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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
~AlicGinnis~ wrote: didn't amd get ahead of intel by putting memory controllers on their chips and having a bigger onboard cache? then intel did the same thing and hosed them. ATI has been loosing money every quarter since AMD bought them. Hopefully amd has another rabbit in their hat, but it's unlikely. looks like curtains. AMD certainly did. And then AMD decided to go toe-to-toe against Intel in the corporate PC marketplace, dominated by Wintel machines, i.e., Microsoft Windows and Intel boxes. AMD should have carved out the gaming niche and AMD would have dominated it. |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
Dave wrote:
You need to keep in mind that the CPU, as we know it today, will soon be replaced by the GPU. In other words, AMD would have to start producing That is a nice dream but that is all it is. GPU stands for Graphics Processing Unit and CPU stands for Central Processing Unit. GPU's are highly specialized for very specific types of calculations and have no basic Input/Output capabilities (talking with external devices). Even the recent efforts at a supercomputer on the desk are using general purpose CPU's with GPU accelerators. Yes, there are physics accelerators and video transcoder code being transported over to the GPU now and they are able to process those types of operations much, much faster than a CPU. But then, look who is doing that. Nvidia, not ATI. The video transcoder accelerator is coming for the Nvidia GPU very soon. No, the decision to buy ATI at such a huge price just at the time they did, was a very bad move for AMD. It diverted a lot of financing and resources away from their CPU development at the least affordable time for them. It stalled their 65nm fabrication to allow Intel enough time to get their Core 2 Duo out and it has basically shackled them from even getting close to 45nm when Intel has had 45nm Wolfdale out for several months now. Now, Intel is making such a huge profit that they are slashing the price of Wolfdale by 30%. They know this is like chopping off AMD at the knees right after kicking them in the nuts. AMD can't recover from this. They don't have a magic rabbit under a hat to pull out. AMD is shedding assets now like a garage sale. They might not totally collapse but it is a good possiblity it will split apart into AMD and ATI again, to be bought off by other companies. |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
Hopefully amd has another rabbit in their hat, but it's unlikely. looks
like curtains. It isn't that simple. A programming language used by many customers had the same issues, to the point where the company put in its 10-Q how bad the market was and no one wants the product and there is no future for it. What really happened is they were bought by another company and the language is being happily used by many. The suggestion that there will be a big hole, once called AMD, is not reality either. --g |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
"Blig Merk" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: You need to keep in mind that the CPU, as we know it today, will soon be replaced by the GPU. In other words, AMD would have to start producing That is a nice dream but that is all it is. GPU stands for Graphics Processing Unit and CPU stands for Central Processing Unit. GPU's are highly specialized for very specific types of calculations and have no basic Input/Output capabilities (talking with external devices). It's not a dream. Within 10 or 15 years maximum, main internal components will likely be sold as one card, probably called a mainboard. But it will have everything built in. ONE chip on that card, the GPU, will handle CPU and GPU functions. Current GPUs have no basic input/output capabilities. But it would be trivial to add those capabilities to a GPU...especially for a company like AMD, if they were starting with a decent GPU designed by ummmmmmm...ATI, perhaps. The only thing I'm wondering about is, will we be able to upgrade that card by replacing the chip, like we currently can do by replacing the CPU or replacing the video card? Or will we have to replace the whole "mainboard" to upgrade? -Dave |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:42:34 -0400, "Dave" wrote:
| | "Blig Merk" wrote in message | ... | Dave wrote: | You need to keep in mind that the CPU, as we know it today, will soon be | replaced by the GPU. In other words, AMD would have to start producing | | That is a nice dream but that is all it is. GPU stands for Graphics | Processing Unit and CPU stands for Central Processing Unit. GPU's are | highly specialized for very specific types of calculations and have no | basic Input/Output capabilities (talking with external devices). | | It's not a dream. Within 10 or 15 years maximum, main internal components | will likely be sold as one card, probably called a mainboard. But it will | have everything built in. ONE chip on that card, the GPU, will handle CPU | and GPU functions. Current GPUs have no basic input/output capabilities. | But it would be trivial to add those capabilities to a GPU...especially for | a company like AMD, if they were starting with a decent GPU designed by | ummmmmmm...ATI, perhaps. | | The only thing I'm wondering about is, will we be able to upgrade that card | by replacing the chip, like we currently can do by replacing the CPU or | replacing the video card? Or will we have to replace the whole "mainboard" | to upgrade? -Dave It will probably go whichever way there's the most money to be made. My suspicion is there are still a lot of business people unhappy that PCs can be built or significantly altered by the end user. If that Genie hadn't got out of the bottle earlier than anybody really realized what was happening, we'd have no more room to tinker with PCs now than we do with laptops. The more control manufacturers have, the more money they can make. I can definitely see PCs becoming more tightly integrated as these "improvements" are introduced. Larc |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
It will probably go whichever way there's the most money to be made. My suspicion is there are still a lot of business people unhappy that PCs can be built or significantly altered by the end user. If that Genie hadn't got out of the bottle earlier than anybody really realized what was happening, we'd have no more room to tinker with PCs now than we do with laptops. The more control manufacturers have, the more money they can make. I can definitely see PCs becoming more tightly integrated as these "improvements" are introduced. Larc Well if desktops get as integrated as laptops, that won't be all bad. It might lead to some really powerful PCs, cheap. To see what I mean, look at video cards sold today, and over the last few years. When a new video card comes out, it is praised as being really powerful and fast, blah blah blah...and it's typically pretty expensive, relatively speaking. But within a year (sometimes less) that same $200 or $300 video card can be found on sale for like $50 after rebate. And it's no less powerful than it was when it first came out. It's just that it's no longer the fastest thing on the market, so it can't really be sold at a premium price point anymore. But it's still got way more processing power than the vast majority of computer users / builders need. Same thing could happen when desktops get integrated to the point where just about everything (except power supply) is on one card. When a new design comes out, I'm sure you will pay a few hundred bucks for it...or wait until next year and get it practically free after rebate. Only bad thing I see is that you won't be able to customize a PC as much as you can do today. For example, if you really love ATI video solutions but your favorite mainboard brand decides to use nvidia GPU, then you have a choice to make, and you can't get everything you want. Today, if you want an Asus brand mainboard with a ATI video card for example, you can do it. Or you can buy an nvidia video card or a Intel mainboard or.... -Dave |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
Well if desktops get as integrated as laptops, that won't be all bad. It
might lead to some really powerful PCs, cheap. I doubt it, the price/performance ratio of laptops is abysmal. If desktops become like laptops, companies will create marketing levels, want more, pay more. The PC industry is struggling now, if the industry used the integrated approach, it would make their lives that much harder. --g |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
1) Dirk Meyer was and is in charge of production, AMD is where it is
mostly because of Meyer's multiple manufacturing decisions, now he is the CEO,no more excuses. 2) Meyer is an ex-Intel guy,and his buddies in Israel, where Intel manufactures Centrino and others with special circuits ,gates,instructions, etc., always had the idea to put all CPU's world production over there ONLY, they are fanatics,they don't believe in competition like we do in the USA, I DON'T TRUST MEYER AND HIS FRIENDS IN ISRAEL, I SMELL A RAT AS BIG AS THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE. 3) AMD must be under christian control or we will lose the Internet as we know it, because with only Intel,we are all gone.... |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
Well if desktops get as integrated as laptops, that won't be all bad. It
might lead to some really powerful PCs, cheap. It just occurred to me, we have that now, integrated systems, to a certain degree with a MAC. My dad got a MAC, one piece unit except for the keyboard and mouse. I've worked on integrated systems as well, like HP Unix boxes. If the PC industry switched to that then it would drive them out of business for home users pretty much. --g |
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AMD appoints new CEO as losses continue
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:36:48 GMT
"geoff" wrote: Well if desktops get as integrated as laptops, that won't be all bad. It might lead to some really powerful PCs, cheap. I doubt it, the price/performance ratio of laptops is abysmal. You can't compare the two. More than half the cost of a typical laptop is the display. Plus, many components are restricted to save on heat generation and power use. So of course the price/performance ratio of laptops is abysmal compared to desktops, and that wil likely never change. If desktops become like laptops, companies will create marketing levels, want more, pay more. Like video cards today? Like I said before, that's not bad. -Dave |
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