll burn a CD in just 2
minutes and 24 seconds in our CD-burner Shoot-Out!"

(*)http://www.ziffdavis.com/




Nope. I tested SmartBuy media by myself and that are my results.
About GigaRec: I tested this, too. You can put up to 40% more data on it -
that is around 960M on 700M dics (or 1,2G on 99 min disc). Also you can put
up to 112 mins of mucis. You hav eoption to set 10%, 20%, 30% and 40% more
data.
From my tests, 40% more doesn't play in any CD player i tested, data (and
also audio) is read in my CD ROM drive (it takes a minute to recognize CD,
though), while DVD Drive from Creative doesnt' read it at all. However, at
30% setting all available cd players read it fine (you squeeeze 105 minutes
of music ) also DVD reads it. I don't know about how long will it last
yet...
Other feature is also Securec, with it you can make password protected CD's.
Such CD's are read in ANY drive aslong you have Securec reader installed adn
you know password.